Stink, Stank, Stunk, and a must win.

[AppStateMtneer]

The players know it. Clark knows it. Petersen knows it. Something has to change on the offensive side. And it's not the QB. Don't be surprised when we have a new play caller...

One can only dream

[yosef69]

We owe southern a serious stomping. Throw literally everything at them.

If we’re fortunate enough to go up a decent amount, keep throwing. I want to blow them out.

[AppStateNews]

The players know it. Clark knows it. Petersen knows it. Something has to change on the offensive side. And it's not the QB. Don't be surprised when we have a new play caller...

I know enough about you to know that if you are stating such dialogue that there is merit to what you are saying. And I am not defending Peterson at all. But if you were told before the season began that we would be without our WR1 all season, our RB2 would be lost for the season, our RB1, WR2 and WR3 would be hobbled and limited due to injury for the better part of the season. In turn, we would be operating with three Freshmen seeing more action at receiver than we were expecting and we our running game would be held together with a RS Soph coming off an ACL tear, and two True Freshmen, one who started the year as a 2nd team LB, that you would give a bit more grace to the offensive output? Not making excuses but c'mon man. We have been under attack from injuries all year. Compound that with the lack of off season work where these young guys could have gained some valuable time and experience with the playbook and reps. Is 7-3 at this point what I expected? NO. But given what we have seen and what we are working with, it isn't the end of the world. Just sayin.

And that is precisely the problem. He has not adjusted at all! He's trying to run the same exact plays over and over and they don't work with the injuries/inexperience we have on the field. As an OC, you need to adjust. Every team is dealing with injuries -- its football. If you know your outside receivers aren't winning the one on one battles and teams are going to stack the box, throw in other wrinkles. That is his job. He knows it too. He knows he's not calling good games right now.

To be fair, if we have a new play caller, I don't expect Petersen to be off staff....

[js290]

This is fair in regards to Petersen.....the biggest concern from my lens is the execution of the scheme we have to run due to the personnel challenges. Running wrong routes, fumbles, nonstop procedure penalties, throwing into double coverage repeatedly, etc. These are clear signs of lack of coaching and discipline, period, no excuse. Coastal might play a little dirty like we saw yesterday, but they do not make the little mistakes that always come back to bite, that is a glaring problem of ours. This Saturday in Statesboro might be the biggest game of the year in reality.....if it is the same of what we have watched pretty much all year, we should have have long term concerns on where this thing is headed.

[AppSt94]

The players know it. Clark knows it. Petersen knows it. Something has to change on the offensive side. And it's not the QB. Don't be surprised when we have a new play caller...

I know enough about you to know that if you are stating such dialogue that there is merit to what you are saying. And I am not defending Peterson at all. But if you were told before the season began that we would be without our WR1 all season, our RB2 would be lost for the season, our RB1, WR2 and WR3 would be hobbled and limited due to injury for the better part of the season. In turn, we would be operating with three Freshmen seeing more action at receiver than we were expecting and we our running game would be held together with a RS Soph coming off an ACL tear, and two True Freshmen, one who started the year as a 2nd team LB, that you would give a bit more grace to the offensive output? Not making excuses but c'mon man. We have been under attack from injuries all year. Compound that with the lack of off season work where these young guys could have gained some valuable time and experience with the playbook and reps. Is 7-3 at this point what I expected? NO. But given what we have seen and what we are working with, it isn't the end of the world. Just sayin.

And that is precisely the problem. He has not adjusted at all! He's trying to run the same exact plays over and over and they don't work with the injuries/inexperience we have on the field. As an OC, you need to adjust. Every team is dealing with injuries -- its football. If you know your outside receivers aren't winning the one on one battles and teams are going to stack the box, throw in other wrinkles. That is his job. He knows it too. He knows he's not calling good games right now.

To be fair, if we have a new play caller, I don't expect Petersen to be off staff....

Not trying to argue with you to be right. You know your stuff and what you are saying makes sense under normal circumstances. But I have to counterpoint you on the adjustment piece. Operating with so many young pieces, have they had enough time to fully absorb the playbook from the stance that they can implement on the fly? The guys that we are using on the outside aren't there physically to win the one on ones consistently. Especially against more experienced corners. So how are we supposed to adjust without drawing plays up in the dirt? I get it, that is his job. But the lack of interaction with these guys on the practice field to fully understand what they are capable of is a bit of operating with one hand behind your back.

i would also contend that whether you change play callers or not, next year will see an improvement of execution for these young guys as they will have some experience.

[WataugaMan]

"I consider this Stink game to be more important than whatever bowl we get."

I have to agree, and our team (top to bottom) probably realizes this as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, to date we have only defeated one team with a winning record (Georgia State). If we go down there and stumble all over ourselves again heaven help us.

Yep. This is the last chance we have to put some lipstick on this pig of a lost season. At this point, I am not optimistic.

If we lose this coming Saturday it's going to be a looooooong off season, regardless of the bowl situation.

[BambooRdApp]

The players know it. Clark knows it. Petersen knows it. Something has to change on the offensive side. And it's not the QB. Don't be surprised when we have a new play caller...

I know enough about you to know that if you are stating such dialogue that there is merit to what you are saying. And I am not defending Peterson at all. But if you were told before the season began that we would be without our WR1 all season, our RB2 would be lost for the season, our RB1, WR2 and WR3 would be hobbled and limited due to injury for the better part of the season. In turn, we would be operating with three Freshmen seeing more action at receiver than we were expecting and we our running game would be held together with a RS Soph coming off an ACL tear, and two True Freshmen, one who started the year as a 2nd team LB, that you would give a bit more grace to the offensive output? Not making excuses but c'mon man. We have been under attack from injuries all year. Compound that with the lack of off season work where these young guys could have gained some valuable time and experience with the playbook and reps. Is 7-3 at this point what I expected? NO. But given what we have seen and what we are working with, it isn't the end of the world. Just sayin.

And that is precisely the problem. He has not adjusted at all! He's trying to run the same exact plays over and over and they don't work with the injuries/inexperience we have on the field. As an OC, you need to adjust. Every team is dealing with injuries -- its football. If you know your outside receivers aren't winning the one on one battles and teams are going to stack the box, throw in other wrinkles. That is his job. He knows it too. He knows he's not calling good games right now.

To be fair, if we have a new play caller, I don't expect Petersen to be off staff....

Not trying to argue with you to be right. You know your stuff and what you are saying makes sense under normal circumstances. But I have to counterpoint you on the adjustment piece. Operating with so many young pieces, have they had enough time to fully absorb the playbook from the stance that they can implement on the fly? The guys that we are using on the outside aren't there physically to win the one on ones consistently. Especially against more experienced corners. So how are we supposed to adjust without drawing plays up in the dirt? I get it, that is his job. But the lack of interaction with these guys on the practice field to fully understand what they are capable of is a bit of operating with one hand behind your back.

i would also contend that whether you change play callers or not, next year will see an improvement of execution for these young guys as they will have some experience.

Not sure I totally agree as we may have a QB that has seen little or no game action. If new QB is the real deal, progress will be seen. If not, inconsistency will continue unless OC puts QB in position to be successful. This to me means not having a plain vanilla passing game.

[AppSt94]

Assuming that we get back to some normal football operations in 2012, you will see cohesion between the new QB and the young WR group as they will be able to work on route running and timing during the off season. That is something that was lacking with no summer workouts and it is showing.

[AppStateNews]

The players know it. Clark knows it. Petersen knows it. Something has to change on the offensive side. And it's not the QB. Don't be surprised when we have a new play caller...

I know enough about you to know that if you are stating such dialogue that there is merit to what you are saying. And I am not defending Peterson at all. But if you were told before the season began that we would be without our WR1 all season, our RB2 would be lost for the season, our RB1, WR2 and WR3 would be hobbled and limited due to injury for the better part of the season. In turn, we would be operating with three Freshmen seeing more action at receiver than we were expecting and we our running game would be held together with a RS Soph coming off an ACL tear, and two True Freshmen, one who started the year as a 2nd team LB, that you would give a bit more grace to the offensive output? Not making excuses but c'mon man. We have been under attack from injuries all year. Compound that with the lack of off season work where these young guys could have gained some valuable time and experience with the playbook and reps. Is 7-3 at this point what I expected? NO. But given what we have seen and what we are working with, it isn't the end of the world. Just sayin.

And that is precisely the problem. He has not adjusted at all! He's trying to run the same exact plays over and over and they don't work with the injuries/inexperience we have on the field. As an OC, you need to adjust. Every team is dealing with injuries -- its football. If you know your outside receivers aren't winning the one on one battles and teams are going to stack the box, throw in other wrinkles. That is his job. He knows it too. He knows he's not calling good games right now.

To be fair, if we have a new play caller, I don't expect Petersen to be off staff....

Not trying to argue with you to be right. You know your stuff and what you are saying makes sense under normal circumstances. But I have to counterpoint you on the adjustment piece. Operating with so many young pieces, have they had enough time to fully absorb the playbook from the stance that they can implement on the fly? The guys that we are using on the outside aren't there physically to win the one on ones consistently. Especially against more experienced corners. So how are we supposed to adjust without drawing plays up in the dirt? I get it, that is his job. But the lack of interaction with these guys on the practice field to fully understand what they are capable of is a bit of operating with one hand behind your back.

i would also contend that whether you change play callers or not, next year will see an improvement of execution for these young guys as they will have some experience.

At this point, it's not on the fly. We have one regular season game left. I was giving benefit of the doubt early in the season for what you are saying. But, by now, he has to have other ways to get the guys open. And he doesn't. Maybe it's a factor of the receivers not understanding it, but either way, at this point in the season if it's not working with the personnel he has available to him, he has to find something that will work with that personnel.

Again, Clark knows it, Petersen knows it, the players know it. Everyone knows they have to do better than they are. And I trust they will get it fixed. I also would not be surprised to see someone else more involved in the play calling the rest of the season.

[appstate24]

The players know it. Clark knows it. Petersen knows it. Something has to change on the offensive side. And it's not the QB. Don't be surprised when we have a new play caller...

I know enough about you to know that if you are stating such dialogue that there is merit to what you are saying. And I am not defending Peterson at all. But if you were told before the season began that we would be without our WR1 all season, our RB2 would be lost for the season, our RB1, WR2 and WR3 would be hobbled and limited due to injury for the better part of the season. In turn, we would be operating with three Freshmen seeing more action at receiver than we were expecting and we our running game would be held together with a RS Soph coming off an ACL tear, and two True Freshmen, one who started the year as a 2nd team LB, that you would give a bit more grace to the offensive output? Not making excuses but c'mon man. We have been under attack from injuries all year. Compound that with the lack of off season work where these young guys could have gained some valuable time and experience with the playbook and reps. Is 7-3 at this point what I expected? NO. But given what we have seen and what we are working with, it isn't the end of the world. Just sayin.

And that is precisely the problem. He has not adjusted at all! He's trying to run the same exact plays over and over and they don't work with the injuries/inexperience we have on the field. As an OC, you need to adjust. Every team is dealing with injuries -- its football. If you know your outside receivers aren't winning the one on one battles and teams are going to stack the box, throw in other wrinkles. That is his job. He knows it too. He knows he's not calling good games right now.

To be fair, if we have a new play caller, I don't expect Petersen to be off staff....

Not trying to argue with you to be right. You know your stuff and what you are saying makes sense under normal circumstances. But I have to counterpoint you on the adjustment piece. Operating with so many young pieces, have they had enough time to fully absorb the playbook from the stance that they can implement on the fly? The guys that we are using on the outside aren't there physically to win the one on ones consistently. Especially against more experienced corners. So how are we supposed to adjust without drawing plays up in the dirt? I get it, that is his job. But the lack of interaction with these guys on the practice field to fully understand what they are capable of is a bit of operating with one hand behind your back.

i would also contend that whether you change play callers or not, next year will see an improvement of execution for these young guys as they will have some experience.

At this point, it's not on the fly. We have one regular season game left. I was giving benefit of the doubt early in the season for what you are saying. But, by now, he has to have other ways to get the guys open. And he doesn't. Maybe it's a factor of the receivers not understanding it, but either way, at this point in the season if it's not working with the personnel he has available to him, he has to find something that will work with that personnel.

Again, Clark knows it, Petersen knows it, the players know it. Everyone knows they have to do better than they are. And I trust they will get it fixed. I also would not be surprised to see someone else more involved in the play calling the rest of the season.

I’ve often wondered if Watts had the chops to be a play caller.

GO APPS!!

[Neer86]

it's fair to say the virus situation and injuries may have affected ASU more than most, it really is.

But the OC has got to take what he has and run a scheme to succeed on what his players can do. Any position coach can run the offense over and over, the OC has the responsibility to change the offense if it doesn't work.

[yosef69]

The players know it. Clark knows it. Petersen knows it. Something has to change on the offensive side. And it's not the QB. Don't be surprised when we have a new play caller...

I know enough about you to know that if you are stating such dialogue that there is merit to what you are saying. And I am not defending Peterson at all. But if you were told before the season began that we would be without our WR1 all season, our RB2 would be lost for the season, our RB1, WR2 and WR3 would be hobbled and limited due to injury for the better part of the season. In turn, we would be operating with three Freshmen seeing more action at receiver than we were expecting and we our running game would be held together with a RS Soph coming off an ACL tear, and two True Freshmen, one who started the year as a 2nd team LB, that you would give a bit more grace to the offensive output? Not making excuses but c'mon man. We have been under attack from injuries all year. Compound that with the lack of off season work where these young guys could have gained some valuable time and experience with the playbook and reps. Is 7-3 at this point what I expected? NO. But given what we have seen and what we are working with, it isn't the end of the world. Just sayin.

And that is precisely the problem. He has not adjusted at all! He's trying to run the same exact plays over and over and they don't work with the injuries/inexperience we have on the field. As an OC, you need to adjust. Every team is dealing with injuries -- its football. If you know your outside receivers aren't winning the one on one battles and teams are going to stack the box, throw in other wrinkles. That is his job. He knows it too. He knows he's not calling good games right now.

To be fair, if we have a new play caller, I don't expect Petersen to be off staff....

Not trying to argue with you to be right. You know your stuff and what you are saying makes sense under normal circumstances. But I have to counterpoint you on the adjustment piece. Operating with so many young pieces, have they had enough time to fully absorb the playbook from the stance that they can implement on the fly? The guys that we are using on the outside aren't there physically to win the one on ones consistently. Especially against more experienced corners. So how are we supposed to adjust without drawing plays up in the dirt? I get it, that is his job. But the lack of interaction with these guys on the practice field to fully understand what they are capable of is a bit of operating with one hand behind your back.

i would also contend that whether you change play callers or not, next year will see an improvement of execution for these young guys as they will have some experience.

At this point, it's not on the fly. We have one regular season game left. I was giving benefit of the doubt early in the season for what you are saying. But, by now, he has to have other ways to get the guys open. And he doesn't. Maybe it's a factor of the receivers not understanding it, but either way, at this point in the season if it's not working with the personnel he has available to him, he has to find something that will work with that personnel.

Again, Clark knows it, Petersen knows it, the players know it. Everyone knows they have to do better than they are. And I trust they will get it fixed. I also would not be surprised to see someone else more involved in the play calling the rest of the season.

Seems the only person “qualified” to call plays would be Clark, no?

[appstate77]

Let's be careful what we post. I'm sure Stink trolls our MB.

[AppSt94]

Let's be careful what we post. I'm sure Stink trolls our MB.

Not to worry. Any words with more than two syllables confuses them.

[huskie3]

Huesman signals the plays in, just start him and let him call on field in
Hurry-up mode.

[Yosef84]

I think I noted a comment that Ga Southern owns ZT. We have lost last two. Wasn't he injured early in the first game. If this is true, the first game is not on him. I was at last years Halloween game. After we had two drop passes right in WRs hands, Drink abandoned the pass game until we got behind. Just my two cents.

Thank you! The 2018 game isn't on Zac. He played 3 downs in that game, if I recall correctly, before being knocked out of the game by an un-called late hit. Last year was a nasty weather anomaly where the whole team looked flat as a pancake. I acknowledge that Zac has looked out of synch at times this year and I could speculate, but I won't. I do not believe it is a lack of desire. Unless he is hurt, Zac will play and I am pulling for him to play at the top of his game.

Just my opinion but the offensive struggles are not as simple as some folks want to paint them. The only factors we know for certain are the absent or incurred players. Speculation about the impact of coaching, transition year, COVID breaks & limitations, and general declines are potentially valid but they are speculative. The truth is that all of these factors are probably involved. One thing I don't see thrown out often that I believe is a significant factor is that our OL hasn't been consistent at all. The common factor in all three losses is that the opposing D was getting into our backfield VERY quickly! We have a new OL coach and he's an App guy. I'm not trying to throw Cardwell under the bus either, but he and Clark are both in learning curves. I think Clark will coach Cardwell up during the off season and he will become a great one (homer opinion) but he isn't there yet.

One last comment...there's a reason that most teams seem to cycle up and down. Very few have maintained the consistency of App State, especially at the G5 level. I'm frustrated with this season also and I understand that we've under performed. Nobody knows that more than the guys playing on Saturday, so I would wager this season becomes a spring board back up (see the improvement from 2004 to 2005 season). We are truly fortunately that 3 losses is all it takes for our program to call it a disappointing season!

GO APPS!

[JTApps1]

Winning this game AND a bowl game are a must for this season to be considered anything but a failure.

But we cannot realistically like our chances. No team owns Zac Thomas like Georgia Southern. And they are actually a tough side this year. Lost by 2 to Louisiana (without any bad long snapper snapps or free safety points), loat to Coastal by 14. They are 6-4 and just beat FAU.

Regardless of lines, they should be favored slightly at home. They own Zac and we are in disarray. If we win it doesn't mean much and if we lose its devastating for the future of the program.

Good thing is they have alot of injuries and hopefully Clark will recognize the necessity to try Huesman.

The own Zac? He played 3 snaps against them in 2018, and last year nobody was throwing in the worst weather we may have had.

[NewApp]

Winning this game AND a bowl game are a must for this season to be considered anything but a failure.

But we cannot realistically like our chances. No team owns Zac Thomas like Georgia Southern. And they are actually a tough side this year. Lost by 2 to Louisiana (without any bad long snapper snapps or free safety points), loat to Coastal by 14. They are 6-4 and just beat FAU.

Regardless of lines, they should be favored slightly at home. They own Zac and we are in disarray. If we win it doesn't mean much and if we lose its devastating for the future of the program.

Good thing is they have alot of injuries and hopefully Clark will recognize the necessity to try Huesman.

Not sure but it seems like Huesman appeared in at least one game for us this season.

[NewApp]

"I consider this Stink game to be more important than whatever bowl we get."

I have to agree, and our team (top to bottom) probably realizes this as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, to date we have only defeated one team with a winning record (Georgia State). If we go down there and stumble all over ourselves again heaven help us.

Yep. This is the last chance we have to put some lipstick on this pig of a lost season. At this point, I am not optimistic.

If we lose this coming Saturday it's going to be a looooooong off season, regardless of the bowl situation.

Negative much, Watauga Man?

[Yosef84]

This Saturday is a very important game. We absolutely need to stop our skid against GS. That said....EVERY game is a "must win" for App. That's why this board melts down EVERY time we lose.

GO APPS!