Birmingham Bowl

[AppWyo]

With Georgia Southern and Clay Helton, the biggest difference is Helton recruited all of those players where Loggains inherited the majority of his.

[AppDawg]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

How do you figure Ga Southern is in a worse place than we are? There was no moment in that game we lost by 3 touchdowns did any honest observer think we were going to win. And yes their QB is leaving but all our qb’s left too. And Helton may not be a world beater, but his guys want to stick around and play for him. And he’s won a little down there. Until DLo proves he can retain platers or win with the guys he’s bringing in, it’s hard to say App is in a better position that any of our rivals.

No moment in game thought we would win? It must be insufferable watching a game with you. It was 13-7 at half. Our D was playing well (except last drive 4th qtr), we drove field on O. Yeah, had turnovers in red zone but put ourselves in position. We beat ourselves with execution (go back to earlier comment about inexperience), but plays were there.

FG’s alone was a TD swing in score. Kicking into wind the false starts a killer and imop a phantom running into kicker gave Stink a redo.

I hate moral victories and certainly participation trophies… only scoreboard counts, but there was A LOT of good coming out of Monday.

You may be surprised as to how I am to watch a game with. I loved seeing Wilson compete. But again, watching us have 3 straight penalties on a field goal try was frustrating. And I did wonder why we had a guy like Wilson our coaches couldn’t find any packages for him. Not handing him the keys but utilizing him in some way. I also I really don’t get why every message has to have the personal insult thrown in. It just smacks of weird insecurity. You can counter my position which is totally cool, but I don’t get the attack on me when you don’t know me. That’s a weird trait that permeates through this board entirely too often and imo takes away from legitimate debate. And I mean this in all honesty. What was ALL the good that came out of the game?

No intention of personal insult. Was responding directly to the comment “at no point did any honest observer think we were going to win”… I read that as the negativity permeating this board and anyone that didn’t see things that way wasn’t being truthful.

We were in the game. Some unfortunate lack of execution was our demise.

The good was 29 underclassmen played and getting experience and other than “youthful” mistakes held their own. This is not the same as the mistakes made by guys that played throughout the season that had accumulated game experience. We weeded those that either didn’t want to be on the team or quit in the team out. Perhaps it’s wishful thinking on my end, but I saw growth in the team.

[Saint3333]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

All fair points. Wilson wasn’t ready for prime time, since the guy didn’t take snaps as a QB all season. But did he show enough flash in the bowl game to convince you that the kid has potential to be developed into a QB who could bring value?

Yes.

Sure!
But would the Yosef’s Cabin posters have been happy with watching Wilson struggle but maybe get a little better all year? Would he have grown enough to change the outcome of the games App lost?
I don’t think so.

You are probably right. I just am wondering how DLO couldn’t recognize his potential ti provide something with a running package. I only say this because he coached sellers

He couldn’t recognize the talent gap between the two in the bowl game, we shouldn’t be surprised.

[MrCraig]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

100% agree with your last statement. If I was a Stink fan, I’d be miserable with my team right now.

I understand your first point, but it also sort of supports my main point. Some folks on this board are acting like DLo is an idiot because he didn’t run out the starting lineup from the B-Ham bowl all season. The guys who played on Monday were not better than the guys who played back in November RIGHT NOW. They may, and I certainly hope they do, develop into great players.

Disagree. Wilson is / was a better option at QB than both of the guys who shared that position plus Gillon. He just never got the chance to show it.
If all four of the guys who played QB for us at ant point this year were all coming back next year who would you start?

AJ or JJ, easily. Personally, I’d go JJ.
Wilson had the chance to show what he could do every time they practiced, and the coaches clearly saw the other guys were better. He COULD have been used in change-of-pace situations, but he clearly wasn’t a better QB than AJ or JJ. The stats and scores prove that.

[hapapp]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

100% agree with your last statement. If I was a Stink fan, I’d be miserable with my team right now.

I understand your first point, but it also sort of supports my main point. Some folks on this board are acting like DLo is an idiot because he didn’t run out the starting lineup from the B-Ham bowl all season. The guys who played on Monday were not better than the guys who played back in November RIGHT NOW. They may, and I certainly hope they do, develop into great players.

Disagree. Wilson is / was a better option at QB than both of the guys who shared that position plus Gillon. He just never got the chance to show it.
If all four of the guys who played QB for us at ant point this year were all coming back next year who would you start?

AJ or JJ, easily. Personally, I’d go JJ.
Wilson had the chance to show what he could do every time they practiced, and the coaches clearly saw the other guys were better. He COULD have been used in change-of-pace situations, but he clearly wasn’t a better QB than AJ or JJ. The stats and scores prove that.

At what point was Wilson switched to DB? It's not like he was practicing and competing at QB every time the team practiced.

[appdaze]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

100% agree with your last statement. If I was a Stink fan, I’d be miserable with my team right now.

I understand your first point, but it also sort of supports my main point. Some folks on this board are acting like DLo is an idiot because he didn’t run out the starting lineup from the B-Ham bowl all season. The guys who played on Monday were not better than the guys who played back in November RIGHT NOW. They may, and I certainly hope they do, develop into great players.

Disagree. Wilson is / was a better option at QB than both of the guys who shared that position plus Gillon. He just never got the chance to show it.
If all four of the guys who played QB for us at ant point this year were all coming back next year who would you start?

AJ or JJ, easily. Personally, I’d go JJ.
Wilson had the chance to show what he could do every time they practiced, and the coaches clearly saw the other guys were better. He COULD have been used in change-of-pace situations, but he clearly wasn’t a better QB than AJ or JJ. The stats and scores prove that.

DLo admitted in his presser that it was a mistake to not try to develop him further. You're argument that DLo knew best goes out the window when he admitted that he didn't. There isnt an argument there unless you want to argue with the coach and not cabin members.

[BambooRdApp]

DLo stated he should have helped him with development. He did not say he was better than AJ or JJ.

[appdaze]

DLo stated he should have helped him with development. He did not say he was better than AJ or JJ.

And now we'll never know if he could have been. NIL money talks.

[Yosefus]

Is Matthew Wilson playing as Bryce Underwood fir Michigan tonight? It's like a carbon copy of Monday afternoon if anyone is watching UM vs Tx

[BambooRdApp]

DLo stated he should have helped him with development. He did not say he was better than AJ or JJ.

And now we'll never know if he could have been. NIL money talks.

Let's roll this back. I am a new head coach. My QB room consists of AJ, JJ, G, and Wilson. 3 pocket passers and one RPO guy. One of my pocket passers actually played at a Power school to parlay that into an opportunity at LSU. If I am the head coach st App. St , I am sure in the hell not going to install an RPO offense that only one QB could potentially effectively run..and zero D1 experience at QB.

[spacemonkey]

Unless you are way more talented and bigger in all aspects of the game, I don't know how you design an offense without plays for a running quarterback and win. It is too easy to defend against a slow quarterback. We have been watching it first hand for years.

[Seattleapp]

DLo stated he should have helped him with development. He did not say he was better than AJ or JJ.

And now we'll never know if he could have been. NIL money talks.

Let's roll this back. I am a new head coach. My QB room consists of AJ, JJ, G, and Wilson. 3 pocket passers and one RPO guy. One of my pocket passers actually played at a Power school to parlay that into an opportunity at LSU. If I am the head coach st App. St , I am sure in the hell not going to install an RPO offense that only one QB could potentially effectively run..and zero D1 experience at QB.

That makes complete sense. I think the rub imo is DLO coming out and saying what he said about Wilson after the game. It’s making people scratch their heads a bit but I see Your point

[BambooRdApp]

Unless you are way more talented and bigger in all aspects of the game, I don't know how you design an offense without plays for a running quarterback and win. It is too easy to defend against a slow quarterback. We have been watching it first hand for years.

Only 2 of the 8 teams left in cfp playoffs have QBs that run effectively.
Not sure if you mean a package for a QB or you are stating you have to have a running QB as the starter to win
I think you can have a package. Although not a QB, Dook used Castle in short yardage situations. Stink brought in the "big guy" QB in short yardage situations.

[appdaze]

DLo stated he should have helped him with development. He did not say he was better than AJ or JJ.

And now we'll never know if he could have been. NIL money talks.

Let's roll this back. I am a new head coach. My QB room consists of AJ, JJ, G, and Wilson. 3 pocket passers and one RPO guy. One of my pocket passers actually played at a Power school to parlay that into an opportunity at LSU. If I am the head coach st App. St , I am sure in the hell not going to install an RPO offense that only one QB could potentially effectively run..and zero D1 experience at QB.

If I am the head coach I run with an offense that will work with the QB the most ready coming out of camp. I don't give up and move on from the only truly mobile QB on my roster. DLo is supposed to be the QB guru. This should have been right in his wheelhouse.

Also, coming from a P4 AJ did better at Vandy than he did for us. QB guru indeed.

JJ was an unkown as he rode the pine.

DLo probably knew going into this season that his QBs would be gone at the end of the season and had not the wherewithal to develop a young QB on his roster for the future that probably wouldn't cost an NIL arm and a leg like what we will probably bring in again. He makes too much money to not make better decisions about the future with what he had at the time this season. I think it appears he is aware of this as well and has probably been told as much by those that move and shake. We will never know what Wilson was or wasn't capable of. That is the factual truth. All we can do now is move forward and hope DLo can to better in the future.

[AppDawg]

Unless you are way more talented and bigger in all aspects of the game, I don't know how you design an offense without plays for a running quarterback and win. It is too easy to defend against a slow quarterback. We have been watching it first hand for years.

Only 2 of the 8 teams left in cfp playoffs have QBs that run effectively.
Not sure if you mean a package for a QB or you are stating you have to have a running QB as the starter to win
I think you can have a package. Although not a QB, Dook used Castle in short yardage situations. Stink brought in the "big guy" QB in short yardage situations.

I don’t think we need a “running QB” a la AE or Cadet (though it is fun to watch)… more of Lamb/Thomas will do. JJ actually showed glimpses of it this season but it was way too rare of an occurrence. If the D is gonna give you 5 or 6 yds, take it vs throwing a low percentage pass/taking a sack. We gave up sooo many yards this year not having the QB take what he could on a busted or pocket collapsing play.

[Stonewall]

Coach admitted his mistake. Hope he learned from it.

[spacemonkey]

Unless you are way more talented and bigger in all aspects of the game, I don't know how you design an offense without plays for a running quarterback and win. It is too easy to defend against a slow quarterback. We have been watching it first hand for years.

Only 2 of the 8 teams left in cfp playoffs have QBs that run effectively.
Not sure if you mean a package for a QB or you are stating you have to have a running QB as the starter to win
I think you can have a package. Although not a QB, Dook used Castle in short yardage situations. Stink brought in the "big guy" QB in short yardage situations.

I don’t think we need a “running QB” a la AE or Cadet (though it is fun to watch)… more of Lamb/Thomas will do. JJ actually showed glimpses of it this season but it was way too rare of an occurrence. If the D is gonna give you 5 or 6 yds, take it vs throwing a low percentage pass/taking a sack. We gave up sooo many yards this year not having the QB take what he could on a busted or pocket collapsing play.

Exactly...i am not talking about a run first quarterback....but he has to be able to run for 5 yards when the defense is leaning one way.

[spacemonkey]

6 of the 8 teams have won with superior athletes.

[spacemonkey]

A running back able to catch out of the backfield is pretty important as well. You need every option to be a dominant football team.

[ASUTodd]

Dlo said that since Wilson wasn't going to win the QB spot (competed for it and it didn't go his way) that he (Wilson) wanted to switch to DB.... Dlo allowed him to do it.