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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by bcoach » Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:06 pm

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bcoach wrote:I just can't see complaining about the schedule. This not a tough conference by any stretch. I thought we came to play better competition. I want to play the most difficult schedule in the conference.

I don't mid playing a tough schedule. But when we are playing the toughest schedule in the league for TWO seasons while the Stink is playing the easiest, I think there is room for a little complaining. I really don't like unbalanced scheduling but it is what it is for now. when we have divisions and a championship game, it will shake out. In the meantime, with A State rotating off and NMSU and Texas State coming on, we're looking at things easing up for us significantly next year. Granted Troy and GA State seem to be trending up.
I don't know it just sounds like whimpering to me. We are supposed to be the anyone anywhere guys. If we are not confident in playing the toughest SB schedule what are we doing at Clemson and Michigan. Why do some want Car----- to come here. I think GS needs the break after having to play us. ;)

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by JTApps1 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:58 pm

Losing stAte and USA and replacing them with Tx State and NMSU would be a huge drop in SOS for us. It'd still be harder than what Southern has played the past two years though.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by T-Dog » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:13 pm

Next year the home schedule will have Georgia State, New Mexico State and Idaho.

I can understand why Gillin went after Miami a lot more.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:21 pm

Every team that has announced who it is dropping has announced one home and one away opponent from this years schedule. It will be either USA or ULM.


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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:23 am

bcoach wrote:
AppinATL wrote:
bcoach wrote:I just can't see complaining about the schedule. This not a tough conference by any stretch. I thought we came to play better competition. I want to play the most difficult schedule in the conference.

I don't mid playing a tough schedule. But when we are playing the toughest schedule in the league for TWO seasons while the Stink is playing the easiest, I think there is room for a little complaining. I really don't like unbalanced scheduling but it is what it is for now. when we have divisions and a championship game, it will shake out. In the meantime, with A State rotating off and NMSU and Texas State coming on, we're looking at things easing up for us significantly next year. Granted Troy and GA State seem to be trending up.
I don't know it just sounds like whimpering to me. We are supposed to be the anyone anywhere guys. If we are not confident in playing the toughest SB schedule what are we doing at Clemson and Michigan. Why do some want Car----- to come here. I think GS needs the break after having to play us. ;)
We're in a league that decides its champion entirely with regular season play - no championship game - and some teams play markedly easier schedules than others. Pretty simple really. I do want us to play the other top Sun Belt teams; I just want them to play each other too.

We're likely looking at the second straight year where one team goes 8-0 and didn't play another team that went 7-1. League title doesn't mean much when the best teams don't all play one another.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:52 am

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bcoach wrote:
AppinATL wrote:
bcoach wrote:I just can't see complaining about the schedule. This not a tough conference by any stretch. I thought we came to play better competition. I want to play the most difficult schedule in the conference.

I don't mid playing a tough schedule. But when we are playing the toughest schedule in the league for TWO seasons while the Stink is playing the easiest, I think there is room for a little complaining. I really don't like unbalanced scheduling but it is what it is for now. when we have divisions and a championship game, it will shake out. In the meantime, with A State rotating off and NMSU and Texas State coming on, we're looking at things easing up for us significantly next year. Granted Troy and GA State seem to be trending up.
I don't know it just sounds like whimpering to me. We are supposed to be the anyone anywhere guys. If we are not confident in playing the toughest SB schedule what are we doing at Clemson and Michigan. Why do some want Car----- to come here. I think GS needs the break after having to play us. ;)
We're in a league that decides its champion entirely with regular season play - no championship game - and some teams play markedly easier schedules than others. Pretty simple really. I do want us to play the other top Sun Belt teams; I just want them to play each other too.

We're likely looking at the second straight year where one team goes 8-0 and didn't play another team that went 7-1. League title doesn't mean much when the best teams don't all play one another.
I completely agree. If we happen to drop Ark St next year and pick up NMSU and Texas State and drop another mid tier conference foe we could easily win the conference, assuming that Stink and Ark State play each other. We could go 8-0 with Ark State or Stink finishing 7-1; thus three straight years with an "unbalanced" champion being crowned. What a joke that would be even if we are the champs. Until this is fixed there will be someone yelling about the champ not playing everyone. If Stink and Ark State played next week we could be looking at a three way tie for the championship provided Stink could knock them off.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by bcoach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:08 am

EastHallApp wrote:
bcoach wrote:
AppinATL wrote:
bcoach wrote:I just can't see complaining about the schedule. This not a tough conference by any stretch. I thought we came to play better competition. I want to play the most difficult schedule in the conference.

I don't mid playing a tough schedule. But when we are playing the toughest schedule in the league for TWO seasons while the Stink is playing the easiest, I think there is room for a little complaining. I really don't like unbalanced scheduling but it is what it is for now. when we have divisions and a championship game, it will shake out. In the meantime, with A State rotating off and NMSU and Texas State coming on, we're looking at things easing up for us significantly next year. Granted Troy and GA State seem to be trending up.
I don't know it just sounds like whimpering to me. We are supposed to be the anyone anywhere guys. If we are not confident in playing the toughest SB schedule what are we doing at Clemson and Michigan. Why do some want Car----- to come here. I think GS needs the break after having to play us. ;)
We're in a league that decides its champion entirely with regular season play - no championship game - and some teams play markedly easier schedules than others. Pretty simple really. I do want us to play the other top Sun Belt teams; I just want them to play each other too.

We're likely looking at the second straight year where one team goes 8-0 and didn't play another team that went 7-1. League title doesn't mean much when the best teams don't all play one another.
So what would you do? We have 3 solid teams and then the rest. It is never going to be equal. If we are going to do this thing let's do it. If we are in the Sun Belt we need the toughest schedule we can get if we are looking for respect.
Now don't get me wrong. The problem with the unspoken word is that it gets misinterpreted. I don't mean this to be argumentative. I agree with your comment on league title but do we want to win it without the very toughest schedule we can get? Yes stAte will probably win it this year but they had to beat us to do it and I have my doubts they could do it again next week. Maybe I am just crazy but after this years schedule I just can't complain.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by appfanz » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:17 am

I guess you can say it's just a scheduling quirk. Look at Iowa probably going undefeated in the big 10 not playing Michigan, Michigan state, or Ohio state. The difference there though is that they do have the championship game where they will have to prove themselves.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:25 am

bcoach wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
bcoach wrote:
AppinATL wrote:
bcoach wrote:I just can't see complaining about the schedule. This not a tough conference by any stretch. I thought we came to play better competition. I want to play the most difficult schedule in the conference.

I don't mid playing a tough schedule. But when we are playing the toughest schedule in the league for TWO seasons while the Stink is playing the easiest, I think there is room for a little complaining. I really don't like unbalanced scheduling but it is what it is for now. when we have divisions and a championship game, it will shake out. In the meantime, with A State rotating off and NMSU and Texas State coming on, we're looking at things easing up for us significantly next year. Granted Troy and GA State seem to be trending up.
I don't know it just sounds like whimpering to me. We are supposed to be the anyone anywhere guys. If we are not confident in playing the toughest SB schedule what are we doing at Clemson and Michigan. Why do some want Car----- to come here. I think GS needs the break after having to play us. ;)
We're in a league that decides its champion entirely with regular season play - no championship game - and some teams play markedly easier schedules than others. Pretty simple really. I do want us to play the other top Sun Belt teams; I just want them to play each other too.

We're likely looking at the second straight year where one team goes 8-0 and didn't play another team that went 7-1. League title doesn't mean much when the best teams don't all play one another.
So what would you do? We have 3 solid teams and then the rest. It is never going to be equal. If we are going to do this thing let's do it. If we are in the Sun Belt we need the toughest schedule we can get if we are looking for respect.
Now don't get me wrong. The problem with the unspoken word is that it gets misinterpreted. I don't mean this to be argumentative. I agree with your comment on league title but do we want to win it without the very toughest schedule we can get? Yes stAte will probably win it this year but they had to beat us to do it and I have my doubts they could do it again next week. Maybe I am just crazy but after this years schedule I just can't complain.
I want us to win it with the toughest schedule so that we have a better shot at a New Year's Day Bowl. Personally I don't care what fans from the other schools would say. I agree with folks who say that "my team just played who was scheduled". We all know that for the most part the current top three teams should remain strong for years to come. Troy, South Alabama and UL LA LA have the potential to get to the top but, in my mind are perennial second tier teams. Idaho, Texas State, Monroe are dumpster fires. GA State and NMSU are 5-7 type teams unless they can load up on JUCO's and make some type of noise once in a while. The only way this thing gets settled somewhat is a 12 school conference with a championship game. Even then won't Stink be in our side with Ark State on the other side with mostly crappy teams? I guess the same argument can be made in most any conference. All that said, I will be fine with whatever happens as long as we win!

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by JTApps1 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:28 am

One easy way to fix this is to drop Idaho and NMSU after 2017 then go to 9 league games. It will cut out one OOC game for everyone, but it would eliminate all this conference SOS discussion. Not to mention getting rid of those two teams would boost the conference RPI immediately.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:04 am

bcoach wrote: So what would you do? We have 3 solid teams and then the rest. It is never going to be equal. If we are going to do this thing let's do it. If we are in the Sun Belt we need the toughest schedule we can get if we are looking for respect.
Ideally what I would do - or see the conference do - is make sure all the expected top teams play one another rather than randomizing the schedules. Of course there's always the chance someone would surprise - not many people saw Southern and App coming last year - but I think it would be an improvement.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by AppScott89 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:14 pm

Don't forget about Coastal Carolina. In 2017, we will be a 12 member league with a championship game. Then, just like Iowa, Even if one side is weaker than the other they still have to play in the championship game. In this scenario, I would like to see us play the 5 teams in your division plus 3 in the other division. With the other division rotating every year. That way you play every one in a 2 year cycle.

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AppScott89 wrote:Don't forget about Coastal Carolina. In 2017, we will be a 12 member league with a championship game. Then, just like Iowa, Even if one side is weaker than the other they still have to play in the championship game. In this scenario, I would like to see us play the 5 teams in your division plus 3 in the other division. With the other division rotating every year. That way you play every one in a 2 year cycle.
I think some people are forgetting this. And I like the rotation you mentioned so that we can start/keep rivalries going into the future. The SunBelt is going to be what we make of it. Might as well make it as entertaining as possible!
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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:43 pm

MountaineerMafia wrote:
AppScott89 wrote:Don't forget about Coastal Carolina. In 2017, we will be a 12 member league with a championship game. Then, just like Iowa, Even if one side is weaker than the other they still have to play in the championship game. In this scenario, I would like to see us play the 5 teams in your division plus 3 in the other division. With the other division rotating every year. That way you play every one in a 2 year cycle.
I think some people are forgetting this. And I like the rotation you mentioned so that we can start/keep rivalries going into the future. The SunBelt is going to be what we make of it. Might as well make it as entertaining as possible!
Not forgetting it, but it's far from guaranteed that Idaho and NM State will still be in the league then.

Plus, a shorter-term fix would have been nice, considering we've already had badly unbalanced schedules two years in a row.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by bcoach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:01 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
bcoach wrote: So what would you do? We have 3 solid teams and then the rest. It is never going to be equal. If we are going to do this thing let's do it. If we are in the Sun Belt we need the toughest schedule we can get if we are looking for respect.
Ideally what I would do - or see the conference do - is make sure all the expected top teams play one another rather than randomizing the schedules. Of course there's always the chance someone would surprise - not many people saw Southern and App coming last year - but I think it would be an improvement.
Yes try and get the top teams and actually it may be a little easier going forward. As you say GS and APP were a bit of a surprise. As is stated above 12 teams will solve the problem but that is predicated on actually getting to 12 and staying there. I am not really sure we will keep two of the teams.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by AppinVA » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:35 pm

I have no issue keeping the league at 12, as long as we don't have to play NM State and Idaho on the road twice in the same season.
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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by bcoach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:35 pm

AppinVA wrote:I have no issue keeping the league at 12, as long as we don't have to play NM State and Idaho on the road twice in the same season.
I agree. AppScott89 has the idea and you just make it so you don't travel NM and Idaho who would be in the other division in the same year. If they do in fact leave, I would hope we replace them with someone a little more central to the conference.
I would love to see a conference championship.

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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by NewApp » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:51 am

hotrod2001 wrote:I would think we would rotate some teams out so we play TX State and NM State. And for the love of football will the SB schedule GASO and stAte for once? We've had the toughest schedule of the league the past two seasons having to play them both and neither have had the pleasure to reciprocate.
I don't understand how we have such a tough schedule when we have played 7 teams with below .500 records. Of course we did play the AP number 1 school in the nation.
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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by NewApp » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:54 am

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AppinVA wrote:I have no issue keeping the league at 12, as long as we don't have to play NM State and Idaho on the road twice in the same season.
I agree. AppScott89 has the idea and you just make it so you don't travel NM and Idaho who would be in the other division in the same year. If they do in fact leave, I would hope we replace them with someone a little more central to the conference.
I would love to see a conference championship.
Well, at least we are getting Coastal Carolina.
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Re: Idaho to remain on App's schedule

Unread post by hapapp » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:56 am

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hotrod2001 wrote:I would think we would rotate some teams out so we play TX State and NM State. And for the love of football will the SB schedule GASO and stAte for once? We've had the toughest schedule of the league the past two seasons having to play them both and neither have had the pleasure to reciprocate.
I don't understand how we have such a tough schedule when we have played 7 teams with below .500 records. Of course we did play the AP number 1 school in the nation.
Talking in conference not overall. We play the perceived top 3 in Ga Southern, A State, and ULL. Those folks don't all play each other. And for the record, I believe it's 6 sub .500 teams.

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