What has Clark done right

[appstatealum]

2020:
Went 9-3
Beat CLT by 15
Beat Stink by 8
Won a Bowl Game

2021:
Won 10 games (5th double figure win season in FBS history). Satt had 3, Drink 1.
Beat ECU
Beat #14 Coastal
Beat Stink
SBC East Division Champs
Made a Bowl (can't win every bowl, bound to lose one)

2022:
Hired Frank Ponce and Scott Sloan back
Beat #6 Texas A M
ESPN COLLEGE GAMEDAY 1st Ever
(Missed FG in Double OT to lose to Stink in Statesboro)

2023:
Beat ECU
Recruited Joey - therefore we have a very fine QB in place of the named starter.


Clark is 2-0 vs ECU
Clark is 1-0 vs CLT
Clark is 1-3 vs P5 teams
Clark is 2-1 vs Stink
Clark has a SBC East Division Title
Clark has beaten 2 teams ranked inside top 15

Yet NO one acknowledges these accomplishments above.

Beating ECU, Charlotte and having a losing record to P5s doesn't really validate your stance. I do like beating Stink, winning a Division title and making national statements like TXAM. But do those outweigh the other failures? I don't know

[DenverOfTheEast]

2020:
Went 9-3
Beat CLT by 15
Beat Stink by 8
Won a Bowl Game

2021:
Won 10 games (5th double figure win season in FBS history). Satt had 3, Drink 1.
Beat ECU
Beat #14 Coastal
Beat Stink
SBC East Division Champs
Made a Bowl (can't win every bowl, bound to lose one)

2022:
Hired Frank Ponce and Scott Sloan back
Beat #6 Texas A M
ESPN COLLEGE GAMEDAY 1st Ever
(Missed FG in Double OT to lose to Stink in Statesboro)

2023:
Beat ECU
Recruited Joey - therefore we have a very fine QB in place of the named starter.


Clark is 2-0 vs ECU
Clark is 1-0 vs CLT
Clark is 1-3 vs P5 teams
Clark is 2-1 vs Stink
Clark has a SBC East Division Title
Clark has beaten 2 teams ranked inside top 15

Yet NO one acknowledges these accomplishments above.

Beating ECU, Charlotte and having a losing record to P5s doesn't really validate your stance. I do like beating Stink, winning a Division title and making national statements like TXAM. But do those outweigh the other failures? I don't know

the thread ask what has he done right and I typed up his accomplishments.....

[canes_mj]

Shawn Clark has saved me money on tickets to games this year and he's freed up the rest of my Saturdays to do some more minor home improvement projects.

I see what he's saying. It's not a popular take but I'd say it's accurate for a lot of people. Apathy, indifference, what's the point. This is year 4;all the hallmark signs are there...it's as clear as day... and that makes App games are a lose/lose situation now...if we actually lose, it sucks to experience an App loss...and every time we pull off a miracle finish to squeak by a bottom feeder, it just prolongs the current state of things. App still has my Yosef and STH money but it's hard to emotionally invest right now.

[appst89]

Hate is not the opposite of love, it is apathy. Apathy will be the death of this program. Right now, there is still passion, or there wouldn't be so many testy threads on this board. But I detect apathy setting in. Apathy is the killer.

[CoachRob]

Shawn Clark has saved me money on tickets to games this year and he's freed up the rest of my Saturdays to do some more minor home improvement projects.

I see what he's saying. It's not a popular take but I'd say it's accurate for a lot of people. Apathy, indifference, what's the point. This is year 4 ;all the hallmark signs are there...this isn't getting better.... and that makes App games are a lose/lose situation now...if we actually lose, it sucks to experience an App loss...and every time we pull off a miracle finish to squeak by a bottom feeder, it continues the decline and slow decay of the program into an even longer period of mediocrity. App still has my Yosef and STH money but it's hard to emotionally invest right now.

No doubt, it's tough to support a losing team as it's easy to support a winning team.
I think the issue is the idea of only supporting the team when it's easy cause of wins. That's what is called being a bandwagon fan.
No doubt adjustments need to be made to finish out this year strong or maybe there needs to be more changes at the end of the year. But to say I'm no longer financially supporting a team based on success is being a weak fan.

[canes_mj]

Shawn Clark has saved me money on tickets to games this year and he's freed up the rest of my Saturdays to do some more minor home improvement projects.

I see what he's saying. It's not a popular take but I'd say it's accurate for a lot of people. Apathy, indifference, what's the point. This is year 4 ;all the hallmark signs are there...this isn't getting better.... and that makes App games are a lose/lose situation now...if we actually lose, it sucks to experience an App loss...and every time we pull off a miracle finish to squeak by a bottom feeder, it continues the decline and slow decay of the program into an even longer period of mediocrity. App still has my Yosef and STH money but it's hard to emotionally invest right now.

No doubt, it's tough to support a losing team as it's easy to support a winning team.
I think the issue is the idea of only supporting the team when it's easy cause of wins. That's what is called being a bandwagon fan.
No doubt adjustments need to be made to finish out this year strong or maybe there needs to be more changes at the end of the year. But to say I'm no longer financially supporting a team based on success is being a weak fan.

I see what you're saying, and I agree w/ a lot of that. Regarding what others do with their money, I never make judgments on that. But re winning/losing, I think the issue isn't just that we aren't winning, but how and why and to whom and that that same pattern has continued over 3.5 years to the point that, most importantly, many feel that as long as Coach Clark is the head coach, that there's no chance of any of it changing. That's when people give up hope, stop caring, become apathetic....referencing the OP, stop going, stop spending time/effort/money.

[bcoach]

Shawn Clark has saved me money on tickets to games this year and he's freed up the rest of my Saturdays to do some more minor home improvement projects.

I see what he's saying. It's not a popular take but I'd say it's accurate for a lot of people. Apathy, indifference, what's the point. This is year 4 ;all the hallmark signs are there...this isn't getting better.... and that makes App games are a lose/lose situation now...if we actually lose, it sucks to experience an App loss...and every time we pull off a miracle finish to squeak by a bottom feeder, it continues the decline and slow decay of the program into an even longer period of mediocrity. App still has my Yosef and STH money but it's hard to emotionally invest right now.

No doubt, it's tough to support a losing team as it's easy to support a winning team.
I think the issue is the idea of only supporting the team when it's easy cause of wins. That's what is called being a bandwagon fan.
No doubt adjustments need to be made to finish out this year strong or maybe there needs to be more changes at the end of the year. But to say I'm no longer financially supporting a team based on success is being a weak fan.

I see what you're saying and I overall agree with you. Regarding what others do with their money, I never make judgments on that. But re winning/losing, I think the issue isn't just that we aren't winning, but how and why and to whom...and most importantly many feel that as long as Coach Clark is the head coach, that there's no chance of any of it changing. That's when people give up hope, stop caring, become apathetic....referencing the OP, stop going, stop spending time/effort/money.

It is also when you find out who are really fans or just folks who like to flap their lips. When you stop caring or giving for reasons of win record, you were really never a real fan anyway. You know kind of like a Walmart fan that gets talked about from time to time. I have missed a couple of games this year for the first time in many years, because a grandchild is playing a sport at another university at the same time. I would NEVER give up my ticket because we had lost any number of games. I just can't comprehend that kind of thinking.

[Tru2ASU]

People want names, I'll throw 2 out. Justin Fuente. The other, more realistic name: Jerry Mack.

[bcoach]

People want names, I'll throw 2 out. Justin Fuente. The other, more realistic name: Jerry Mack.

Not sure about Mack, he did have head coaching experience At Central so maybe.
Fuente NO NO NO as a recruiter he is a train wreck. He left VT with the lowest talent level in forever. It will take a while for them to recover.
But then again I am not one who is looking for names yet.

[Tru2ASU]

People want names, I'll throw 2 out. Justin Fuente. The other, more realistic name: Jerry Mack.

Not sure about Mack, he did have head coaching experience At Central so maybe.
Fuente NO NO NO as a recruiter he is a train wreck. He left VT with the lowest talent level in forever. It will take a while for them to recover.
But then again I am not one who is looking for names yet.

I just like to spitball, but I think Mack will get a few interviews this off-season.

[MrCraig]

Shawn Clark has saved me money on tickets to games this year and he's freed up the rest of my Saturdays to do some more minor home improvement projects.

I see what he's saying. It's not a popular take but I'd say it's accurate for a lot of people. Apathy, indifference, what's the point. This is year 4 ;all the hallmark signs are there...this isn't getting better.... and that makes App games are a lose/lose situation now...if we actually lose, it sucks to experience an App loss...and every time we pull off a miracle finish to squeak by a bottom feeder, it continues the decline and slow decay of the program into an even longer period of mediocrity. App still has my Yosef and STH money but it's hard to emotionally invest right now.

No doubt, it's tough to support a losing team as it's easy to support a winning team.
I think the issue is the idea of only supporting the team when it's easy cause of wins. That's what is called being a bandwagon fan.
No doubt adjustments need to be made to finish out this year strong or maybe there needs to be more changes at the end of the year. But to say I'm no longer financially supporting a team based on success is being a weak fan.

I see what you're saying and I overall agree with you. Regarding what others do with their money, I never make judgments on that. But re winning/losing, I think the issue isn't just that we aren't winning, but how and why and to whom...and most importantly many feel that as long as Coach Clark is the head coach, that there's no chance of any of it changing. That's when people give up hope, stop caring, become apathetic....referencing the OP, stop going, stop spending time/effort/money.

It is also when you find out who are really fans or just folks who like to flap their lips. When you stop caring or giving for reasons of win record, you were really never a real fan anyway. You know kind of like a Walmart fan that gets talked about from time to time. I have missed a couple of games this year for the first time in many years, because a grandchild is playing a sport at another university at the same time. I would NEVER give up my ticket because we had lost any number of games. I just can't comprehend that kind of thinking.

First of all, I’m not that old, but I’m far too old to care what anyone thinks about my fandom. If I don’t meet your definition of “fan,” so be it. I’ll survive.

Second, I am rich in what matters, but not money. I don’t think I have actually enjoyed watching App State football since the Texas A&M game. Every game since has been more stressful than pleasurable; constantly worrying that the other shoe will drop or just watching ineffective football. So, why would I waste the little free time and money that I have doing something I don’t enjoy? Would anyone drive 2 hours and pay $100 to go to a bad movie?

I’ll still have my App flag waving off my front porch. I’ll still wear my sweatshirts with the Block A. I’ll still proudly display my diploma… but I’m done with ruining my Saturdays/Tuesdays.

[AppinVA]

I see what he's saying. It's not a popular take but I'd say it's accurate for a lot of people. Apathy, indifference, what's the point. This is year 4 ;all the hallmark signs are there...this isn't getting better.... and that makes App games are a lose/lose situation now...if we actually lose, it sucks to experience an App loss...and every time we pull off a miracle finish to squeak by a bottom feeder, it continues the decline and slow decay of the program into an even longer period of mediocrity. App still has my Yosef and STH money but it's hard to emotionally invest right now.

No doubt, it's tough to support a losing team as it's easy to support a winning team.
I think the issue is the idea of only supporting the team when it's easy cause of wins. That's what is called being a bandwagon fan.
No doubt adjustments need to be made to finish out this year strong or maybe there needs to be more changes at the end of the year. But to say I'm no longer financially supporting a team based on success is being a weak fan.

I see what you're saying and I overall agree with you. Regarding what others do with their money, I never make judgments on that. But re winning/losing, I think the issue isn't just that we aren't winning, but how and why and to whom...and most importantly many feel that as long as Coach Clark is the head coach, that there's no chance of any of it changing. That's when people give up hope, stop caring, become apathetic....referencing the OP, stop going, stop spending time/effort/money.

It is also when you find out who are really fans or just folks who like to flap their lips. When you stop caring or giving for reasons of win record, you were really never a real fan anyway. You know kind of like a Walmart fan that gets talked about from time to time. I have missed a couple of games this year for the first time in many years, because a grandchild is playing a sport at another university at the same time. I would NEVER give up my ticket because we had lost any number of games. I just can't comprehend that kind of thinking.

First of all, I’m not that old, but I’m far too old to care what anyone thinks about my fandom. If I don’t meet your definition of “fan,” so be it. I’ll survive.

Second, I am rich in what matters, but not money. I don’t think I have actually enjoyed watching App State football since the Texas A&M game. Every game since has been more stressful than pleasurable; constantly worrying that the other shoe will drop or just watching ineffective football. So, why would I waste the little free time and money that I have doing something I don’t enjoy? Would anyone drive 2 hours and pay $100 to go to a bad movie?

I’ll still have my App flag waving off my front porch. I’ll still wear my sweatshirts with the Block A. I’ll still proudly display my diploma… but I’m done with ruining my Saturdays/Tuesdays.

I can't consider it ruined based on the game result. I liken it to my golf game. I curse a bunch and swear I don't need this in my life, but in the end, I'll see you tomorrow.

[hapapp]

Seriously? We've recruited good. He's an App guy, but he's not head coach material. 1 Bowl win, 4-7 vs. Coastal, JMU, GSU, Marshall. We have gotten progressively worse every year he's been at the helm. December 1 can't get here soon enough.

Maybe Coastal, JMU, Marshall, and Georgia Southern are good too. Remember Drinkwitz lost to Georgia Southern too.

Coastal and Georgia Southern (along with App) do not appear to be good teams this year.

GS is 4-1, with their only loss to Wisconsin. They lead the Belt in passing yards per game but are dead last in rushing. Given our recent troubles against the pass, I would say they could be big trouble. We'll get a sense of how good they are on Saturday in Harrisonburg.

[AppStFan1]

As a whole when you read averything on this board and not just this subject, All I can say is thank the good lord above we on this board don't make any decisions.

Some of them are crazy. Have to let this play out. Maybe someone doubts Shawn or staff and that’s fine but nobody is getting fired now. Have to let this season play out. He is in a very tough spot now but his fate is not, and should not be sealed now. If he goes 3-3 or 4-2 with rest of schedule though there will be a conversation. Gillin definitely isn’t doing anything now. Amazes me we have some who think he should. Shawn has a chance here to get things on the right track.

[WASU 93]

As a whole when you read averything on this board and not just this subject, All I can say is thank the good lord above we on this board don't make any decisions.

Some of them are crazy. Have to let this play out. Maybe someone doubts Shawn or staff and that’s fine but nobody is getting fired now. Have to let this season play out. He is in a very tough spot now but his fate is not, and should not be sealed now. If he goes 3-3 or 4-2 with rest of schedule though there will be a conversation. Gillin definitely isn’t doing anything now. Amazes me we have some who think he should. Shawn has a chance here to get things on the right track.

Not to mention that you have the Sun Belt's top recruiting class lined up. If a move needed to be made and if DG made a move now, you can say bye to most of those recruits. I know that recruits can flip at any time nowadays, but SC and staff have given a group of talented players a reason to come to Boone and play for App State. It is wise to not over-react and let this play out.

[RaleighApp27609]

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GS is 4-1, with their only loss to Wisconsin. They lead the Belt in passing yards per game but are dead last in rushing. Given our recent troubles against the pass, I would say they could be big trouble. We'll get a sense of how good they are on Saturday in Harrisonburg.
[/quote]

Checked GS's schedule and none of their wins really stood out. But I agree, JMU on Saturday will confirm if they are legit. Never thought I'd read GS lead a conference in passing and last in rushing. Brave New World.

[Pikapp79]

As a whole when you read averything on this board and not just this subject, All I can say is thank the good lord above we on this board don't make any decisions.

Some of them are crazy. Have to let this play out. Maybe someone doubts Shawn or staff and that’s fine but nobody is getting fired now. Have to let this season play out. He is in a very tough spot now but his fate is not, and should not be sealed now. If he goes 3-3 or 4-2 with rest of schedule though there will be a conversation. Gillin definitely isn’t doing anything now. Amazes me we have some who think he should. Shawn has a chance here to get things on the right track.

Agree it would be crazy to do anything during the season. It’s not what this program is about. If however Clark doesn’t turn on the afterburners expect him to be history at seasons end. Performance based business and he isn’t cutting it.

[bcoach]

As a whole when you read averything on this board and not just this subject, All I can say is thank the good lord above we on this board don't make any decisions.

Some of them are crazy. Have to let this play out. Maybe someone doubts Shawn or staff and that’s fine but nobody is getting fired now. Have to let this season play out. He is in a very tough spot now but his fate is not, and should not be sealed now. If he goes 3-3 or 4-2 with rest of schedule though there will be a conversation. Gillin definitely isn’t doing anything now. Amazes me we have some who think he should. Shawn has a chance here to get things on the right track.

Agree it would be crazy to do anything during the season. It’s not what this program is about. If however Clark doesn’t turn on the afterburners expect him to be history at seasons end. Performance based business and he isn’t cutting it.

again not just this subject

[bcoach]

I see what he's saying. It's not a popular take but I'd say it's accurate for a lot of people. Apathy, indifference, what's the point. This is year 4 ;all the hallmark signs are there...this isn't getting better.... and that makes App games are a lose/lose situation now...if we actually lose, it sucks to experience an App loss...and every time we pull off a miracle finish to squeak by a bottom feeder, it continues the decline and slow decay of the program into an even longer period of mediocrity. App still has my Yosef and STH money but it's hard to emotionally invest right now.

No doubt, it's tough to support a losing team as it's easy to support a winning team.
I think the issue is the idea of only supporting the team when it's easy cause of wins. That's what is called being a bandwagon fan.
No doubt adjustments need to be made to finish out this year strong or maybe there needs to be more changes at the end of the year. But to say I'm no longer financially supporting a team based on success is being a weak fan.

I see what you're saying and I overall agree with you. Regarding what others do with their money, I never make judgments on that. But re winning/losing, I think the issue isn't just that we aren't winning, but how and why and to whom...and most importantly many feel that as long as Coach Clark is the head coach, that there's no chance of any of it changing. That's when people give up hope, stop caring, become apathetic....referencing the OP, stop going, stop spending time/effort/money.

It is also when you find out who are really fans or just folks who like to flap their lips. When you stop caring or giving for reasons of win record, you were really never a real fan anyway. You know kind of like a Walmart fan that gets talked about from time to time. I have missed a couple of games this year for the first time in many years, because a grandchild is playing a sport at another university at the same time. I would NEVER give up my ticket because we had lost any number of games. I just can't comprehend that kind of thinking.

First of all, I’m not that old, but I’m far too old to care what anyone thinks about my fandom. If I don’t meet your definition of “fan,” so be it. I’ll survive.

Second, I am rich in what matters, but not money. I don’t think I have actually enjoyed watching App State football since the Texas A&M game. Every game since has been more stressful than pleasurable; constantly worrying that the other shoe will drop or just watching ineffective football. So, why would I waste the little free time and money that I have doing something I don’t enjoy? Would anyone drive 2 hours and pay $100 to go to a bad movie?

I’ll still have my App flag waving off my front porch. I’ll still wear my sweatshirts with the Block A. I’ll still proudly display my diploma… but I’m done with ruining my Saturdays/Tuesdays.

You should spend your money anyway you want. I comend you for being honest about how you spend it. You see those dollars as purly entertainment dollars and not support of the program dollars. I respect your honesty. Have a great weekend.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Examining the SBC teams and their non conference schedule, App State by far has played the hardest and highest ranked team two straight seasons.

2023 - #15 UNC
2022 - #6 Texas A/M

Ga State non conf in 2023 is atrocious.
Marshall has played NC State and UVA, only beating the worse ACC team by 1.

Goes back to my months ago post, the non conference schedule has hurt this program more than helped. Losing regardless of how good the team is that beats you, isn't good for the mental, especially this generation of kids.