Here we go again...Looks like the OC is out

[WASU 93]

Or was it that his coaching hands were tied? The season started out with a lot of promise, new coach and then the backslide. Something drastic changed and not for the good of the program. We all knew this was coming. The only surprise is that it didn't happen in December.

This isn’t a peer to peer move. Barbay is leaving to coach Mike Leach’s recruits. That’s leaving for a promotion and more $$$, not because his hands were tied.

It sucks to have another transition, but when you can’t match P5 offers and hire good talent…..

[appstatealum]

Boy, it sure would be nice to have the same offensive coordinator for more than one year.

Also, Mississippi State is sort of my secondary team because I have a lot of family there. I'm a little confused by this move on their part. What has Barbay proven? I mean, I hope he's successful. Just seems a bit strange. Then again, Miss State doesn't have the same money pool that the top-tier SEC schools have, so I'm sure that limits their search just like it does App's.

Barbay showed a lot early on. Rumor has it that a coach above him made it clear he wanted "run heavy" no matter what and our play calling seemed to turn one-dimensional

[AppStateNews]

Barbay and others were hired with the reduced budget. Even IF we increased it, it is too late because now we are years behind after staying stagnant and reducing the budget constantly. This admin needs to look in the mirror and asks themselves if they want 30K people showing up to their school on gamedays or if they are satisfied with being a backsliding once was in the world of college football.

Barbay was hired with the reduced budget, correct. The reduced budget was caused by Covid. Without Covid, we have the highest salary pool in Sun Belt. But, Covid took away all reserves we had (plus some). We finally built the reserves back up to an operational level after Cobb left it in the red.

We are actively increasing the budget of all sports annually, but it takes time (unless I win Mega Millions). Having a higher salary pool will not eliminate coaches leaving for P5. We will never be able to compete with those salaries (again, unless I win Mega Millions).

Everyone complaining about it better be giving to Yosef Club and not freeloading like majority of our fan base does.

And, lastly, this isn't a surprise to Gillin or Clark. It's been in the works for a while. We countered with an offer to Barbay and made him double/triple think it, but ultimately could not get anywhere close to the offered salary or career path jump an SEC school offers.

Yeah I been part of the YC for the last 4 years and hell I'm not even alumni - I don't even donate to my the colleges I played at. I think this is the first time on a message board I've truly complained about how frustrating this can be.

Appreciate you donating to the cause!

Super frustrating for sure. Being frustrated is perfectly fine and expected. But, ultimately, money is the answer to hold on to these guys. We can't pay more money until we get more money. Gillin and company have done a tremendous job at finding money and we are now at the level of our Sun Belt peers. We will never be able to compete with SEC money though.

And, the freeloading comment isn't about you obviously if you are donating. But, we have roughly 4000 donating members to Yosef Club with over 130,000 living alumni. That is terrible numbers and majority of our fan base does freeload off people like you that do donate!

Honest question. Can you estimate how many of that 130,000 are football fans. I ask because there are many that could care less.

I cannot estimate how many are football fans (well, honestly, it should fans of all sports we sponsor).

But, what I can do is see there are nearly 600 people currently active on this board (the most active App State board). You can't tell me nearly 15% of all our donors are on this board at this present time. Meaning, people that will sit here and argue about the demise of an athletic program are more than likely (just based on simple math and probability) freeloading.

If we had just 10% of the non-donating living alumni give just $50 a year (not a ton), that's an extra ~$630,000. It doesn't take much to make a big difference.

[311neers]

Taylor Lamb inherited a 4400+ yd passer, 31 TD and 10 interception QB at UVA this past season that returned 3+ key vet WR's like we did with Sutton/Hennigan/Virgil in 2021.

In one year under Lamb and new coaching staff that QB (Brennan Armstrong) threw for 2200 yds, 7 TDs, and 12 interceptions.

I love Lamb, but don't know that I would be thrilled based on this aspect of his coaching resume.

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

[app83]

Anybody know how much Lamb makes at UVA? I wonder if he would have to take a pay cut to come back to APP. He might would do it for the title change but the salary might be an issue.

[AppStFan1]

Boy, it sure would be nice to have the same offensive coordinator for more than one year.

Also, Mississippi State is sort of my secondary team because I have a lot of family there. I'm a little confused by this move on their part. What has Barbay proven? I mean, I hope he's successful. Just seems a bit strange. Then again, Miss State doesn't have the same money pool that the top-tier SEC schools have, so I'm sure that limits their search just like it does App's.

Barbay showed a lot early on. Rumor has it that a coach above him made it clear he wanted "run heavy" no matter what and our play calling seemed to turn one-dimensional

Heard same thing. I thought he might stay since we had some changes and Cummings came but as we see the Cummings hire did not guarantee we keep Barbay. We are just going to have to deal with this. We can't use the OC changes as an excuse to just lose or else we will never win. Clark is going to have to find another good one and let that person be as creative as they want.

[AppStateNews]

Taylor Lamb inherited a 4400+ yd passer, 31 TD and 10 interception QB at UVA this past season that returned 3+ key vet WR's like we did with Sutton/Hennigan/Virgil in 2021.

In one year under Lamb and new coaching staff that QB (Brennan Armstrong) threw for 2200 yds, 7 TDs, and 12 interceptions.

I love Lamb, but don't know that I would be thrilled based on this aspect of his coaching resume.

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

[goapps93]

Taylor Lamb inherited a 4400+ yd passer, 31 TD and 10 interception QB at UVA this past season that returned 3+ key vet WR's like we did with Sutton/Hennigan/Virgil in 2021.

In one year under Lamb and new coaching staff that QB (Brennan Armstrong) threw for 2200 yds, 7 TDs, and 12 interceptions.

I love Lamb, but don't know that I would be thrilled based on this aspect of his coaching resume.

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

And then we can drag another App alum through the mud if/when he doesn’t meet our expectations.

I would like someone with a little more experience. Especially since we’re breaking in new QBs.

[CharlotteApp05]

wondering if we lose ol coach next

[t4pizza]

Boy, it sure would be nice to have the same offensive coordinator for more than one year.

Also, Mississippi State is sort of my secondary team because I have a lot of family there. I'm a little confused by this move on their part. What has Barbay proven? I mean, I hope he's successful. Just seems a bit strange. Then again, Miss State doesn't have the same money pool that the top-tier SEC schools have, so I'm sure that limits their search just like it does App's.

Barbay showed a lot early on. Rumor has it that a coach above him made it clear he wanted "run heavy" no matter what and our play calling seemed to turn one-dimensional

Heard same thing. I thought he might stay since we had some changes and Cummings came but as we see the Cummings hire did not guarantee we keep Barbay. We are just going to have to deal with this. We can't use the OC changes as an excuse to just lose or else we will never win. Clark is going to have to find another good one and let that person be as creative as they want.

I don't think anybody is using anything as an excuse not to win. That being said, can anyone name me a FBS team that has had a different OC each of the past 5 seasons (not even counting many of the other consistently changing assistant coaching positions) that continues to pile up wins as the years go on? Coaching consistency is vital to teams, not only for the coaching part but also recruiting and player retention. At some point, all the changes have a real life effect on the ability to continue to win at a high level. I really can't think of another team that will have their 6th different OC in 6 season when next year begins. Arkansas State had a stretch some years ago with losing coaches/OC for several years in a row to bigger schools, one could argue that they have yet to recover.

[AppStFan1]

Taylor Lamb inherited a 4400+ yd passer, 31 TD and 10 interception QB at UVA this past season that returned 3+ key vet WR's like we did with Sutton/Hennigan/Virgil in 2021.

In one year under Lamb and new coaching staff that QB (Brennan Armstrong) threw for 2200 yds, 7 TDs, and 12 interceptions.

I love Lamb, but don't know that I would be thrilled based on this aspect of his coaching resume.

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

No hire is a safe hire if they do a great job. If Taylor comes in and averages 35 per game and we go 9-3 then he will likely get a P5 job as well. Just have to hire the best we can and hope we win while they are here. I don't mind replacing coaches when we have good seasons. This just stings because we sucked as a program in 2022.

[AppStateNews]

wondering if we lose ol coach next

I don't think we will. Cummings was interested last year as well and not because of Barbay. Cummings is actually who pointed Clark to Barbay initially. Miss State already hired an o line coach and run game coordinator in Mason Miller.

Now, it is possible someone comes in and poaches him like we did with Geep Wade at Tulane last year, but I don't think it's going to be Miss State.

[t4pizza]

The silver lining to this as that based on our track record, we should be able to hire ANY OC we want that isn't already at the P5 level. What other school can offer this pitch....Be an OC at App State for a season and get a P5 job the next season. For coaches who want to climb the ladder, it is hard to beat a job at App State. Set our sights high and get the best OC out there.

[AppStFan1]

Taylor Lamb inherited a 4400+ yd passer, 31 TD and 10 interception QB at UVA this past season that returned 3+ key vet WR's like we did with Sutton/Hennigan/Virgil in 2021.

In one year under Lamb and new coaching staff that QB (Brennan Armstrong) threw for 2200 yds, 7 TDs, and 12 interceptions.

I love Lamb, but don't know that I would be thrilled based on this aspect of his coaching resume.

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

Exactly. Just hire the best and hope to keep them as long as you can. He won't give us a discount. He is young and trying to rise. We are just a stepping stone job to him right now as well.

[AppinVA]

Taylor Lamb inherited a 4400+ yd passer, 31 TD and 10 interception QB at UVA this past season that returned 3+ key vet WR's like we did with Sutton/Hennigan/Virgil in 2021.

In one year under Lamb and new coaching staff that QB (Brennan Armstrong) threw for 2200 yds, 7 TDs, and 12 interceptions.

I love Lamb, but don't know that I would be thrilled based on this aspect of his coaching resume.

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

[AppStateNews]

Taylor Lamb inherited a 4400+ yd passer, 31 TD and 10 interception QB at UVA this past season that returned 3+ key vet WR's like we did with Sutton/Hennigan/Virgil in 2021.

In one year under Lamb and new coaching staff that QB (Brennan Armstrong) threw for 2200 yds, 7 TDs, and 12 interceptions.

I love Lamb, but don't know that I would be thrilled based on this aspect of his coaching resume.

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

[BambooRdApp]

If we have a successful OC, DC etc., They are going to move on if they get a P5 offer. This is the world of the G5 given the salary differences between G5 and P5.

I am not sure how someone can conclude that the sky is falling or we are a mess....we do not yet know who our next OC will be.
For me, the OC and DC are just names. If the athletics dept thinks that is best for program, they make that decision. I will wait to see how the results turn out on the field

[yosef69]

We’re coming off a bad season, with a coach that is likely perceived by others to be on the hot seat.

Now we have to hire the two most important assistants in January. Not good timing.

I am very nervous and our program is in a very precarious position at the moment.

[T-Dog]

Speaking as someone who once was bullied into donating to the Yosef Club when I really couldn't afford it, I hate how every thread of this sort winds up as a "donate to the Yosef Club" sermon. Just let people be mad and/or sad.

[yosef69]

Speaking as someone who once was bullied into donating to the Yosef Club when I really couldn't afford it, I hate how every thread of this sort winds up as a "donate to the Yosef Club" sermon. Just let people be mad and/or sad.

Don’t you know fans aren’t allowed to vent on a message board?