Roster/Staff Updates

[311neers]

I wouldn't mind just "saving" money for about 5 years...spending nothing... and then ponying up at the right time with $15M and try to make a run.
Spending $2M/year on a roster is wasting money, gives us no shot.

Make a run at what? Thats still 15mil+ less than the top spenders who rule the CFP.

Exactly. If $15M won't even get us there then what is $2M/year getting us.
At least you'd have a better shot at doing something with $15M every so often as opposed to $2m/year.

[311neers]

I wouldn't mind just "saving" money for about 5 years...spending nothing... and then ponying up at the right time with $15M and try to make a run.
Spending $2M/year on a roster is wasting money, gives us no shot.

I’m not understanding your logic behind this? What money are we saving?

I guess it's a way of tanking. Don't spend for a few years and then go all in when there's enough money to "compete". Will never happen but might be better than what we're currently doing.

Any other suggestions on how to make ourselves competitive in NIL?

[AppSt94]

I wouldn't mind just "saving" money for about 5 years...spending nothing... and then ponying up at the right time with $15M and try to make a run.
Spending $2M/year on a roster is wasting money, gives us no shot.

I’m not understanding your logic behind this? What money are we saving?

I guess it's a way of tanking. Don't spend for a few years and then go all in when there's enough money to "compete". Will never happen but might be better than what we're currently doing.

Understand the premise. However, there are a couple of flaws as I see it. First off you can’t not spend? NIL is paid from the school through revenue sharing. It’s built into the budget and if you don’t spend your budget, you will lose it the next year. Secondly, NIL is for all athletes and not just football. So are you suggesting making a run in all sports?

As for private NIL donors, I don’t see them escrowing funds to be used at a later date.

The final flaw is that you are making the assumption that we can spend $15 mil on players that are P4 caliber. Those with next level aspirations aren’t going to pick App over a P4 and those teams that we can likely compete with likely have the same probability of making a run than we do now.

[bcoach]

P4 and G6 are two different leagues and the sooner we grasp that the happier we will be.

[Saint3333]

Make it an endowment, fund it was 4 years annually and then go all in year 5.

It falls apart when everyone only shows up ever fifth year as they know the plan.

[bcoach]

Make it an endowment, fund it was 4 years annually and then go all in year 5.

It falls apart when everyone only shows up ever fifth year as they know the plan.

Also, who are the doners who will live with 4-8 for 4 years. Then hope the coach will buy the right players for the one-year run with players who are together for one practice year.

[AppSt94]

Make it an endowment, fund it was 4 years annually and then go all in year 5.

It falls apart when everyone only shows up ever fifth year as they know the plan.

Creating an endowment to pay kids to play sports. What have we become as a society?

[bcoach]

Make it an endowment, fund it was 4 years annually and then go all in year 5.

It falls apart when everyone only shows up ever fifth year as they know the plan.

Creating an endowment to pay kids to play sports. What have we become as a society?

Sad

[AppSt94]

Make it an endowment, fund it was 4 years annually and then go all in year 5.

It falls apart when everyone only shows up ever fifth year as they know the plan.

Creating an endowment to pay kids to play sports. What have we become as a society?

Sad

Jose Aguilar is big in his community youth sports program. He has seen evidence of this pay for play reach youth sports. It’s truly sad that we are ruining sports.

[311neers]

Make it an endowment, fund it was 4 years annually and then go all in year 5.

It falls apart when everyone only shows up ever fifth year as they know the plan.

Also, who are the doners who will live with 4-8 for 4 years. Then hope the coach will buy the right players for the one-year run with players who are together for one practice year.

We're currently living that scenario. We're not far from 4-8 as it is.

[AppSt94]

The reality is that we, along with 90% of FBS are not going to be able to compete for titles on the national stage for football. People that have the money to waste, and that’s what NIL is will eventually figure out what a poor investment it is.

[311neers]

The reality is that we, along with 90% of FBS are not going to be able to compete for titles on the national stage for football. People that have the money to waste, and that’s what NIL is will eventually figure out what a poor investment it is.

That's all I was getting at.
We're wasting money spending $2M/year.
It's sad. The system priced us out.

[JTApps1]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

It would be very difficult to find a bigger fan of Coach Moore than I am. That is both as a fan but even more on a personal level. Shawn was a family friend going all the way back to his playing days. With that said, neither would be successful as a head coach in this environment. It is just 180 degrees from their personalities and beliefs.

Shawn tried his best, but the changing landscape and our slow response as an entire department not just coaching staff was too much to overcome. I wish we could have seen him coach without Covid and without the portal/NIL. I think everyone would have preferred a different outcome for his tenure here.

[biggie]

With NIL it wouldn't matter who the coach was, we just don't have the money.

[AppSt94]

The reality is that we, along with 90% of FBS are not going to be able to compete for titles on the national stage for football. People that have the money to waste, and that’s what NIL is will eventually figure out what a poor investment it is.

That's all I was getting at.
We're wasting money spending $2M/year.
It's sad. The system priced us out.

The system will eventually price everyone out. At some point these schools, more to the point donors, are going to look at the ROI and decide it’s not money well spent.

The current model where everyone can transfer whenever they want is going to create poor quality football which will trickle up to the NFL. Once it hurts their
product, stuff will change.

[appdaze]

The reality is that we, along with 90% of FBS are not going to be able to compete for titles on the national stage for football. People that have the money to waste, and that’s what NIL is will eventually figure out what a poor investment it is.

That's all I was getting at.
We're wasting money spending $2M/year.
It's sad. The system priced us out.

Which is why your comment was kind of odd. Why suffer losing seasons to "make a run" once every 5 years when we could spend 2 million now and have a shot to win our conference every year or so? No amount of money we can acquire is going to get us a natty. The one and only chip we need to aim for is a conference chip. That's it. That only requires the kind of money we already put in, along with some quality coaching.

Win the conference, everything else is just noise.

[AppStFan1]

The reality is that we, along with 90% of FBS are not going to be able to compete for titles on the national stage for football. People that have the money to waste, and that’s what NIL is will eventually figure out what a poor investment it is.

That's all I was getting at.
We're wasting money spending $2M/year.
It's sad. The system priced us out.

This is true. I wanted to be FBS to be in tier two but if we end up in tier 3 or 4 instead of the top group below SEC/Big Ten I would rather just move down to FCS or D2 and win titles there. Why spend a few million to just go 4-8 in FBS when we could shrink our budget heavily and win at a lower level? If you can't get enough to truly compete at this level then might as well stop trying with a pathetic 2-4M a year. It is just a huge waste of money.

[AppSt94]

The reality is that we, along with 90% of FBS are not going to be able to compete for titles on the national stage for football. People that have the money to waste, and that’s what NIL is will eventually figure out what a poor investment it is.

That's all I was getting at.
We're wasting money spending $2M/year.
It's sad. The system priced us out.

This is true. I wanted to be FBS to be in tier two but if we end up in tier 3 or 4 instead of the top group below SEC/Big Ten I would rather just move down to FCS or D2 and win titles there. Why spend a few million to just go 4-8 in FBS when we could shrink our budget heavily and win at a lower level? If you can't get enough to truly compete at this level then might as well stop trying with a pathetic 2-4M a year. It is just a huge waste of money.

Winning an FCS title is akin to being the King of the Dipshits. It doesn’t make you a king. It just means you are the biggest dipshit.

[AppStFan1]

The reality is that we, along with 90% of FBS are not going to be able to compete for titles on the national stage for football. People that have the money to waste, and that’s what NIL is will eventually figure out what a poor investment it is.

That's all I was getting at.
We're wasting money spending $2M/year.
It's sad. The system priced us out.

This is true. I wanted to be FBS to be in tier two but if we end up in tier 3 or 4 instead of the top group below SEC/Big Ten I would rather just move down to FCS or D2 and win titles there. Why spend a few million to just go 4-8 in FBS when we could shrink our budget heavily and win at a lower level? If you can't get enough to truly compete at this level then might as well stop trying with a pathetic 2-4M a year. It is just a huge waste of money.

Winning an FCS title is akin to being the King of the Dipshits. It doesn’t make you a king. It just means you are the biggest dipshit.

Agreed but that is the only title we can win without NIL and with the little we have we aren't going to win at this level. I would rather be 13-1 in FCS right now than 3-9 at this level. South Dakota State has a better team than we do. They probably would have beaten us each of the last 4-5 years or so.

[AppSt94]

The reality is that we, along with 90% of FBS are not going to be able to compete for titles on the national stage for football. People that have the money to waste, and that’s what NIL is will eventually figure out what a poor investment it is.

That's all I was getting at.
We're wasting money spending $2M/year.
It's sad. The system priced us out.

This is true. I wanted to be FBS to be in tier two but if we end up in tier 3 or 4 instead of the top group below SEC/Big Ten I would rather just move down to FCS or D2 and win titles there. Why spend a few million to just go 4-8 in FBS when we could shrink our budget heavily and win at a lower level? If you can't get enough to truly compete at this level then might as well stop trying with a pathetic 2-4M a year. It is just a huge waste of money.

Winning an FCS title is akin to being the King of the Dipshits. It doesn’t make you a king. It just means you are the biggest dipshit.

Agreed but that is the only title we can win without NIL and with the little we have we aren't going to win at this level. I would rather be 13-1 in FCS right now than 3-9 at this level. South Dakota State has a better team than we do. They probably would have beaten us each of the last 4-5 years or so.

Sorry dude. Moving down is a defeatist position and doesn’t guarantee success.