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Re: Woody

Unread post by T-Dog » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:51 am

I feel like for a while, Woody was getting a bad rap. He started youth to build to the future and was dealing with older players who weren't what App needs.

This game was inexcusable. He failed. Couldn't get pressure on the QB, gave buffer zones to WR's for some insane reason and let them establish rushing attack late in the game.

Defense has gotten worse since SoMiss. He had 48 points to work with and couldn't get his players to get the job done.

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Re: Woody

Unread post by App91 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:49 pm

sixtoes9134 wrote:
mtnjax wrote:I almost hate to say it, but fire Woody and hand the reigns back over to Dale Jones

he at least ran a decent 3-4 scheme for us a couple years back
Not true, he tried it, it didn't work and switched back to 4-3
Ding, ding, we have a winner. How Woody is still on staff today is beside me. If Scott wants to do something to settle the masses, its this. Hell at this point I would take UNC's DC, it would not be worse.

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Re: Woody

Unread post by T-Dog » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:08 pm

Here's an amazing stat from the game. From 11:47 left in the second to 0:23 left in the third, the defense didn't allow an offensive TD. A game period of over 27 minutes. There were a couple field goals and the fumble return for six, but nothing else.

They did allow five touchdowns over the other 33 minutes, but I thought I'd share that nugget.

1-2 more forced turnovers a game would do wonders. I do wonder if the line would get more pressure on the QB if they went to a 4-3?

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Re: Woody

Unread post by boonetown1 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:39 pm

Personally, I don't think Woody is a bad DC. However, I do think he is kind of in over is head. As some on here have said, he was use to being in a run happy league with an offense that ate a lot of time. The more I watch sunbelt teams, I see various versions of a spread with more emphasis on the throw. Saying that, I don't see him making the necessary adjustments for this team. Hence why we are generally pretty good with the run but not the pass. Some of this is due to experience but a event DC should be able to scheme a little better to help out our young DB's.

Dale Jones seemed to be better against the pass than the run...

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Unread post by Dmanuhone » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:36 pm

Asking again, how long is Woddie's contract?
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Re: Woody

Unread post by T-Dog » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:47 pm

Those clamoring for Dale Jones to be DC are insane. He was made DC in a panic after Wiley left and was mediocre. He had a talent-rich lineup and didn't do much with it.

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Re: Woody

Unread post by WataugaMan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:51 am

T-Dog wrote:1-2 more forced turnovers a game would do wonders.
And 1-2 less fumbles on our part would too. By the way, I hear Upshaw will be the starter this week.

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Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:23 am

If nothing else, Satt needs to make Woody get his but up in the box. How is he calling defensive plays from the sidelines while his position coaches are also on the sidelines.
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Re: Woody

Unread post by app97 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:37 am

a heck of alot of folks on here were excited about Woody when he was hired. I actually thought he would create a pretty stout/disciplined defense at App simply because Wofford's teams were normally one of the more disciplined teams that we played.

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Re: Woody

Unread post by SpeedkingATL » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:08 am

Hard to understand why the App defense has been so bad but as a casual observer I would say that the combination of no pass rush and very soft coverage is a bad combination. Liberty could complete 5-8 yard passes all day. Last year at Georgia, App moved the ball well the 1st half against UGA because of a somewhat weak pass rush and soft coverage (though they got tougher in the red zone). In the second half UGA started blitzing and went to tight press coverage on the outside and totally stopped App. I realize we don't have the athletes that UGA does but adjustments can be made during the game to naturalize what the opponent is doing well. App does not adjust and plays the same vanilla D constantly. A 3-4 should be unpredictable but Apps is totally predictable in most cases.

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Re: Woody

Unread post by moehler » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:15 am

I think you hit the nail on the head, Woody's defenses at Wofford were always discipline, and fundamentally sound, they didn't have the best athletes, but it really didn't matter, because they made up for it by playing really smart football. I thought with our talent, and his coaching we would see fundamentally sound defense by this time, but to be honest, the defense doesn't look much better than when he took over. I hope the problem is just temporary, that its just growing pains learning the 3-4 defense, or we are playing alot of freshman, or a combination of both, but, whether your a supporter or not, you have to be worried about where the defense is going.

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Re: Woody

Unread post by boonetown1 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:03 am

Just to be clear I am not saying Jones would be a better defense of Cordinator right now. Just saying, he seemed to have a better pass defense than we currently have.

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Re: Woody

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:51 pm

Look, I am with everyone who realizes our defense needs to improve - HOWEVER, there is one fact which I haven't seen mentioned here - Coach Woody has had only one year to recruit his players - when he came on board in Jan '13 there were no defensive commits after that point --- So, his only recruited players are the true freshmen who are on the team this season - Based on that, I would say he off to a good start to getting players as we have 5 true freshmen now playing with 4 starting - LBs Stringer and Boggs, DBs Howard and Gibbs and DE-Benson --- Just like Coach Satterfield, Coach Woody needs time to get his players ---
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Re: Woody

Unread post by huskie3 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:31 pm

moehler wrote:I think you hit the nail on the head, Woody's defenses at Wofford were always discipline, and fundamentally sound, they didn't have the best athletes, but it really didn't matter, because they made up for it by playing really smart football. I thought with our talent, and his coaching we would see fundamentally sound defense by this time, but to be honest, the defense doesn't look much better than when he took over. I hope the problem is just temporary, that its just growing pains learning the 3-4 defense, or we are playing alot of freshman, or a combination of both, but, whether your a supporter or not, you have to be worried about where the defense is going.
This is the best answer I have seen so far. The 3-4 involves a lot of reads for the LBs. In essence the whole D is OTJ training. You can drill all you want to in practice where you get a do-over, but only game situations matter.
I do not like the soft coverage. I do not like Zone coverage either, prefer pressing man.
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Re: Woody

Unread post by manonabuffalo » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:59 pm

Since we are like angry villagers around here calling for blood, no reason why Woody couldn't be our sacrificial lamb to quiet the masses for a bit.

I say fire him now, let Dale Jones take another crack at it with the personnel we have. We can scheme our way to decency, and run a hybrid 3-4 look. During the offseason we can switch back to a 4-3 and actually recruit and find a coach for it.

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Re: Woody

Unread post by appstfan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:01 pm

Better suggestion---let Dale Jones go-- get better assistants for Woody--

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:16 pm

manonabuffalo wrote:Since we are like angry villagers around here calling for blood, no reason why Woody couldn't be our sacrificial lamb to quiet the masses for a bit.

I say fire him now, let Dale Jones take another crack at it with the personnel we have. We can scheme our way to decency, and run a hybrid 3-4 look. During the offseason we can switch back to a 4-3 and actually recruit and find a coach for it.

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Unread post by MJ1988 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:11 pm

Why is it that none of our coaches can coach unless they have "their" players?

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:32 pm

MJ1988 wrote:Why is it that none of our coaches can coach unless they have "their" players?
Gee - don't believe this new and unique with just APP --- :o
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