Here we go again...Looks like the OC is out

[AppStFan1]

Boy, it sure would be nice to have the same offensive coordinator for more than one year.

Also, Mississippi State is sort of my secondary team because I have a lot of family there. I'm a little confused by this move on their part. What has Barbay proven? I mean, I hope he's successful. Just seems a bit strange. Then again, Miss State doesn't have the same money pool that the top-tier SEC schools have, so I'm sure that limits their search just like it does App's.

Barbay showed a lot early on. Rumor has it that a coach above him made it clear he wanted "run heavy" no matter what and our play calling seemed to turn one-dimensional

Heard same thing. I thought he might stay since we had some changes and Cummings came but as we see the Cummings hire did not guarantee we keep Barbay. We are just going to have to deal with this. We can't use the OC changes as an excuse to just lose or else we will never win. Clark is going to have to find another good one and let that person be as creative as they want.

I don't think anybody is using anything as an excuse not to win. That being said, can anyone name me a FBS team that has had a different OC each of the past 5 seasons (not even counting many of the other consistently changing assistant coaching positions) that continues to pile up wins as the years go on? Coaching consistency is vital to teams, not only for the coaching part but also recruiting and player retention. At some point, all the changes have a real life effect on the ability to continue to win at a high level. I really can't think of another team that will have their 6th different OC in 6 season when next year begins. Arkansas State had a stretch some years ago with losing coaches/OC for several years in a row to bigger schools, one could argue that they have yet to recover.

Some folks have brought up the fact that it is hard to win titles and be consistent when we have to change coordinators ever year. I'm not saying it is still ideal but we have to overcome. It is the new normal and we either adapt or die.

Alabama has had a lot of OC changes and they keep winning. Just about every school has coaching changes, especially at our level. Top G5 programs have a lot of coaching changes. If we want to keep coaches we either cough up more money or get use to this and deal with it.

[AppinVA]

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

Fair points.

[AppStateNews]

Speaking as someone who once was bullied into donating to the Yosef Club when I really couldn't afford it, I hate how every thread of this sort winds up as a "donate to the Yosef Club" sermon. Just let people be mad and/or sad.

If you can't afford it, don't do it. But, also don't get butt hurt when you complain about not being able to retain staff because of money and people say we need more people donating to get more money.

I am not saying you specifically because I know you do what you can. I am talking about the active twitter base that literally makes fun of Yosef Club for trying to raise funds but their next tweet is "FIRE CLARK HE CAN'T EVEN RETAIN AN OC!"

Unfortunately, money is the only thing that is going to fix this (or sucking).

Also, letting people be mad and/or sad is good. But likewise, let people volunteer their time to help grow Yosef Club.

[t4pizza]

Boy, it sure would be nice to have the same offensive coordinator for more than one year.

Also, Mississippi State is sort of my secondary team because I have a lot of family there. I'm a little confused by this move on their part. What has Barbay proven? I mean, I hope he's successful. Just seems a bit strange. Then again, Miss State doesn't have the same money pool that the top-tier SEC schools have, so I'm sure that limits their search just like it does App's.

Barbay showed a lot early on. Rumor has it that a coach above him made it clear he wanted "run heavy" no matter what and our play calling seemed to turn one-dimensional

Heard same thing. I thought he might stay since we had some changes and Cummings came but as we see the Cummings hire did not guarantee we keep Barbay. We are just going to have to deal with this. We can't use the OC changes as an excuse to just lose or else we will never win. Clark is going to have to find another good one and let that person be as creative as they want.

I don't think anybody is using anything as an excuse not to win. That being said, can anyone name me a FBS team that has had a different OC each of the past 5 seasons (not even counting many of the other consistently changing assistant coaching positions) that continues to pile up wins as the years go on? Coaching consistency is vital to teams, not only for the coaching part but also recruiting and player retention. At some point, all the changes have a real life effect on the ability to continue to win at a high level. I really can't think of another team that will have their 6th different OC in 6 season when next year begins. Arkansas State had a stretch some years ago with losing coaches/OC for several years in a row to bigger schools, one could argue that they have yet to recover.

Some folks have brought up the fact that it is hard to win titles and be consistent when we have to change coordinators ever year. I'm not saying it is still ideal but we have to overcome. It is the new normal and we either adapt or die.

Alabama has had a lot of OC changes and they keep winning. Just about every school has coaching changes, especially at our level. Top G5 programs have a lot of coaching changes. If we want to keep coaches we either cough up more money or get use to this and deal with it.

Yes the greatest football coach of all time keeps winning, but even he hasn't had a stretch of 6 different OC in 6 consecutive years. The revolving door of his coaches is one of the biggest reasons Saban attributes to having so many "analysts". He brings in guys that can be around the team and learn the way they do things and get a feel for what Saban wants so that when he has an opening down the line he is able to get people that he has worked with before. We simply are not in that position and it is doubtful we ever will be. Yes, we still need to adapt and learn how to continue to win at a high rate, but at the same times our fans need to be realistic and know that all these changes have a tangible impact on the ability to win big. It is just the reality of college football. Again, anyone out there please find me a winning team/program with 6 different OCs in 6 consecutive years.

[CornCobPipes]

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[mike87]

I'm a little confused, reading the comments it's almost like we LIKE Barbay now.

[MrCraig]

Boy, it sure would be nice to have the same offensive coordinator for more than one year.

Also, Mississippi State is sort of my secondary team because I have a lot of family there. I'm a little confused by this move on their part. What has Barbay proven? I mean, I hope he's successful. Just seems a bit strange. Then again, Miss State doesn't have the same money pool that the top-tier SEC schools have, so I'm sure that limits their search just like it does App's.

Barbay showed a lot early on. Rumor has it that a coach above him made it clear he wanted "run heavy" no matter what and our play calling seemed to turn one-dimensional

I had also wondered if this had happened, but everyone on this message board, until today, was very non-committal when saying whether or not that happened. If that's the case, why not just have SC be the OC? If he is going to have that much of a say in play calling, why not just call the plays?

[t4pizza]

I'm a little confused, reading the comments it's almost like we LIKE Barbay now.

The only reason I was happy with him staying is simply for the consistency and what it brings to the team. We have a very inexperienced QB room, familiarity with the OC was perceived as a big plus in my eyes. That's gone now. Hopefully we get a good OC who likes our QB room. It seems like every OC has a different idea of what a QB should be and they all seem to like their recruits better than their processor's recruits.

[311neers]

If we have a successful OC, DC etc., They are going to move on if they get a P5 offer. This is the world of the G5 given the salary differences between G5 and P5.

I am not sure how someone can conclude that the sky is falling or we are a mess....we do not yet know who our next OC will be.
For me, the OC and DC are just names. If the athletics dept thinks that is best for program, they make that decision. I will wait to see how the results turn out on the field

Doesn’t even have to be successful to get poached. We just went 6-6 (not because of Barbay, but still). Haha. That’s why I am advocating for Lamb because there is less risk of a poach due to his age and inexperience. If someone poaches him it’ll be like UVA did to GW for a positions coach. And hopefully we can pay our OC more than a position coach at a p5. I lived next to the football guys for Taylor’s years at App and really enjoyed getting to know him. I’d be over the moon to have him back on campus but also understand we have to go prove something this year with a great OC.

[AppStFan1]

Barbay showed a lot early on. Rumor has it that a coach above him made it clear he wanted "run heavy" no matter what and our play calling seemed to turn one-dimensional

Heard same thing. I thought he might stay since we had some changes and Cummings came but as we see the Cummings hire did not guarantee we keep Barbay. We are just going to have to deal with this. We can't use the OC changes as an excuse to just lose or else we will never win. Clark is going to have to find another good one and let that person be as creative as they want.

I don't think anybody is using anything as an excuse not to win. That being said, can anyone name me a FBS team that has had a different OC each of the past 5 seasons (not even counting many of the other consistently changing assistant coaching positions) that continues to pile up wins as the years go on? Coaching consistency is vital to teams, not only for the coaching part but also recruiting and player retention. At some point, all the changes have a real life effect on the ability to continue to win at a high level. I really can't think of another team that will have their 6th different OC in 6 season when next year begins. Arkansas State had a stretch some years ago with losing coaches/OC for several years in a row to bigger schools, one could argue that they have yet to recover.

Some folks have brought up the fact that it is hard to win titles and be consistent when we have to change coordinators ever year. I'm not saying it is still ideal but we have to overcome. It is the new normal and we either adapt or die.

Alabama has had a lot of OC changes and they keep winning. Just about every school has coaching changes, especially at our level. Top G5 programs have a lot of coaching changes. If we want to keep coaches we either cough up more money or get use to this and deal with it.

Yes the greatest football coach of all time keeps winning, but even he hasn't had a stretch of 6 different OC in 6 consecutive years. The revolving door of his coaches is one of the biggest reasons Saban attributes to having so many "analysts". He brings in guys that can be around the team and learn the way they do things and get a feel for what Saban wants so that when he has an opening down the line he is able to get people that he has worked with before. We simply are not in that position and it is doubtful we ever will be. Yes, we still need to adapt and learn how to continue to win at a high rate, but at the same times our fans need to be realistic and know that all these changes have a tangible impact on the ability to win big. It is just the reality of college football. Again, anyone out there please find me a winning team/program with 6 different OCs in 6 consecutive years.

I believe UTSA lost both coordinators and still won double digit games. Happens all the time with FCS and D2 schools who produce.

Here is the issue. We must find a way to overcome because, like Gillin stated, we have to win to be relevant. We also have this campaign to raise 100M and many won't give if we are losing.

One part that can help with the loss of coaching is having a very strong scouting department. We can't fully depend on the coach but have to have a strong personnel department. We have to find the Demetrius McCrays, Corey Lynchs, Kerry Browns, ADGs, Darrynton Evans, Cooper Hodges, Peoples, etc type players because if you have talent then as long as you have a pretty good coach you can win.

[AppStFan1]

I'm a little confused, reading the comments it's almost like we LIKE Barbay now.

The folks who complained did so just because of our record and don't know anything about him. I fully believe that he was being influenced and we did not see Barbay wide open doing what he wants. He is a creative mind and a very good coach. I am sad to see him go but wish him the best at MSU.

[CornCobPipes]

[AppStateNews]

And hopefully we can pay our OC more than a position coach at a p5.

We literally lost our OC last year as a position coach at a P5. He reportedly got 3 times the salary.

We cannot compete with even position coach's at P5.

[311neers]

And hopefully we can pay our OC more than a position coach at a p5.

We literally lost our OC last year as a position coach at a P5. He reportedly got 3 times the salary.

We cannot compete with even position coach's at P5.

Ponce! 1 and dones it is! Bummer

[AppStateNews]

And hopefully we can pay our OC more than a position coach at a p5.

We literally lost our OC last year as a position coach at a P5. He reportedly got 3 times the salary.

We cannot compete with even position coach's at P5.

Ponce! 1 and dones it is! Bummer

It doesn't have to be one and dones, but if we are successful, there's a good chance they'll get a call at seasons end. Hell, even if we're mediocre at 6-6 apparently. The college football world knows what we produce with how little money we have and feasts on it.

This is why it's so important to have a HC like Clark. He's turned down two P5 jobs in 3 years because he wants to be here. At least having consistency at the top is very important.

[appstatealum]

I'm a little confused, reading the comments it's almost like we LIKE Barbay now.

The folks who complained did so just because of our record and don't know anything about him. I fully believe that he was being influenced and we did not see Barbay wide open doing what he wants. He is a creative mind and a very good coach. I am sad to see him go but wish him the best at MSU.

It's also best to let a sleeping dog lie and not stir up people here talking about "inside info" of Barbay being handcuffed. My hope was that it'd resolve itself. Now that he's gone, it's worth bringing up. A lot of things i hear make my stomach churn like eating too many hot wings from Delories back in the day. I just hope you know who grows from this.

[t4pizza]

Heard same thing. I thought he might stay since we had some changes and Cummings came but as we see the Cummings hire did not guarantee we keep Barbay. We are just going to have to deal with this. We can't use the OC changes as an excuse to just lose or else we will never win. Clark is going to have to find another good one and let that person be as creative as they want.

I don't think anybody is using anything as an excuse not to win. That being said, can anyone name me a FBS team that has had a different OC each of the past 5 seasons (not even counting many of the other consistently changing assistant coaching positions) that continues to pile up wins as the years go on? Coaching consistency is vital to teams, not only for the coaching part but also recruiting and player retention. At some point, all the changes have a real life effect on the ability to continue to win at a high level. I really can't think of another team that will have their 6th different OC in 6 season when next year begins. Arkansas State had a stretch some years ago with losing coaches/OC for several years in a row to bigger schools, one could argue that they have yet to recover.

Some folks have brought up the fact that it is hard to win titles and be consistent when we have to change coordinators ever year. I'm not saying it is still ideal but we have to overcome. It is the new normal and we either adapt or die.

Alabama has had a lot of OC changes and they keep winning. Just about every school has coaching changes, especially at our level. Top G5 programs have a lot of coaching changes. If we want to keep coaches we either cough up more money or get use to this and deal with it.

Yes the greatest football coach of all time keeps winning, but even he hasn't had a stretch of 6 different OC in 6 consecutive years. The revolving door of his coaches is one of the biggest reasons Saban attributes to having so many "analysts". He brings in guys that can be around the team and learn the way they do things and get a feel for what Saban wants so that when he has an opening down the line he is able to get people that he has worked with before. We simply are not in that position and it is doubtful we ever will be. Yes, we still need to adapt and learn how to continue to win at a high rate, but at the same times our fans need to be realistic and know that all these changes have a tangible impact on the ability to win big. It is just the reality of college football. Again, anyone out there please find me a winning team/program with 6 different OCs in 6 consecutive years.

I believe UTSA lost both coordinators and still won double digit games. Happens all the time with FCS and D2 schools who produce.

Here is the issue. We must find a way to overcome because, like Gillin stated, we have to win to be relevant. We also have this campaign to raise 100M and many won't give if we are losing.

One part that can help with the loss of coaching is having a very strong scouting department. We can't fully depend on the coach but have to have a strong personnel department. We have to find the Demetrius McCrays, Corey Lynchs, Kerry Browns, ADGs, Darrynton Evans, Cooper Hodges, Peoples, etc type players because if you have talent then as long as you have a pretty good coach you can win.

Did the lose their OC the previous year and the year prior and so on? It isn't a question of one year, this will be the 6th year in a row that we replace our OC (not to mention other coaches) and there is a cumulative effect. We haven't had a QB on our roster that had the same OC for two consecutive seasons since Taylor Lamb took snaps in 2017. Think about that for a while. And every new OC/coach has his way of doing things that differ from the last guy. Again, this isn't making excuses for losing games, it is just pointing out the realities of the world. It is easy to say it happens all the time with FCS but we didn't ever lose our OC for 6 consecutive years at that level and I can't recall any team that did so back when I followed FCS. I am sure it has happened to some other teams, I am just curious what their records were after those 6 years and I am willing to bet that it was worse than the earlier years.

We have to find a way to get consistency with coaches and still win at a high level and perhaps that means looking for really young (20 somethings and early 30s) guys that the P5 may want to see more than a year or two out of before poaching.

[AppState89]

We are a G5 Mid-major university. We will NEVER be able to keep coaches if we are successful. No different than my wife's company. She works for an insurance company and people are leaving weekly to work for another insurance company willing to pay $15,000 more per year and a company car. We don't have the money the P5 schools have.

Our little payout bowl games added together don't come close to most of the P5 single bowl games. Then when you have 2 SEC teams in the playoff and both win, they play each other for the National Championship Game. Look at the money they make for each playoff game, then both SEC teams in the NC. That plus the 5-10 million of other bowl games. The conference gets richer and richer, thus being able to pay Barbay three times as much. We will continue to argue for the next 50 years about coaches moving on for huge increases in salaries.

[AppStateNews]

I'm a little confused, reading the comments it's almost like we LIKE Barbay now.

The folks who complained did so just because of our record and don't know anything about him. I fully believe that he was being influenced and we did not see Barbay wide open doing what he wants. He is a creative mind and a very good coach. I am sad to see him go but wish him the best at MSU.

It's also best to let a sleeping dog lie and not stir up people here talking about "inside info" of Barbay being handcuffed. My hope was that it'd resolve itself. Now that he's gone, it's worth bringing up. A lot of things i hear make my stomach churn like eating too many hot wings from Delories back in the day. I just hope you know who grows from this.

Agree with this. Although, a lot of the handcuffing (not all) was due to personnel. We were fully healthy weeks 1 and mostly healthy in week 2. Never fully healthy again and a lot of key players were playing with injuries because there wasn't another option. I know with absolute certainty at least 3 of our starting o line should have missed at least 4 weeks with their injuries -- they didn't miss any.

[bcoach]

Heard same thing. I thought he might stay since we had some changes and Cummings came but as we see the Cummings hire did not guarantee we keep Barbay. We are just going to have to deal with this. We can't use the OC changes as an excuse to just lose or else we will never win. Clark is going to have to find another good one and let that person be as creative as they want.

I don't think anybody is using anything as an excuse not to win. That being said, can anyone name me a FBS team that has had a different OC each of the past 5 seasons (not even counting many of the other consistently changing assistant coaching positions) that continues to pile up wins as the years go on? Coaching consistency is vital to teams, not only for the coaching part but also recruiting and player retention. At some point, all the changes have a real life effect on the ability to continue to win at a high level. I really can't think of another team that will have their 6th different OC in 6 season when next year begins. Arkansas State had a stretch some years ago with losing coaches/OC for several years in a row to bigger schools, one could argue that they have yet to recover.

Some folks have brought up the fact that it is hard to win titles and be consistent when we have to change coordinators ever year. I'm not saying it is still ideal but we have to overcome. It is the new normal and we either adapt or die.

Alabama has had a lot of OC changes and they keep winning. Just about every school has coaching changes, especially at our level. Top G5 programs have a lot of coaching changes. If we want to keep coaches we either cough up more money or get use to this and deal with it.

Yes the greatest football coach of all time keeps winning, but even he hasn't had a stretch of 6 different OC in 6 consecutive years. The revolving door of his coaches is one of the biggest reasons Saban attributes to having so many "analysts". He brings in guys that can be around the team and learn the way they do things and get a feel for what Saban wants so that when he has an opening down the line he is able to get people that he has worked with before. We simply are not in that position and it is doubtful we ever will be. Yes, we still need to adapt and learn how to continue to win at a high rate, but at the same times our fans need to be realistic and know that all these changes have a tangible impact on the ability to win big. It is just the reality of college football. Again, anyone out there please find me a winning team/program with 6 different OCs in 6 consecutive years.

I believe UTSA lost both coordinators and still won double digit games. Happens all the time with FCS and D2 schools who produce.

Here is the issue. We must find a way to overcome because, like Gillin stated, we have to win to be relevant. We also have this campaign to raise 100M and many won't give if we are losing.

One part that can help with the loss of coaching is having a very strong scouting department. We can't fully depend on the coach but have to have a strong personnel department. We have to find the Demetrius McCrays, Corey Lynchs, Kerry Browns, ADGs, Darrynton Evans, Cooper Hodges, Peoples, etc type players because if you have talent then as long as you have a pretty good coach you can win.

Just my humble opinion. I don't think we need 100M right now. I think we need less than 2M right now, because I agree we will never see 100M if we don't pay coaches and win.