Roster/Staff Updates

[AppinVA]

We swapped our cultural identity for a run in the rat race when Shawn was dismissed. I think D L is truly good man, a good coach...but he is stuck bargaining with free agents and has little to offer developed or top talent athletes. I predict D L will do a fine job for us, and leave for greener pastures immediatly after. That's the way it is.

Shawn would have been another Jerry Moore. Not perfect, but perfect for us.

Except…

[Saint3333]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

[AppStFan1]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

[bcoach]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

It would be very difficult to find a bigger fan of Coach Moore than I am. That is both as a fan but even more on a personal level. Shawn was a family friend going all the way back to his playing days. With that said, neither would be successful as a head coach in this environment. It is just 180 degrees from their personalities and beliefs.

[AppStFan1]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

It would be very difficult to find a bigger fan of Coach Moore than I am. That is both as a fan but even more on a personal level. Shawn was a family friend going all the way back to his playing days. With that said, neither would be successful as a head coach in this environment. It is just 360 degrees from their personalities and beliefs.

I don't think either would have as well. This is very different. I think Loggains needs at least 3 years to fully know for sure. I believe in giving people a fair chance and we don't have enough money to turn a program around in just 1-2 years. I feel like we need 3-4 years. If someone had around 25-30M to give to NIL then we could.

Even if Loggains does what I think and signs 30+ HS a year and focused on luring in P4 caliber players who want to play right away we would still have to restock yearly and it is harder. I still think we should be able to win 7-8 games a year but I don't think 11+ wins for 3 years in a row is ever going to happen again until we get legislation and a CBA.

[AppSt94]

Most “P4 caliber” players stepping down were never P4 caliber to begin with.

[AppWyo]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

It would be very difficult to find a bigger fan of Coach Moore than I am. That is both as a fan but even more on a personal level. Shawn was a family friend going all the way back to his playing days. With that said, neither would be successful as a head coach in this environment. It is just 360 degrees from their personalities and beliefs.

To be nit-picky, "360 degrees", is a full circle.

The biggest reason that Jaerry Moore was successful was he could keep a coaching staff together.

Besides, everyone is on a level playing field now because of nil and the transfer portal. The schools that are hurting the most are the traditional P4's. App has just not found its footing just yet. When it does, we will be better than before.

[Seattleapp]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

It would be very difficult to find a bigger fan of Coach Moore than I am. That is both as a fan but even more on a personal level. Shawn was a family friend going all the way back to his playing days. With that said, neither would be successful as a head coach in this environment. It is just 360 degrees from their personalities and beliefs.

To be nit-picky, "360 degrees", is a full circle.

The biggest reason that Jaerry Moore was successful was he could keep a coaching staff together.

Besides, everyone is on a level playing field now because of nil and the transfer portal. The schools that are hurting the most are the traditional P4's. App has just not found its footing just yet. When it does, we will be better than before.

Nitpicking a post then misspelling Jerry Moore is epic

[AppSt94]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

It would be very difficult to find a bigger fan of Coach Moore than I am. That is both as a fan but even more on a personal level. Shawn was a family friend going all the way back to his playing days. With that said, neither would be successful as a head coach in this environment. It is just 360 degrees from their personalities and beliefs.

To be nit-picky, "360 degrees", is a full circle.

The biggest reason that Jaerry Moore was successful was he could keep a coaching staff together.

Besides, everyone is on a level playing field now because of nil and the transfer portal. The schools that are hurting the most are the traditional P4's. App has just not found its footing just yet. When it does, we will be better than before.

The disparity in NIL funds between schools is not a level playing field.

[bcoach]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

It would be very difficult to find a bigger fan of Coach Moore than I am. That is both as a fan but even more on a personal level. Shawn was a family friend going all the way back to his playing days. With that said, neither would be successful as a head coach in this environment. It is just 360 degrees from their personalities and beliefs.

To be nit-picky, "360 degrees", is a full circle.

The biggest reason that Jaerry Moore was successful was he could keep a coaching staff together.

Besides, everyone is on a level playing field now because of nil and the transfer portal. The schools that are hurting the most are the traditional P4's. App has just not found its footing just yet. When it does, we will be better than before.

Ha Ha good catch 180

[AppStFan1]

Most “P4 caliber” players stepping down were never P4 caliber to begin with.

Most but there are always some who made the mistake of signing with a school who is so stacked that they are behind draft picks and that is why they want to transfer down. Then there are some who are late bloomers and just aren't patient so they transfer down after a year or two and then are looking to move up for their senior year.

[EastHallApp]

I am not, and have never been, an App State football insider. With that grain of salt, my impression has been that our competitive advantages were, in no particular order:

-Coaching continuity.
-Program culture - toughness, chip on shoulder, team-first attitudes, pride in school and alma mater.
-Repeatedly being ahead of the curve in adapting to new playing styles and strategies.
-Identifying and developing overlooked talent.

Now the first two are pretty much impossible to maintain, and the latter two are only as good as your most recent coaching hire. So what will be the competitive advantage that drives our next run of sustained excellence?

[AppSt94]

Until there are clear rules and regulations around transfers and NIL, the notion of sustainability is out of reach.

[311neers]

Debating if Shawn or Jerry would be successful in this NIL era is not going to be good for this board's mental state.

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

It would be very difficult to find a bigger fan of Coach Moore than I am. That is both as a fan but even more on a personal level. Shawn was a family friend going all the way back to his playing days. With that said, neither would be successful as a head coach in this environment. It is just 360 degrees from their personalities and beliefs.

To be nit-picky, "360 degrees", is a full circle.

The biggest reason that Jaerry Moore was successful was he could keep a coaching staff together.

Besides, everyone is on a level playing field now because of nil and the transfer portal. The schools that are hurting the most are the traditional P4's. App has just not found its footing just yet. When it does, we will be better than before.

The disparity in NIL funds between schools is not a level playing field.

Agreed. It's quite the opposite. We are now farther from a level playing field than we were 5+ years ago.

How is a $2M roster supposed to compete with $30M roster? It's not. In this new era, we should not be on the same playing field as OSU, Miami, Texas, UGA, Bama...just the truth.
A "salary cap" would be nice.

[appdaze]

Until the NCAA restructures itself to resemble the NFL in its bylaws and the players form a proper union to negotiate salaries/caps, then this era of college sports is going to get wilder by the year, as there are clearly no boundaries, as this Texas Tech situation is proving.

[AppSt94]

It would be tough to compare 100% for sure. Would Jerry Moore have used the portal as much as Shawn did if he had it? Jerry's staff did a better job of finding and landing HS talent that developed into stars than Clark's staff did. The few that Clark's staff hit on pretty much all transferred. It is pretty safe to say that if we had NIL and portal that the Michigan win does not happen. I'm pretty confident that Lynch, Jackson, Edwards, Brown, Wiggins, and several others would have been offered big money by I-A teams.

It would be very difficult to find a bigger fan of Coach Moore than I am. That is both as a fan but even more on a personal level. Shawn was a family friend going all the way back to his playing days. With that said, neither would be successful as a head coach in this environment. It is just 360 degrees from their personalities and beliefs.

To be nit-picky, "360 degrees", is a full circle.

The biggest reason that Jaerry Moore was successful was he could keep a coaching staff together.

Besides, everyone is on a level playing field now because of nil and the transfer portal. The schools that are hurting the most are the traditional P4's. App has just not found its footing just yet. When it does, we will be better than before.

The disparity in NIL funds between schools is not a level playing field.

Agreed. It's quite the opposite. We are now farther from a level playing field than we were 5+ years ago.

How is a $2M roster supposed to compete with $30M roster? It's not. In this new era, we should not be on the same playing field as OSU, Miami, Texas, UGA, Bama...just the truth.
A "salary cap" would be nice.

That’s my notion as well. But even with a salary cap, I imagine that we would still be considered a small market school.

[311neers]

I wouldn't mind just "saving" money for about 5 years...spending nothing... and then ponying up at the right time with $15M and try to make a run.
Spending $2M/year on a roster is wasting money, gives us no shot.

[AppSt94]

Until the NCAA restructures itself to resemble the NFL in its bylaws and the players form a proper union to negotiate salaries/caps, then this era of college sports is going to get wilder by the year, as there are clearly no boundaries, as this Texas Tech situation is proving.

I’m not a fan of the union piece. For me, there needs to be transparency in the NIL deals and regulations around authorized agents.

[appdaze]

I wouldn't mind just "saving" money for about 5 years...spending nothing... and then ponying up at the right time with $15M and try to make a run.
Spending $2M/year on a roster is wasting money, gives us no shot.

Make a run at what? Thats still 15mil+ less than the top spenders who rule the CFP.

[AppSt94]

I wouldn't mind just "saving" money for about 5 years...spending nothing... and then ponying up at the right time with $15M and try to make a run.
Spending $2M/year on a roster is wasting money, gives us no shot.

I’m not understanding your logic behind this? What money are we saving?