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Re: Fire him

Unread post by AppState2014 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:31 am

NewApp wrote:"Scott, if you truly love App (which I believe you do) then you need to resign. You aren't ready for this job. I wish you well but it's time to go. This is not acceptable at Appalachian State."

Just curious, were you saying the same thing late in 2004?
I was upset with Jerry Moore for other things back then such as off the field stuff. We had several boneheaded players who got arrested.

A couple differences in 2004. We Had installed a new offense. We were also winning home games. I saw a team that had a shot to be good. You have to remember as well that Laney stepped down and we were 6-5 with a new offense that you could see will do well. I admit I wanted to see improvement in 2005 or else I expected Jerry to make changes.

We don't have any reason for it being this bad. I expected only 4 wins this year. We are on pace for 1-11. Liberty is a solid FCS team but there is no excuse for this. Scott isn't ready to be a head coach. It's become obvious. Unless he turns it around and we see a couple wins down the stretch he needs to go. He could redeem himself with me this year but I have to see wins and right now I have a hard time believing he can do it.

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:25 am

If a scholarship kicker had made one of three kicks vs southern Miss and our defense could stop anyone we'd be 3-3.

The problem is getting a kicker and learning to tackle and cover. Let's not over complicate the situation.

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by NewApp » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:55 am

If you think this was the worst ever then you haven't been around long.
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Re: Fire him

Unread post by NewApp » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:02 am

AppState2014 wrote:
NewApp wrote:"Scott, if you truly love App (which I believe you do) then you need to resign. You aren't ready for this job. I wish you well but it's time to go. This is not acceptable at Appalachian State."

Just curious, were you saying the same thing late in 2004?
I was upset with Jerry Moore for other things back then such as off the field stuff. We had several boneheaded players who got arrested.

A couple differences in 2004. We Had installed a new offense. We were also winning home games. I saw a team that had a shot to be good. You have to remember as well that Laney stepped down and we were 6-5 with a new offense that you could see will do well. I admit I wanted to see improvement in 2005 or else I expected Jerry to make changes.

We don't have any reason for it being this bad. I expected only 4 wins this year. We are on pace for 1-11. Liberty is a solid FCS team but there is no excuse for this. Scott isn't ready to be a head coach. It's become obvious. Unless he turns it around and we see a couple wins down the stretch he needs to go. He could redeem himself with me this year but I have to see wins and right now I have a hard time believing he can do it.
AS2014, I think most on here are waiting for Satt to complete his OJT and activate his dozens of RS's before advocating any thing drastic. I'm not quite sure where I stand.
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Re: Fire him

Unread post by appst89 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:31 am

NewApp wrote:
appst89 wrote:
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Appersrule wrote:Hard to believe he got an extension and a salary increase less than 2 weeks ago. Can't blame that on Cobb? Whose idea was that? How was it not more of a talking point than it was? This has been mismanaged by so many different people it's scary.
Somebody said it was already in the works before Cobb shipped out.
It was in his contract. It would have happened regardless of who was, or wasn't, there.
Who designed the contract?

Probably a joint effort between the coach and the AD with approval by someone higher, maybe the ASU Board. Look, I'm not happy with Satt right now, but you can't possibly be suggesting that ANY coach should not have his salary adjusted to the level of the league in which he is coaching. Or maybe you can. :roll:

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by NewApp » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:41 am

appst89 wrote:
NewApp wrote:
appst89 wrote:
NewApp wrote:
Appersrule wrote:Hard to believe he got an extension and a salary increase less than 2 weeks ago. Can't blame that on Cobb? Whose idea was that? How was it not more of a talking point than it was? This has been mismanaged by so many different people it's scary.
Somebody said it was already in the works before Cobb shipped out.
It was in his contract. It would have happened regardless of who was, or wasn't, there.
Who designed the contract?

Probably a joint effort between the coach and the AD with approval by someone higher, maybe the ASU Board. Look, I'm not happy with Satt right now, but you can't possibly be suggesting that ANY coach should not have his salary adjusted to the level of the league in which he is coaching. Or maybe you can. :roll:
NO, I AM NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING AND I'D LIKE YOU TO STOP READING THINGS INTO MY POSTS THAT AREN'T EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT I'M SAYING!! :roll: 2

All I was doing was finding out where the poster thought the "new" extension came from since I was wondering if he thought it was from Beasley ?

This is what I was wondering about:

Appersrule wrote:
Hard to believe he got an extension and a salary increase less than 2 weeks ago. Can't blame that on Cobb? Whose idea was that? How was it not more of a talking point than it was? This has been mismanaged by so many different people it's scary.


Thus, I think you should have been making your accusatory comment toward Appsrule. Certainly not me. Furthermore you should have been pointing your :roll: at him not me.
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Re: Fire him

Unread post by clayton » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:17 am

I don't think we should fire him until we have an athletic director in place.

Who would replace him for the rest of the season? Who would hire somebody after the season?

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by PhillyApp1 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:42 am

PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY wrote:Period

My friend, you disappoint me again on a public forum.

Please think 24 hours before you post our displeasure, about the games we are watching.

Really, PLEASE " Give a Mountaineer a chance"

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by AppState2014 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:04 am

NewApp wrote:
AppState2014 wrote:
NewApp wrote:"Scott, if you truly love App (which I believe you do) then you need to resign. You aren't ready for this job. I wish you well but it's time to go. This is not acceptable at Appalachian State."

Just curious, were you saying the same thing late in 2004?
I was upset with Jerry Moore for other things back then such as off the field stuff. We had several boneheaded players who got arrested.

A couple differences in 2004. We Had installed a new offense. We were also winning home games. I saw a team that had a shot to be good. You have to remember as well that Laney stepped down and we were 6-5 with a new offense that you could see will do well. I admit I wanted to see improvement in 2005 or else I expected Jerry to make changes.

We don't have any reason for it being this bad. I expected only 4 wins this year. We are on pace for 1-11. Liberty is a solid FCS team but there is no excuse for this. Scott isn't ready to be a head coach. It's become obvious. Unless he turns it around and we see a couple wins down the stretch he needs to go. He could redeem himself with me this year but I have to see wins and right now I have a hard time believing he can do it.
AS2014, I think most on here are waiting for Satt to complete his OJT and activate his dozens of RS's before advocating any thing drastic. I'm not quite sure where I stand.
Here is the issue with that. I was open to him coming in at first because I said he was an App guy and all that. I had some reservations and here are what they were.

1. We are moving up from FCS to FBS. We didn't need someone who need OJT. We needed someone who had either been at the highest levels or had been a HC in D2 or FCS and had proven they could win.

My concern was if Scott would be ready to handle all the pressure coming his way. He has expectations and can't have losings seasons consistently.

2. I knew CC and some others were trying to get out. I figured we would have some turnover at App and with Scott being CC's guy I know the new AD likely wouldn't have as much patience.

3. I thought it would take Scott 3 or 4 years to win more than 5 games and that does not cut it in Boone. I don't want to fire a guy after 1 or 2 seasons of not winning in FBS but this loss to Liberty is pretty bad. It shows we are far behind mid tier FCS programs when we were just a playoff team in FCS a couple years ago.

Those were some of the concerns I had. We can't keep blaming Jerry Moore. What happens in 5 years if our best season is 5-7? Is that Jerry's fault? We have seen other coaches turn a program around in year 2 or so. Look what Ambrose did with Towson. They were a laughing stock. He quickly built them up.

I look at Duke and they needed 3-4 years but they weren't this bad. The issue with Scott and this staff is that we look worse and worse. You can tell there is no real good coaching going on during the week and the play calling, clock management, etc are all poor.

The fact we have a losing record is not my issue as much as how we have it. We blow leads, can't stay in games with good teams, and then we lose to a team with 20 less scholarships than us who we would have drilled just 3 years ago?

Look at Meadors playing? Why in the heck has he not been playing? Everyone had been saying he is going to be good but then our coaches wait to put him on the field. I hope he was out of shape or something because it's clear he is better than any of those other freshmen that Justin Stepp was talking about in the preseason. Meadors belongs on the field. I fear we have other true freshmen that probably belong as well.

I'll wait and say if we start improving as the year goes on that we should sit back and be patient but the management of the game and play calling has to get better.

We have an all FBS schedule next year folks. If we can't beat a FCS team then we won't win more than 2 games next year, maybe we won't win any.

I will say that Liberty is a talented team. They have some players who I would love to have.

We now have one huge issue and we have to have an AD. We can't make any changes until the new AD gets on the job and can breath first. Hopefully we have someone hired by the end of this month so they can assess the program and make the hard decisions needed for the long term good of App State athletics. We may not even see a change purely because of that but will obviously see Scott entering 2015 on the hot seat, something that opposing coaches will use heavily against us in recruiting.

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by AppState2014 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:09 am

PhillyApp1 wrote:
PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY wrote:Period

My friend, you disappoint me again on a public forum.

Please think 24 hours before you post our displeasure, about the games we are watching.

Really, PLEASE " Give a Mountaineer a chance"
It should be give everyone a chance. I want Scott and anyone else to have an equal fair shake. I don't want anyone given preferential treatment because they are an App grad or put on a tighter leash because they aren't an App grad.

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:22 am

iggy...you're right, of course i spoke out of frustration and let my anger get in the way. he's not going to be fired anyway because app doesn't have the money to buy him out imop. i don't see the intensity...i don't see the attitude..the swagger...i don't see motivation except for a few assistants. i will say this, i saw a few players last night in a car...they were lost and i got them turned around...they asked if i went to the game and i replied, "if thats what you can call it..." i asked them what the deal is and they looked dejected and couldn't answer...no motivation. i don't like making irrational comments but its out there now. maybe the staff will get the message that the natives are restless and this puts a fire in them...i don't know. I'm just frustrated as i know everyone is.

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by Appersrule » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:32 am

AppState2014 wrote:
PhillyApp1 wrote:
PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY wrote:Period

My friend, you disappoint me again on a public forum.

Please think 24 hours before you post our displeasure, about the games we are watching.

Really, PLEASE " Give a Mountaineer a chance"
It should be give everyone a chance. I want Scott and anyone else to have an equal fair shake. I don't want anyone given preferential treatment because they are an App grad or put on a tighter leash because they aren't an App grad.
Agree with this wholeheartedly - this whole we should give him slack because of being an Appalachian guy is sad. I am very anti preferential treatment for anybody. This your either with us or against us attitude has to stop. Its time to go outside and start finding some people whole have experience in big time college athletics at the P5 level who understands how much of a "business" this is.

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by newtoasu » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:33 am

NewApp wrote:If you think this was the worst ever then you haven't been around long.
No doubt. VMI and Florida A&M come to mind. Not to mention Chattanooga and WCU in recent years.

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by PhillyApp1 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:35 am

PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY wrote:iggy...you're right, of course i spoke out of frustration and let my anger get in the way. he's not going to be fired anyway because app doesn't have the money to buy him out imop. i don't see the intensity...i don't see the attitude..the swagger...i don't see motivation except for a few assistants. i will say this, i saw a few players last night in a car...they were lost and i got them turned around...they asked if i went to the game and i replied, "if thats what you can call it..." i asked them what the deal is and they looked dejected and couldn't answer...no motivation. i don't like making irrational comments but its out there now. maybe the staff will get the message that the natives are restless and this puts a fire in them...i don't know. I'm just frustrated as i know everyone is.
I know you and i agree with eachother, much more than we disagree.... WE are a JV team...the players need more FAITH.....they are young, they were not here when we won in the past.We used to have Juniors and Seniors with FAITH and talent. The players that are out there playing would not have seen the field in 2005-2007. They would be learning from practice and growing........Please let these kids know we care for them, we are thankful for their effort, AND WE WILL BE THERE WHEN THEY START WINNING !!!

Remember, many of these kids came from WINNING high school teams and this is new to them......I want to show them APP pride....WIN OR LOSE !!

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by manonabuffalo » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:59 am

PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY wrote:iggy...you're right, of course i spoke out of frustration and let my anger get in the way. he's not going to be fired anyway because app doesn't have the money to buy him out imop. i don't see the intensity...i don't see the attitude..the swagger...i don't see motivation except for a few assistants. i will say this, i saw a few players last night in a car...they were lost and i got them turned around...they asked if i went to the game and i replied, "if thats what you can call it..." i asked them what the deal is and they looked dejected and couldn't answer...no motivation. i don't like making irrational comments but its out there now. maybe the staff will get the message that the natives are restless and this puts a fire in them...i don't know. I'm just frustrated as i know everyone is.
I agree with you, I hung around with him as long as last night.....this loss broke the dam....

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by APPARJ » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:32 am

manonabuffalo wrote:
I agree with you, I hung around with him as long as last night.....this loss broke the dam....
You are so brave. Thank you for your courage and for waiting so long to "hang around", Buffalo Man.
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Re: Fire him

Unread post by APPARJ » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:35 am

PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY wrote:iggy...you're right, of course i spoke out of frustration and let my anger get in the way. he's not going to be fired anyway because app doesn't have the money to buy him out imop. i don't see the intensity...i don't see the attitude..the swagger...i don't see motivation except for a few assistants. i will say this, i saw a few players last night in a car...they were lost and i got them turned around...they asked if i went to the game and i replied, "if thats what you can call it..." i asked them what the deal is and they looked dejected and couldn't answer...no motivation. i don't like making irrational comments but its out there now. maybe the staff will get the message that the natives are restless and this puts a fire in them...i don't know. I'm just frustrated as i know everyone is.
So after you insulted a few kids who asked if you went to see them play they didn't seem motivated?

Wow. I wouldn't have have seen that coming. They should've gotten out of the car and done pushups or something to get hyped!

Look, I still can't blame the most of the players for not being Sun Belt quality athletes. People can scoff or roll their eyes but there is absolutely someone responsible for the decline in upperclass talent on this roster and it's not Scott Satterfield.
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Re: Fire him

Unread post by WataugaMan » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:42 am

They were lost? By chance were they in the middle of New York City? Or, Potter Town?

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Re: Fire him

Unread post by NewApp » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:44 am

Apparj, And it's Jerry Moore all by himself, right? The fact he kept losing top assistants due to low pay was all his fault, too? The fact that potential recruits and their high school coaches knew he was a short timer was all his fault,too? Jerry was to blame in many many ways, but truth is there was and is enough blame to go around including the one who sits in the coach's office as we speak as well as the former head honcho' now im Georgia.
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Re: Fire him

Unread post by App91 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:49 am

WataugaMan wrote:They were lost? By chance were they in the middle of New York City? Or, Potter Town?
Had to have been defensive players, they've been lost for a year and a half now.

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