Birmingham Bowl

[AppDawg]

Player Participation from Monday: 50

29 of them are underclassmen - 5 saw game action for 1st time. 2 others just 2nd game played. The mishaps I saw during game I largely chalk up to inexperience. The youth movement has me optimistic for first time in long time for the future. To me this has the feel of Satterfield in ‘14.

Participation by class:

12 - True Freshman,
6 - RS Freshman (2 in Portal)
11 - RS Sophomore,
1 - Junior,
8 - RS Junior (2 in Portal),
12 - Sr Graduates.

[AppWyo]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

[AppWyo]

The Birmingham Bowl does have a cool trophy; it would have been nice to have it in our trophy cabinet. Maybe when we beat them next season in Statesboro, they will let us take it home with us.

[bcoach]

The Birmingham Bowl does have a cool trophy; it would have been nice to have it in our trophy cabinet. Maybe when we beat them next season in Statesboro, they will let us take it home with us.

It will be corroded by then.

[BambooRdApp]

The Birmingham Bowl does have a cool trophy; it would have been nice to have it in our trophy cabinet. Maybe when we beat them next season in Statesboro, they will let us take it home with us.

It will be corroded by then.

And the incurable diseases that will spread. No Thanks

[MrCraig]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

100% agree with your last statement. If I was a Stink fan, I’d be miserable with my team right now.

I understand your first point, but it also sort of supports my main point. Some folks on this board are acting like DLo is an idiot because he didn’t run out the starting lineup from the B-Ham bowl all season. The guys who played on Monday were not better than the guys who played back in November RIGHT NOW. They may, and I certainly hope they do, develop into great players.

[BUTCH1991]

Player Participation from Monday: 50

29 of them are underclassmen - 5 saw game action for 1st time. 2 others just 2nd game played. The mishaps I saw during game I largely chalk up to inexperience. The youth movement has me optimistic for first time in long time for the future. To me this has the feel of Satterfield in ‘14.

Participation by class:

12 - True Freshman,
6 - RS Freshman (2 in Portal)
11 - RS Sophomore,
1 - Junior,
8 - RS Junior (2 in Portal),
12 - Sr Graduates.

Man, I sure hope you're right. I would take 2015-2019 again.

[MrCraig]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

All fair points. Wilson wasn’t ready for prime time, since the guy didn’t take snaps as a QB all season. But did he show enough flash in the bowl game to convince you that the kid has potential to be developed into a QB who could bring value?

Yes.

Sure!
But would the Yosef’s Cabin posters have been happy with watching Wilson struggle but maybe get a little better all year? Would he have grown enough to change the outcome of the games App lost?
I don’t think so.

[Seattleapp]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

How do you figure Ga Southern is in a worse place than we are? There was no moment in that game we lost by 3 touchdowns did any honest observer think we were going to win. And yes their QB is leaving but all our qb’s left too. And Helton may not be a world beater, but his guys want to stick around and play for him. And he’s won a little down there. Until DLo proves he can retain platers or win with the guys he’s bringing in, it’s hard to say App is in a better position that any of our rivals.

[Seattleapp]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

All fair points. Wilson wasn’t ready for prime time, since the guy didn’t take snaps as a QB all season. But did he show enough flash in the bowl game to convince you that the kid has potential to be developed into a QB who could bring value?

Yes.

Sure!
But would the Yosef’s Cabin posters have been happy with watching Wilson struggle but maybe get a little better all year? Would he have grown enough to change the outcome of the games App lost?
I don’t think so.

You are probably right. I just am wondering how DLO couldn’t recognize his potential ti provide something with a running package. I only say this because he coached sellers

[ah59396]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

How do you figure Ga Southern is in a worse place than we are? There was no moment in that game we lost by 3 touchdowns did any honest observer think we were going to win. And yes their QB is leaving but all our qb’s left too. And Helton may not be a world beater, but his guys want to stick around and play for him. And he’s won a little down there. Until DLo proves he can retain platers or win with the guys he’s bringing in, it’s hard to say App is in a better position that any of our rivals.

I guess the counter would be that Helton’s been there 4 seasons now. And he’s gone:

6-7 - 4th sun belt east
6-7 - 5th sun belt east
8-5 - 2nd sun belt east
7-6 - 4th sun belt east

His past three seasons he’s also posted the 93rd, 73rd, and now 101st ranked recruiting class heading into next season.

To me, they damn sure look like a program that’s a year away from being where we were December 2024.

They may well surprise us next year, and I have no connections to Ga Southern but I’d bet his seat will be scorching hot next year if he doesn’t start off hot.

I, and many others here like to gripe about the uphill battle we face with NIL/portal. But I gotta imagine it’s even more brutal for Gag. They’ve got no where near the national brand we have.

[biggie]

Stink only has 6 in portal now it seems. 4 OL and 2 QBs.

[mike87]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

All fair points. Wilson wasn’t ready for prime time, since the guy didn’t take snaps as a QB all season. But did he show enough flash in the bowl game to convince you that the kid has potential to be developed into a QB who could bring value?

Yes.

Sure!
But would the Yosef’s Cabin posters have been happy with watching Wilson struggle but maybe get a little better all year? Would he have grown enough to change the outcome of the games App lost?
I don’t think so.

We'd have never seen Wilson had one of the two starting QB's played in the Bowl until he showed up against us on another team's roster. DLO pretty much admitted that in his presser. Kid was in the portal and gone, maybe now we try to salvage him. Hope we can.

[appfanjj]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

100% agree with your last statement. If I was a Stink fan, I’d be miserable with my team right now.

I understand your first point, but it also sort of supports my main point. Some folks on this board are acting like DLo is an idiot because he didn’t run out the starting lineup from the B-Ham bowl all season. The guys who played on Monday were not better than the guys who played back in November RIGHT NOW. They may, and I certainly hope they do, develop into great players.

Disagree. Wilson is / was a better option at QB than both of the guys who shared that position plus Gillon. He just never got the chance to show it.
If all four of the guys who played QB for us at ant point this year were all coming back next year who would you start?

[BambooRdApp]

Not sure I agree with that. Maybe 6 would or wouldn't. I am not sure Stink was thinking about prepping for a run first QB from App. St.. as we did not field one all year. With a team being able to prep, results could be different or not. No one knows.

[AppDawg]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

How do you figure Ga Southern is in a worse place than we are? There was no moment in that game we lost by 3 touchdowns did any honest observer think we were going to win. And yes their QB is leaving but all our qb’s left too. And Helton may not be a world beater, but his guys want to stick around and play for him. And he’s won a little down there. Until DLo proves he can retain platers or win with the guys he’s bringing in, it’s hard to say App is in a better position that any of our rivals.

No moment in game thought we would win? It must be insufferable watching a game with you. It was 13-7 at half. Our D was playing well (except last drive 4th qtr), we drove field on O. Yeah, had turnovers in red zone but put ourselves in position. We beat ourselves with execution (go back to earlier comment about inexperience), but plays were there.

FG’s alone was a TD swing in score. Kicking into wind the false starts a killer and imop a phantom running into kicker gave Stink a redo.

I hate moral victories and certainly participation trophies… only scoreboard counts, but there was A LOT of good coming out of Monday.

[Seattleapp]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

How do you figure Ga Southern is in a worse place than we are? There was no moment in that game we lost by 3 touchdowns did any honest observer think we were going to win. And yes their QB is leaving but all our qb’s left too. And Helton may not be a world beater, but his guys want to stick around and play for him. And he’s won a little down there. Until DLo proves he can retain platers or win with the guys he’s bringing in, it’s hard to say App is in a better position that any of our rivals.

I guess the counter would be that Helton’s been there 4 seasons now. And he’s gone:

6-7 - 4th sun belt east
6-7 - 5th sun belt east
8-5 - 2nd sun belt east
7-6 - 4th sun belt east

His past three seasons he’s also posted the 93rd, 73rd, and now 101st ranked recruiting class heading into next season.

To me, they damn sure look like a program that’s a year away from being where we were December 2024.

They may well surprise us next year, and I have no connections to Ga Southern but I’d bet his seat will be scorching hot next year if he doesn’t start off hot.

I, and many others here like to gripe about the uphill battle we face with NIL/portal. But I gotta imagine it’s even more brutal for Gag. They’ve got no where near the national brand we have.

All very good points and I don’t think southern fans are super happy with him. I agree. I’m just not quite ready to say we are better off after watching our coach this season. Next year may prove me wrong

[Seattleapp]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

How do you figure Ga Southern is in a worse place than we are? There was no moment in that game we lost by 3 touchdowns did any honest observer think we were going to win. And yes their QB is leaving but all our qb’s left too. And Helton may not be a world beater, but his guys want to stick around and play for him. And he’s won a little down there. Until DLo proves he can retain platers or win with the guys he’s bringing in, it’s hard to say App is in a better position that any of our rivals.

No moment in game thought we would win? It must be insufferable watching a game with you. It was 13-7 at half. Our D was playing well (except last drive 4th qtr), we drove field on O. Yeah, had turnovers in red zone but put ourselves in position. We beat ourselves with execution (go back to earlier comment about inexperience), but plays were there.

FG’s alone was a TD swing in score. Kicking into wind the false starts a killer and imop a phantom running into kicker gave Stink a redo.

I hate moral victories and certainly participation trophies… only scoreboard counts, but there was A LOT of good coming out of Monday.

You may be surprised as to how I am to watch a game with. I loved seeing Wilson compete. But again, watching us have 3 straight penalties on a field goal try was frustrating. And I did wonder why we had a guy like Wilson our coaches couldn’t find any packages for him. Not handing him the keys but utilizing him in some way. I also I really don’t get why every message has to have the personal insult thrown in. It just smacks of weird insecurity. You can counter my position which is totally cool, but I don’t get the attack on me when you don’t know me. That’s a weird trait that permeates through this board entirely too often and imo takes away from legitimate debate. And I mean this in all honesty. What was ALL the good that came out of the game?

[appfanjj]

Not sure I agree with that. Maybe 6 would or wouldn't. I am not sure Stink was thinking about prepping for a run first QB from App. St.. as we did not field one all year. With a team being able to prep, results could be different or not. No one knows.

True. Nobody we played was prepping for a run first QB because we didn't have one (that played). You can design a more effective offense around a QB that can run some. Keeps the D honest and opens things up more. Will agree that 6 wasn't great in the passing department but his first INT was on the receiver and not him.

[bcoach]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

All fair points. Wilson wasn’t ready for prime time, since the guy didn’t take snaps as a QB all season. But did he show enough flash in the bowl game to convince you that the kid has potential to be developed into a QB who could bring value?

Yes.

Sure!
But would the Yosef’s Cabin posters have been happy with watching Wilson struggle but maybe get a little better all year? Would he have grown enough to change the outcome of the games App lost?
I don’t think so.

You are probably right. I just am wondering how DLO couldn’t recognize his potential ti provide something with a running package. I only say this because he coached sellers

Part of that answer is that DLO was doing two jobs and our QB coach did not have QB on his resume.