Here we go again...Looks like the OC is out

[appstatealum]

I'm a little confused, reading the comments it's almost like we LIKE Barbay now.

The folks who complained did so just because of our record and don't know anything about him. I fully believe that he was being influenced and we did not see Barbay wide open doing what he wants. He is a creative mind and a very good coach. I am sad to see him go but wish him the best at MSU.

It's also best to let a sleeping dog lie and not stir up people here talking about "inside info" of Barbay being handcuffed. My hope was that it'd resolve itself. Now that he's gone, it's worth bringing up. A lot of things i hear make my stomach churn like eating too many hot wings from Delories back in the day. I just hope you know who grows from this.

Agree with this. Although, a lot of the handcuffing (not all) was due to personnel. We were fully healthy weeks 1 and mostly healthy in week 2. Never fully healthy again and a lot of key players were playing with injuries because there wasn't another option. I know with absolute certainty at least 3 of our starting o line should have missed at least 4 weeks with their injuries -- they didn't miss any.

Dont disagree, mostly, with that. Haha. I won't get into it all, but there was some tom-foolery with who and who wasn't playing and how many snaps in certain situations that didn't make sense, especially after doing the same thing over and over with no results. *I'm avoiding the cliche about insanity here. Haha

[AppStateNews]

I'm a little confused, reading the comments it's almost like we LIKE Barbay now.

The folks who complained did so just because of our record and don't know anything about him. I fully believe that he was being influenced and we did not see Barbay wide open doing what he wants. He is a creative mind and a very good coach. I am sad to see him go but wish him the best at MSU.

It's also best to let a sleeping dog lie and not stir up people here talking about "inside info" of Barbay being handcuffed. My hope was that it'd resolve itself. Now that he's gone, it's worth bringing up. A lot of things i hear make my stomach churn like eating too many hot wings from Delories back in the day. I just hope you know who grows from this.

Agree with this. Although, a lot of the handcuffing (not all) was due to personnel. We were fully healthy weeks 1 and mostly healthy in week 2. Never fully healthy again and a lot of key players were playing with injuries because there wasn't another option. I know with absolute certainty at least 3 of our starting o line should have missed at least 4 weeks with their injuries -- they didn't miss any.

Dont disagree, mostly, with that. Haha. I won't get into it all, but there was some tom-foolery with who and who wasn't playing and how many snaps in certain situations that didn't make sense, especially after doing the same thing over and over with no results. *I'm avoiding the cliche about insanity here. Haha

Yup. And that coach calling those shots is now gone.

[appgrad95&97]

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

[hapapp]

Taylor Lamb inherited a 4400+ yd passer, 31 TD and 10 interception QB at UVA this past season that returned 3+ key vet WR's like we did with Sutton/Hennigan/Virgil in 2021.

In one year under Lamb and new coaching staff that QB (Brennan Armstrong) threw for 2200 yds, 7 TDs, and 12 interceptions.

I love Lamb, but don't know that I would be thrilled based on this aspect of his coaching resume.

You realize he didn't call plays, right? He was QB coach for a brand new OC trying to install a new offense with pieces built towards another scheme. That is not easy to do.

If you go back to what Lamb did at Gardner-Webb, you can see his potential as an OC. That said, I personally don't think he's the answer either.

And also for much of the year UVA's frontline WRs were hurt.

[bigdaddyg]

Like pretty much every other coach he wasn't very good anyway and I have multiple game day threads to prove it!!

[bcoach]

Boy, it sure would be nice to have the same offensive coordinator for more than one year.

Also, Mississippi State is sort of my secondary team because I have a lot of family there. I'm a little confused by this move on their part. What has Barbay proven? I mean, I hope he's successful. Just seems a bit strange. Then again, Miss State doesn't have the same money pool that the top-tier SEC schools have, so I'm sure that limits their search just like it does App's.

Barbay showed a lot early on. Rumor has it that a coach above him made it clear he wanted "run heavy" no matter what and our play calling seemed to turn one-dimensional

This past season, Barbay ran the ball 40 times per game, a number that nearly doubled Mississippi State's 22.7 totes per game average, which was a distant last place in FBS.

Clearly, Barbay's offense will, in part, play ball control to protect Mississippi State's defense.

Sounds to be like they were after his run game.

[AppStateNews]

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

[AppStFan1]

And hopefully we can pay our OC more than a position coach at a p5.

We literally lost our OC last year as a position coach at a P5. He reportedly got 3 times the salary.

We cannot compete with even position coach's at P5.

Indeed. A lot of position coaches in SEC make 400-600k. We pay half that for our coordinators, correct? Just can’t compete with it.

[311neers]

And hopefully we can pay our OC more than a position coach at a p5.

We literally lost our OC last year as a position coach at a P5. He reportedly got 3 times the salary.

We cannot compete with even position coach's at P5.

Indeed. A lot of position coaches in SEC make 400-600k. We pay half that for our coordinators, correct? Just can’t compete with it.

Oh wow, so we couldnt afford a 28 year old Lamb anyway right now. Lamb Makes $260k, whew!!! What does our OC/DC make?

[AppStFan1]

And hopefully we can pay our OC more than a position coach at a p5.

We literally lost our OC last year as a position coach at a P5. He reportedly got 3 times the salary.

We cannot compete with even position coach's at P5.

Indeed. A lot of position coaches in SEC make 400-600k. We pay half that for our coordinators, correct? Just can’t compete with it.

Oh wow, so we couldnt afford a 28 year old Lamb anyway right now. Lamb Makes $260k, whew!!! What does our OC/DC make?

I’m not sure on exact but I’m pretty sure it’s less than 300k.

[appstatealum]

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

I disagree. Not to the fact he was hired with consistency in mind and some "App Culture" reasons, but I disagree that he has provided that. I feel Clark has flipped the script and, not just my opinion, is unrecognizable to some of us that knew him before. And there are still issues we had with his predecessor, they just look different.

[AppStateNews]

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

I disagree. Not to the fact he was hired with consistency in mind and some "App Culture" reasons, but I disagree that he has provided that. I feel Clark has flipped the script and, not just my opinion, is unrecognizable to some of us that knew him before. And there are still issues we had with his predecessor, they just look different.

The change was due to players taking advantage of him. Part of the clean up process. The locker room this past season looked more like Satt's locker room. Last year was a good start at getting it there. Clarks first year was a mess of "superstars" thinking they didn't have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Clark did flip the script -- he started enforcing rules again and the players that got away with it didn't like it.

[Yosef10]

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

You have absolutely 0 way of knowing that lol. You may feel that way, but you don’t know that.

[311neers]

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

I disagree. Not to the fact he was hired with consistency in mind and some "App Culture" reasons, but I disagree that he has provided that. I feel Clark has flipped the script and, not just my opinion, is unrecognizable to some of us that knew him before. And there are still issues we had with his predecessor, they just look different.

Go look at our 2019 and 2020 signing classes. 75% of those kids aren't on the roster anymore. The coaching change and lack of recruiting/relationship building Drink did is rearing it's ugly head. Consistency is key in this aspect.

[AppStateNews]

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

You have absolutely 0 way of knowing that lol. You may feel that way, but you don’t know that.

I have no way of knowing what? That inconsistency at the HC position would cause more problems than we are currently seeing? Or that he's providing the consistency and cleaning up a mess?

[mike87]

Getting some inside baseball now if you can cypher through the doubletalk and innuendo and Barbay definitely bad. Clark trending good again, nice to see that. Jones, still bad. Sorry Dale. And Gillin and Everts have entered the chat as trending bad, which is a shame since they held out as good for a long time. And of course Drink - bad man.

Hope Yosef doesn't get poached. He's the only all good I think we have left.

[Yosef10]

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

You have absolutely 0 way of knowing that lol. You may feel that way, but you don’t know that.

I have no way of knowing what? That inconsistency at the HC position would cause more problems than we are currently seeing? Or that he's providing the consistency and cleaning up a mess?

“But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.“ No, you don’t know that lol.

[WASU 93]

Lamb would be a "safe hire" just like Clark was. Won't get poached for P5 for a few years, probably doesnt care about making big bucks quite yet. Loves the school, knows the university, the area, the players, the staff and the culture. Only thing is, he isnt proven. Feels like a mini rebuild to me off a 6-6 season with a ton of new faces not only on the roster but also the coaching staff, so lets rebuild it with one of our best signal callers ever to dawn the black and gold.

Exciting times, alot of uncertainty, but we are all here for it! Go Apps.

Taylor would jump the next opportunity just as fast as the previous 5 have done. Hell, he jumped from OC for family to be just a QB coach at a P5. If the offense performs under him, teams will come calling. App State offense is a known commodity in the college football world and they'll always come calling with success.

I am not endorsing Lamb for the job, as I am not familiar enough with his work as a coach, but he is the one quarterback that reminds me most of Satt. Both had the drive and got the most out of their abilities. They also led in a way that got the most out of their teammates. They’re both winners, and if he’s got the experience, he’s worth a look.

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

Interesting that this point is made in a thread about losing another OC in a string of losing OC’s. If we had hired Drinkwitz 2.0, we’d probably be hiring Drinkwitz 3.0 and maybe recruiting would be a mess right now or on-going.

And we didn’t want to keep a DC with experience…..

Maybe it’s good to have a Head Coach who wants to be here, because assistant coaches and coordinators are always going to churn. We want good coaches who have ambition and who are successful. We just need to hire the best candidate. Assistant coaches become coordinators. Good G5 coordinators become P5 coordinators or Head Coaches. Head coaches who struggle become coordinators. P5 coordinators become G5 coordinators due to team struggles or coaching changes. Most (if not all) Assistant Coaches live on a series of one-year contracts with no guarantees. Successful coaches want bigger opportunities and want to make bigger money. That’s college football.

[AppStateNews]

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

You have absolutely 0 way of knowing that lol. You may feel that way, but you don’t know that.

I have no way of knowing what? That inconsistency at the HC position would cause more problems than we are currently seeing? Or that he's providing the consistency and cleaning up a mess?

“But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.“ No, you don’t know that lol.

Yes, I do. It's common sense. Unless, you mean to tell me changing head coaches every year is a good thing...

If you think 6 OCs in 6 years is bad.. imagine if it was the HC.

[MrCraig]

I would just like to interject one small thing. A lot of people keep saying we have "lost" 6 offensive coordinators in 6 years. That's true, but only sort of. A LOT of people, including myself, were calling for Tony Petersen to be fired at the end of the 2020 season. Fortunately, he was "poached" by Illinois. He was then fired by Illinois the next year, and has been the OC at Illinois State. Illinois State was not very good this year. Not every coach that we've "lost" was actually a loss.