Stadium Expansion - Timeline set

[NewApp]

So, after doing some research, it seems that Appalachian State has budgeted money out for the expansion of Kidd Brewer Stadium, which will also include the construction of a new residence hall. The money is is the 2018-2019 academic year budget.

To see this in writing, visit page 29 of the UNC System budget plan. http://www.northcarolina.edu/sites/defa ... 013-15.pdf

The levels of funding for the 16 UNC universities differ so greatly that it's mind-numbing. By head-to-head comparison and on a per student basis, Appalachian is only getting crumbs off of the table. It's a disgrace. It's campus politics; and the power is obviously not in Western NC.

Never has been except a few more crumbs when Holshouser was governor and later when Liston Ramsey was in important posts in the General Assembly.i

[NewApp]

$5M to convert a soccer facility to field hockey?

I don't like the look of the proposed plans for a residence hall on the north side of the stadium, or at least the current plans. We need a serious two phase design to get make sure KBS doesn't look even more piecemeal.

For those that wanted evidence App doesn't get as much as another university, click the link.

I thought the soccer field was jointly owned by the Uuniversity and the local government...or is this referencing a practice soccer field?

[NewApp]

To give you an idea as to how money is distributed across the board:

NC State: 34,009 students / $153.1 million awarded / approximately $4,502 per student
UNC: 29,127 students / $531.758 million awarded / approximately $18,257 per student
East Carolina: 26,887 students / $391.125 million awarded / approximately $14,547 per student
UNC-Charlotte: 26,571 students / $319.647 million awarded / approximately $12,030 per student
UNC-Greensboro: 18,074 students / $205.812 million awarded / approximately $11,387 per student
Appalachian: 17,838 students / $130 million awarded / approximately $7,827 per student
UNC-Wilmington: 13,197 students / $51 million awarded / approximately $3,865 per student
NC A&T: 10,531 students / $105.1 million awarded / approximately $9,980 per student
Western: 10,107 students / $60.76 million awarded / $6,012 per student
NCCU: 8,093 students / $181.534 million awarded / approximately $22,431 per student
UNC-Pembroke: 6,222 students / $19.7 million awarded / approximately $3,166 per student
Fayetteville State: 6,179 students / $50 million awarded / approximately $8,092 per student
WSSU: 5,399 students / $94.285 million awarded / approximately $17,463 per student
UNC-Asheville: 3,784 students / $29.91 million awarded / approximately $7,904 per student
Elizabeth City State: 2,421 students / $37.1 million awarded / approximately $15,324 per student
UNCSA: 912 students / $0.86 million awarded / approximately $943 per student
NCSSM: 608 students / unknown / unknown

So, if you rank the monetary value of a student through 2019, it'd go like this:
1. North Carolina Central
2. UNC-Chapel Hill
3. Winston-Salem State
4. Elizabeth City State
5. East Carolina
6. UNC-Charlotte
7. UNC-Greensboro
8. NC A&T
9. Fayetteville State
10. UNC-Asheville
11. Appalachian State
12. Western Carolina
13. NC State
14. UNC-Wilmington
15. UNC-Pembroke
16. UNCSA
17. NCSSM

That's atrocious to say the least, but if I'm not mistaken, we were well below 11th a few short years ago. Our administration and board have a lot farther to go in moving us up.

[NewApp]

$5M to convert a soccer facility to field hockey?

I don't like the look of the proposed plans for a residence hall on the north side of the stadium, or at least the current plans. We need a serious two phase design to get make sure KBS doesn't look even more piecemeal.

For those that wanted evidence App doesn't get as much as another university, click the link.

I'm not questioning yours and others desire to NOT see KBS as piecemeal but wouldn't that be the effect on a day when the stadium is empty - If it is full of fans on game day would it make that much difference? ---

It would seem that having a dorm on the north end would further fence us in should we want to bowl in that area. Sure there would still be room for additional seats behind the end, but not for an extensive large "bowled" in area. We already boxed ourselves in on the west side by placing the athletic complex so close to the stands. A third deck on the east side doesn't sound like an intelligent alternative.

[bcoach]

An even more interesting figure would be granted VS need. If we got what we asked for then it wouldn't matter where we placed. Now I know we didn't get what we asked for but how about knowing the percentage of what each school asked for VS what they got. That would be another important component to a measuring stick for fairness.

[NewApp]

I am not sure why any state money would go to athletics. Athletics in most every school has a much easier time raising money than academics does. Donations, TV money , Bowl Money, apparel sales, and ticket money should be a budget that athletic departments would be able to live with. I love my football but things are getting out of control in collage football. If football is really that important to us we should be able to raise ticket prices to a level that will sustain the program.
I read posts about how ASU is losing professors. Maybe that is where the state money should be going.

In North Carolina, no state money can go to an athletic facility. Whatever has been set aside in the budget is for the dormitory that is incorporated into the design, unless some other part of the expansion is deemed to be for some academic purpose.

State money went into the renovation of the stadium when the track was surfaced with the then state of the art composition as well as the artificial turf being installed.. It was sold as a multi-purpose facility. I,e. to be used by much more than football. Same with Holmes. William J Conrad was to be for use by PE classes, the marching band practices, the public for walking an running, etc etc.

[appgrouch]

$5M to convert a soccer facility to field hockey?

I don't like the look of the proposed plans for a residence hall on the north side of the stadium, or at least the current plans. We need a serious two phase design to get make sure KBS doesn't look even more piecemeal.

For those that wanted evidence App doesn't get as much as another university, click the link.

I thought the soccer field was jointly owned by the Uuniversity and the local government...or is this referencing a practice soccer field?

This is talking about the "asu soccer stadium" that was out at the farm. The new soccer venue is a joint op.

[NewApp]

$5M to convert a soccer facility to field hockey?

I don't like the look of the proposed plans for a residence hall on the north side of the stadium, or at least the current plans. We need a serious two phase design to get make sure KBS doesn't look even more piecemeal.

For those that wanted evidence App doesn't get as much as another university, click the link.

I thought the soccer field was jointly owned by the Uuniversity and the local government...or is this referencing a practice soccer field?

This is talking about the "asu soccer stadium" that was out at the farm. The new soccer venue is a joint op.

That's what I kind of figured but I thought it was just a practice field out at SF.

[appst89]

I am not sure why any state money would go to athletics. Athletics in most every school has a much easier time raising money than academics does. Donations, TV money , Bowl Money, apparel sales, and ticket money should be a budget that athletic departments would be able to live with. I love my football but things are getting out of control in collage football. If football is really that important to us we should be able to raise ticket prices to a level that will sustain the program.
I read posts about how ASU is losing professors. Maybe that is where the state money should be going.

In North Carolina, no state money can go to an athletic facility. Whatever has been set aside in the budget is for the dormitory that is incorporated into the design, unless some other part of the expansion is deemed to be for some academic purpose.

State money went into the renovation of the stadium when the track was surfaced with the then state of the art composition as well as the artificial turf being installed.. It was sold as a multi-purpose facility. I,e. to be used by much more than football. Same with Holmes. William J Conrad was to be for use by PE classes, the marching band practices, the public for walking an running, etc etc.

Thus, no state money was used for a strictly athletic facility. The field and the track are used for multiple purposes.

[appgrouch]

$5M to convert a soccer facility to field hockey?

I don't like the look of the proposed plans for a residence hall on the north side of the stadium, or at least the current plans. We need a serious two phase design to get make sure KBS doesn't look even more piecemeal.

For those that wanted evidence App doesn't get as much as another university, click the link.

I thought the soccer field was jointly owned by the Uuniversity and the local government...or is this referencing a practice soccer field?

This is talking about the "asu soccer stadium" that was out at the farm. The new soccer venue is a joint op.

That's what I kind of figured but I thought it was just a practice field out at SF.

It never was fully built out, so your not far off

[Niner National]

I am not sure why any state money would go to athletics. Athletics in most every school has a much easier time raising money than academics does. Donations, TV money , Bowl Money, apparel sales, and ticket money should be a budget that athletic departments would be able to live with. I love my football but things are getting out of control in collage football. If football is really that important to us we should be able to raise ticket prices to a level that will sustain the program.
I read posts about how ASU is losing professors. Maybe that is where the state money should be going.

In North Carolina, no state money can go to an athletic facility. Whatever has been set aside in the budget is for the dormitory that is incorporated into the design, unless some other part of the expansion is deemed to be for some academic purpose.

You can certainly takes funds in the form of a state backed loan for athletics projects.

The loan is then repaid with donations/sponsorships/student fees/whatever else generates revenue for the athletics department.

These loans still have to go through the funding process.

[Niner National]

To give you an idea as to how money is distributed across the board:

NC State: 34,009 students / $153.1 million awarded / approximately $4,502 per student
UNC: 29,127 students / $531.758 million awarded / approximately $18,257 per student
East Carolina: 26,887 students / $391.125 million awarded / approximately $14,547 per student
UNC-Charlotte: 26,571 students / $319.647 million awarded / approximately $12,030 per student
UNC-Greensboro: 18,074 students / $205.812 million awarded / approximately $11,387 per student
Appalachian: 17,838 students / $130 million awarded / approximately $7,827 per student
UNC-Wilmington: 13,197 students / $51 million awarded / approximately $3,865 per student
NC A&T: 10,531 students / $105.1 million awarded / approximately $9,980 per student
Western: 10,107 students / $60.76 million awarded / $6,012 per student
NCCU: 8,093 students / $181.534 million awarded / approximately $22,431 per student
UNC-Pembroke: 6,222 students / $19.7 million awarded / approximately $3,166 per student
Fayetteville State: 6,179 students / $50 million awarded / approximately $8,092 per student
WSSU: 5,399 students / $94.285 million awarded / approximately $17,463 per student
UNC-Asheville: 3,784 students / $29.91 million awarded / approximately $7,904 per student
Elizabeth City State: 2,421 students / $37.1 million awarded / approximately $15,324 per student
UNCSA: 912 students / $0.86 million awarded / approximately $943 per student
NCSSM: 608 students / unknown / unknown

So, if you rank the monetary value of a student through 2019, it'd go like this:
1. North Carolina Central
2. UNC-Chapel Hill
3. Winston-Salem State
4. Elizabeth City State
5. East Carolina
6. UNC-Charlotte
7. UNC-Greensboro
8. NC A&T
9. Fayetteville State
10. UNC-Asheville
11. Appalachian State
12. Western Carolina
13. NC State
14. UNC-Wilmington
15. UNC-Pembroke
16. UNCSA
17. NCSSM

That's atrocious to say the least, but if I'm not mistaken, we were well below 11th a few short years ago. Our administration and board have a lot farther to go in moving us up.

Funding can vary from year to year considerably. Just a few years ago we were last in funding per student in the system. This time we're 6th. Just depends what projects you have on the horizon.

[NewApp]

I am not sure why any state money would go to athletics. Athletics in most every school has a much easier time raising money than academics does. Donations, TV money , Bowl Money, apparel sales, and ticket money should be a budget that athletic departments would be able to live with. I love my football but things are getting out of control in collage football. If football is really that important to us we should be able to raise ticket prices to a level that will sustain the program.
I read posts about how ASU is losing professors. Maybe that is where the state money should be going.

In North Carolina, no state money can go to an athletic facility. Whatever has been set aside in the budget is for the dormitory that is incorporated into the design, unless some other part of the expansion is deemed to be for some academic purpose.

State money went into the renovation of the stadium when the track was surfaced with the then state of the art composition as well as the artificial turf being installed.. It was sold as a multi-purpose facility. I,e. to be used by much more than football. Same with Holmes. William J Conrad was to be for use by PE classes, the marching band practices, the public for walking an running, etc etc.

Thus, no state money was used for a strictly athletic facility. The field and the track are used for multiple purposes.

Which is what I said.

[Kgfish]

I am not sure why any state money would go to athletics. Athletics in most every school has a much easier time raising money than academics does. Donations, TV money , Bowl Money, apparel sales, and ticket money should be a budget that athletic departments would be able to live with. I love my football but things are getting out of control in collage football. If football is really that important to us we should be able to raise ticket prices to a level that will sustain the program.
I read posts about how ASU is losing professors. Maybe that is where the state money should be going.

In North Carolina, no state money can go to an athletic facility. Whatever has been set aside in the budget is for the dormitory that is incorporated into the design, unless some other part of the expansion is deemed to be for some academic purpose.

State money went into the renovation of the stadium when the track was surfaced with the then state of the art composition as well as the artificial turf being installed.. It was sold as a multi-purpose facility. I,e. to be used by much more than football. Same with Holmes. William J Conrad was to be for use by PE classes, the marching band practices, the public for walking an running, etc etc.

Thus, no state money was used for a strictly athletic facility. The field and the track are used for multiple purposes.

Like the Holmes Convocation Center.

[appst89]

I am not sure why any state money would go to athletics. Athletics in most every school has a much easier time raising money than academics does. Donations, TV money , Bowl Money, apparel sales, and ticket money should be a budget that athletic departments would be able to live with. I love my football but things are getting out of control in collage football. If football is really that important to us we should be able to raise ticket prices to a level that will sustain the program.
I read posts about how ASU is losing professors. Maybe that is where the state money should be going.

In North Carolina, no state money can go to an athletic facility. Whatever has been set aside in the budget is for the dormitory that is incorporated into the design, unless some other part of the expansion is deemed to be for some academic purpose.

State money went into the renovation of the stadium when the track was surfaced with the then state of the art composition as well as the artificial turf being installed.. It was sold as a multi-purpose facility. I,e. to be used by much more than football. Same with Holmes. William J Conrad was to be for use by PE classes, the marching band practices, the public for walking an running, etc etc.

Thus, no state money was used for a strictly athletic facility. The field and the track are used for multiple purposes.

Like the Holmes Convocation Center.

I don't define those things.

[Kgfish]

Like the Holmes Convocation Center.

I don't define those things.

Understand. I was agreeing with you.

[appgrouch]

Before every one reserves there place around the shovel for the first turning of earth for this, lets take a look at 1 fact. 2018-2019.

There are going to be a ton of things happen between now and then. Do to the amount of housing in the area, they were able to take down Winkler with no plans to replace it. There are 2 Res halls (1 new and 1 a replacement for East) in line before they get to the stadium. Once those are factored in, they may come back and pull funding saying that it is not needed. Plus we have up to 3 elections between now and then. And 3 football seasons to gauge FBS attendance.


Not arguing for it or again it, but we have a long time between now and then.

[Maddog1956]

Before every one reserves there place around the shovel for the first turning of earth for this, lets take a look at 1 fact. 2018-2019.

There are going to be a ton of things happen between now and then. Do to the amount of housing in the area, they were able to take down Winkler with no plans to replace it. There are 2 Res halls (1 new and 1 a replacement for East) in line before they get to the stadium. Once those are factored in, they may come back and pull funding saying that it is not needed. Plus we have up to 3 elections between now and then. And 3 football seasons to gauge FBS attendance.


Not arguing for it or again it, but we have a long time between now and then.

I think the football attendance is certainly a number that's "up in the air", but not so much dorm needs. I know that everyone has their own opinion on if more housing is needed on campus but I think that the Administration has a better handle on this than anyone else, especially with an increase in nursing.