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Re: ASU @ Louisiana-Monroe 3 PM EST Fant-Ewing Coliseum

Unread post by asu66 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:26 pm

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asu66 wrote:What you're saying makes sense up to the point where the coach has to play the negative role of "Indian-giver" and take back a benefit players believe they have earned. I know, I know--contract-wise in the NCAA, scholarships are awarded one year at a time and must be renewed annually.
Yes, technically all athletic scholarships are annually renewable, but that's not really what we're talking about. An athlete who's recruited on scholarship certainly expects to have that scholarship available for the duration of his eligibility.

What I was referring to - and again, I don't know if this is what Fox did with Clarke and Goesling - is when a coach has an available scholarship at the start of the season, he can approach a walk-on and offer him that free ride for one year. There is nothing promised or implied beyond that year. It's a bonus - the coach chooses to give a kid a free year when the alternative was to not use the scholarship at all. But it's always understood that the coach will not be holding that spot for him in future years, so he's not "taking back" anything.
I don't want to belabor my point. I just know kids. Some, not all, would be upset (as would their parents) that a benefit was being taken away that a player or players believe he or they had earned. I have tremendous faith and trust in Coach Fox. If, or when, this scenario arises, I'm confident he will handle it like a pro and that our players will take it in stride like mature adults. Our players and coaches, alike, want to be part of a championship program. This just might be one of the sacrifices that has to be made to achieve that goal.
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Re: ASU @ Louisiana-Monroe 3 PM EST Fant-Ewing Coliseum

Unread post by JTApps1 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:29 pm

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T-Dog wrote:Clarke got a scholarship over the summer.

V/C shows that Goesling is the fourth scholarship player. He was added after the signing period so I don't know if he is or not.

Tab is still on scholarship as it's important for him to graduate.

I'll ask Fox tonight to confirm one way or the other.
Yeah, please check it out. By my count, Clarke and Goesling put us at 13. With Hamilton and Spagnolo leaving and Logan and Shabazz arriving; we'll still be at 13. Unless a scholarship player transfers over the summer, we're done with '15 recruiting. The reason I question Clarke and Goesling is that Coach Fox is still making offers to '15 prospects. I reference the two JuCo kids (Moneke and Vanhook) and the kid at Huntington Prep (Cook) who plays with Shabazz.

One scary way that it could work is IF either Logan or Shabazz fail to qualify or if one of 'em pulls a "dat kid dtae" move on us and requests a release.
I was always under the impression that Goesling was on Scholarship. Perhaps either he or Clarke are getting academic $$$?

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Re: ASU @ Louisiana-Monroe 3 PM EST Fant-Ewing Coliseum

Unread post by JTApps1 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:39 pm

asu66 wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
asu66 wrote:What you're saying makes sense up to the point where the coach has to play the negative role of "Indian-giver" and take back a benefit players believe they have earned. I know, I know--contract-wise in the NCAA, scholarships are awarded one year at a time and must be renewed annually.
Yes, technically all athletic scholarships are annually renewable, but that's not really what we're talking about. An athlete who's recruited on scholarship certainly expects to have that scholarship available for the duration of his eligibility.

What I was referring to - and again, I don't know if this is what Fox did with Clarke and Goesling - is when a coach has an available scholarship at the start of the season, he can approach a walk-on and offer him that free ride for one year. There is nothing promised or implied beyond that year. It's a bonus - the coach chooses to give a kid a free year when the alternative was to not use the scholarship at all. But it's always understood that the coach will not be holding that spot for him in future years, so he's not "taking back" anything.
I don't want to belabor my point. I just know kids. Some, not all, would be upset (as would their parents) that a benefit was being taken away that a player or players believe he or they had earned. I have tremendous faith and trust in Coach Fox. If, or when, this scenario arises, I'm confident he will handle it like a pro and that our players will take it in stride like mature adults. Our players and coaches, alike, want to be part of a championship program. This just might be one of the sacrifices that has to be made to achieve that goal.
I'm sure it will be fine as long as everyone knew it was for one year only. Personally I would be thrilled to get 1 year free if I knew I was a walk on.

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