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[Mjohn1988]

Practice should never be open to anyone outside the team....period. I don't care how much money you give.

I wouldn’t go that far. There are people who need to know what’s going on at practice. There could also be opportunities for an observer to help coaches become better at their craft. Would you pay a group of people and have them forbid you from watching what they’re doing at work?

Lol. Entitled fans and donors. The game is FAR more competitive than it has ever been. Every little thing helps and every little leak hurts. Y'all can't have a winning team and one that is open for y'all to tinker around with.

“Y’all”, the only time I’ve ever been on that field for practice was when I was part of the practice. And if what you are saying, “the game is FAR more competitive than it has ever been”, is true, then our coaches should be looking for any way possible to get better. Some people who have enough money to be big donors are very smart people. Maybe those folks could help with some motivational or organizational things. There is a lot more to being a great coach than just knowing football. I just think it’s something to stay open minded about. And I’m not saying the visits should be often or intrusive.

[Bootsy]

Pro Tip - if you go into your YC profiles and set them to ignore a certain poster, it’s amazing how much shorter and more enjoyable these threads become.

[appfanz]

I've been to Mountaineer Talk every week until the last two weeks, and those were due to a scheduling conflict and illness, respectively. I plan on being there this Wednesday. Since Mountaineer Talk was mentioned, I'll offer my first-hand experience.

Dowell shows up right before the show (sometimes with seconds to spare) as they just finished practice. Then he usually leaves soon after his 30-minute segment to go to Franklin Graham's campfire circle that App coaches always go to. MT use to be on Tuesday, but Dowell wanted it on Wednesday. The off-week not long ago, Dowell had it moved to Tuesday with 48 hours notice because he had a scheduling conflict on Wednesday, and he stayed a little longer.

Stuff said so far about how personable he is or not tracks. He's not a big talker to people, but he does engage if someone wants to talk to him, and people often do right after his segment.

He's very guarded during his talk with Adam Witten. Starts off with short answers while watching the TVs set up all over River Street Ale House, but eventually he does go a little more in depth. Honestly, the players have been more of the highlights this season, and that's not always been the case. I use to go every week in the 2010s when I lived in Blowing Rock until moving away during the pandemic. I missed the Clark era MT's, but by all accounts he loved talking to the people there.

Not sure I read anything into that but an interesting take,

[AppStFan1]

I've been to Mountaineer Talk every week until the last two weeks, and those were due to a scheduling conflict and illness, respectively. I plan on being there this Wednesday. Since Mountaineer Talk was mentioned, I'll offer my first-hand experience.

Dowell shows up right before the show (sometimes with seconds to spare) as they just finished practice. Then he usually leaves soon after his 30-minute segment to go to Franklin Graham's campfire circle that App coaches always go to. MT use to be on Tuesday, but Dowell wanted it on Wednesday. The off-week not long ago, Dowell had it moved to Tuesday with 48 hours notice because he had a scheduling conflict on Wednesday, and he stayed a little longer.

Stuff said so far about how personable he is or not tracks. He's not a big talker to people, but he does engage if someone wants to talk to him, and people often do right after his segment.

He's very guarded during his talk with Adam Witten. Starts off with short answers while watching the TVs set up all over River Street Ale House, but eventually he does go a little more in depth. Honestly, the players have been more of the highlights this season, and that's not always been the case. I use to go every week in the 2010s when I lived in Blowing Rock until moving away during the pandemic. I missed the Clark era MT's, but by all accounts he loved talking to the people there.

Not sure I read anything into that but an interesting take,

I was about to say the same thing. Loggains is very engaging. It really does seem those who say he isolates himself feel that way because they expect him to come up to them. If you want to talk to Loggains just approach him. He is a very good conversation.

[Seattleapp]

I've been to Mountaineer Talk every week until the last two weeks, and those were due to a scheduling conflict and illness, respectively. I plan on being there this Wednesday. Since Mountaineer Talk was mentioned, I'll offer my first-hand experience.

Dowell shows up right before the show (sometimes with seconds to spare) as they just finished practice. Then he usually leaves soon after his 30-minute segment to go to Franklin Graham's campfire circle that App coaches always go to. MT use to be on Tuesday, but Dowell wanted it on Wednesday. The off-week not long ago, Dowell had it moved to Tuesday with 48 hours notice because he had a scheduling conflict on Wednesday, and he stayed a little longer.

Stuff said so far about how personable he is or not tracks. He's not a big talker to people, but he does engage if someone wants to talk to him, and people often do right after his segment.

He's very guarded during his talk with Adam Witten. Starts off with short answers while watching the TVs set up all over River Street Ale House, but eventually he does go a little more in depth. Honestly, the players have been more of the highlights this season, and that's not always been the case. I use to go every week in the 2010s when I lived in Blowing Rock until moving away during the pandemic. I missed the Clark era MT's, but by all accounts he loved talking to the people there.

Not sure I read anything into that but an interesting take,

I was about to say the same thing. Loggains is very engaging. It really does seem those who say he isolates himself feel that way because they expect him to come up to them. If you want to talk to Loggains just approach him. He is a very good conversation.

Dude we get it. You love him. Maybe he likes your smile which is great. But others have had different interactions with him. It’s all moot for most of us. We want a winning product on the field. You endlessly telling us how great a guy he is because he signed your t shirt doesn’t make him a good coach

[AppWyo]

I've been to Mountaineer Talk every week until the last two weeks, and those were due to a scheduling conflict and illness, respectively. I plan on being there this Wednesday. Since Mountaineer Talk was mentioned, I'll offer my first-hand experience.

Dowell shows up right before the show (sometimes with seconds to spare) as they just finished practice. Then he usually leaves soon after his 30-minute segment to go to Franklin Graham's campfire circle that App coaches always go to. MT use to be on Tuesday, but Dowell wanted it on Wednesday. The off-week not long ago, Dowell had it moved to Tuesday with 48 hours notice because he had a scheduling conflict on Wednesday, and he stayed a little longer.

Stuff said so far about how personable he is or not tracks. He's not a big talker to people, but he does engage if someone wants to talk to him, and people often do right after his segment.

He's very guarded during his talk with Adam Witten. Starts off with short answers while watching the TVs set up all over River Street Ale House, but eventually he does go a little more in depth. Honestly, the players have been more of the highlights this season, and that's not always been the case. I use to go every week in the 2010s when I lived in Blowing Rock until moving away during the pandemic. I missed the Clark era MT's, but by all accounts he loved talking to the people there.

Not sure I read anything into that but an interesting take,

I was about to say the same thing. Loggains is very engaging. It really does seem those who say he isolates himself feel that way because they expect him to come up to them. If you want to talk to Loggains just approach him. He is a very good conversation.

Dude we get it. You love him. Maybe he likes your smile which is great. But others have had different interactions with him. It’s all moot for most of us. We want a winning product on the field. You endlessly telling us how great a guy he is because he signed your t shirt doesn’t make him a good coach

What you just wrote speaks well of your character as well.

[Seattleapp]

I've been to Mountaineer Talk every week until the last two weeks, and those were due to a scheduling conflict and illness, respectively. I plan on being there this Wednesday. Since Mountaineer Talk was mentioned, I'll offer my first-hand experience.

Dowell shows up right before the show (sometimes with seconds to spare) as they just finished practice. Then he usually leaves soon after his 30-minute segment to go to Franklin Graham's campfire circle that App coaches always go to. MT use to be on Tuesday, but Dowell wanted it on Wednesday. The off-week not long ago, Dowell had it moved to Tuesday with 48 hours notice because he had a scheduling conflict on Wednesday, and he stayed a little longer.

Stuff said so far about how personable he is or not tracks. He's not a big talker to people, but he does engage if someone wants to talk to him, and people often do right after his segment.

He's very guarded during his talk with Adam Witten. Starts off with short answers while watching the TVs set up all over River Street Ale House, but eventually he does go a little more in depth. Honestly, the players have been more of the highlights this season, and that's not always been the case. I use to go every week in the 2010s when I lived in Blowing Rock until moving away during the pandemic. I missed the Clark era MT's, but by all accounts he loved talking to the people there.

Not sure I read anything into that but an interesting take,

I was about to say the same thing. Loggains is very engaging. It really does seem those who say he isolates himself feel that way because they expect him to come up to them. If you want to talk to Loggains just approach him. He is a very good conversation.

Dude we get it. You love him. Maybe he likes your smile which is great. But others have had different interactions with him. It’s all moot for most of us. We want a winning product on the field. You endlessly telling us how great a guy he is because he signed your t shirt doesn’t make him a good coach

What you just wrote speaks well of your character as well.

Huh?

[ASUTodd]

Not sure I read anything into that but an interesting take,

I was about to say the same thing. Loggains is very engaging. It really does seem those who say he isolates himself feel that way because they expect him to come up to them. If you want to talk to Loggains just approach him. He is a very good conversation.

Dude we get it. You love him. Maybe he likes your smile which is great. But others have had different interactions with him. It’s all moot for most of us. We want a winning product on the field. You endlessly telling us how great a guy he is because he signed your t shirt doesn’t make him a good coach

What you just wrote speaks well of your character as well.

Huh?

The irony of you saying someone loves somebody and worships them.....

[Saint3333]

Anecdotal, but he's not engaging during Mountaineer Walk. My kids no longer break from the tailgate to watch it. For years they would stop everything to make sure they got to participate in that.

[AppStFan1]

I've been to Mountaineer Talk every week until the last two weeks, and those were due to a scheduling conflict and illness, respectively. I plan on being there this Wednesday. Since Mountaineer Talk was mentioned, I'll offer my first-hand experience.

Dowell shows up right before the show (sometimes with seconds to spare) as they just finished practice. Then he usually leaves soon after his 30-minute segment to go to Franklin Graham's campfire circle that App coaches always go to. MT use to be on Tuesday, but Dowell wanted it on Wednesday. The off-week not long ago, Dowell had it moved to Tuesday with 48 hours notice because he had a scheduling conflict on Wednesday, and he stayed a little longer.

Stuff said so far about how personable he is or not tracks. He's not a big talker to people, but he does engage if someone wants to talk to him, and people often do right after his segment.

He's very guarded during his talk with Adam Witten. Starts off with short answers while watching the TVs set up all over River Street Ale House, but eventually he does go a little more in depth. Honestly, the players have been more of the highlights this season, and that's not always been the case. I use to go every week in the 2010s when I lived in Blowing Rock until moving away during the pandemic. I missed the Clark era MT's, but by all accounts he loved talking to the people there.

Not sure I read anything into that but an interesting take,

I was about to say the same thing. Loggains is very engaging. It really does seem those who say he isolates himself feel that way because they expect him to come up to them. If you want to talk to Loggains just approach him. He is a very good conversation.

Dude we get it. You love him. Maybe he likes your smile which is great. But others have had different interactions with him. It’s all moot for most of us. We want a winning product on the field. You endlessly telling us how great a guy he is because he signed your t shirt doesn’t make him a good coach

All I have said is that he was engaging and a good convo. Like Stonewall or someone else said he just isn't as outgoing as Shawn was. If you approach him he will talk but he is not comfortable going out of his way to go up to strangers.

I never said he is a good head coach. That is to be determined. I just think we need to give him a fair shot is all. If he fails to make a bowl game this year and next year then he should be on the hot seat going into 2027 but not in October of his first season like a few.

You have to remember that beyond Loggains we can't be hot headed and quick to fire a coach or else it will be harder to get others to come. Coaches want to feel they will be given enough time for a fair shot.

[Seattleapp]

I've been to Mountaineer Talk every week until the last two weeks, and those were due to a scheduling conflict and illness, respectively. I plan on being there this Wednesday. Since Mountaineer Talk was mentioned, I'll offer my first-hand experience.

Dowell shows up right before the show (sometimes with seconds to spare) as they just finished practice. Then he usually leaves soon after his 30-minute segment to go to Franklin Graham's campfire circle that App coaches always go to. MT use to be on Tuesday, but Dowell wanted it on Wednesday. The off-week not long ago, Dowell had it moved to Tuesday with 48 hours notice because he had a scheduling conflict on Wednesday, and he stayed a little longer.

Stuff said so far about how personable he is or not tracks. He's not a big talker to people, but he does engage if someone wants to talk to him, and people often do right after his segment.

He's very guarded during his talk with Adam Witten. Starts off with short answers while watching the TVs set up all over River Street Ale House, but eventually he does go a little more in depth. Honestly, the players have been more of the highlights this season, and that's not always been the case. I use to go every week in the 2010s when I lived in Blowing Rock until moving away during the pandemic. I missed the Clark era MT's, but by all accounts he loved talking to the people there.

Not sure I read anything into that but an interesting take,

I was about to say the same thing. Loggains is very engaging. It really does seem those who say he isolates himself feel that way because they expect him to come up to them. If you want to talk to Loggains just approach him. He is a very good conversation.

Dude we get it. You love him. Maybe he likes your smile which is great. But others have had different interactions with him. It’s all moot for most of us. We want a winning product on the field. You endlessly telling us how great a guy he is because he signed your t shirt doesn’t make him a good coach

All I have said is that he was engaging and a good convo. Like Stonewall or someone else said he just isn't as outgoing as Shawn was. If you approach him he will talk but he is not comfortable going out of his way to go up to strangers.

I never said he is a good head coach. That is to be determined. I just think we need to give him a fair shot is all. If he fails to make a bowl game this year and next year then he should be on the hot seat going into 2027.

That’s fair!

[AppStFan1]

Anecdotal, but he's not engaging during Mountaineer Walk. My kids no longer break from the tailgate to watch it. For years they would stop everything to make sure they got to participate in that.

That is not shocking. I wish he would but I am not going to call for his job because he does not do it. That is just his personality.

[Seattleapp]

I was about to say the same thing. Loggains is very engaging. It really does seem those who say he isolates himself feel that way because they expect him to come up to them. If you want to talk to Loggains just approach him. He is a very good conversation.

Dude we get it. You love him. Maybe he likes your smile which is great. But others have had different interactions with him. It’s all moot for most of us. We want a winning product on the field. You endlessly telling us how great a guy he is because he signed your t shirt doesn’t make him a good coach

What you just wrote speaks well of your character as well.

Huh?

The irony of you saying someone loves somebody and worships them.....

Again. that makes zero sense in relation to what I was speaking about. Is there a comment where I was worshiping someone? Some of yall are itching for a fight so bad you pick one where it’s not warranted. Appstatefan1 has been a big DLO advocate. I’m busting his chops a bit and he’s responding in kind. I actually respect his responses. These other drive by’s are useless

[AppStFan1]

Dude we get it. You love him. Maybe he likes your smile which is great. But others have had different interactions with him. It’s all moot for most of us. We want a winning product on the field. You endlessly telling us how great a guy he is because he signed your t shirt doesn’t make him a good coach

What you just wrote speaks well of your character as well.

Huh?

The irony of you saying someone loves somebody and worships them.....

Again. that makes zero sense in relation to what I was speaking about. Is there a comment where I was worshiping someone? Some of yall are itching for a fight so bad you pick one where it’s not warranted. Appstatefan1 has been a big DLO advocate. I’m busting his chops a bit and he’s responding in kind. I actually respect his responses. These other drive by’s are useless

I am being an advocate for being fair to him is all. It is too early to know if he will get us where we want to be and I don't want other coaches to see us make snap decisions and then avoid us. We want to be a place that coaches want to use as a stepping stone. Drink had his big year in year 4 at Missouri. It would not shock me if Loggains is going to need 3-4 years.

[Seattleapp]

What you just wrote speaks well of your character as well.

Huh?

The irony of you saying someone loves somebody and worships them.....

Again. that makes zero sense in relation to what I was speaking about. Is there a comment where I was worshiping someone? Some of yall are itching for a fight so bad you pick one where it’s not warranted. Appstatefan1 has been a big DLO advocate. I’m busting his chops a bit and he’s responding in kind. I actually respect his responses. These other drive by’s are useless

I am being an advocate for being fair to him is all. It is too early to know if he will get us where we want to be and I don't want other coaches to see us make snap decisions and then avoid us. We want to be a place that coaches want to use as a stepping stone. Drink had his big year in year 4 at Missouri. It would not shock me if Loggains is going to need 3-4 years.

I respect your position and optimism. I’m not not there with him yet. I hope he changes my mind

[AppStFan1]

Huh?

The irony of you saying someone loves somebody and worships them.....

Again. that makes zero sense in relation to what I was speaking about. Is there a comment where I was worshiping someone? Some of yall are itching for a fight so bad you pick one where it’s not warranted. Appstatefan1 has been a big DLO advocate. I’m busting his chops a bit and he’s responding in kind. I actually respect his responses. These other drive by’s are useless

I am being an advocate for being fair to him is all. It is too early to know if he will get us where we want to be and I don't want other coaches to see us make snap decisions and then avoid us. We want to be a place that coaches want to use as a stepping stone. Drink had his big year in year 4 at Missouri. It would not shock me if Loggains is going to need 3-4 years.

I respect your position and optimism. I’m not not there with him yet. I hope he changes my mind

He has definitely made some decisions I question but that is always going to happen with a first-year head coach. I think you need to see how his high school recruiting class looks, what we do in the portal, what staff changes he makes, and see how Loggains evolves from year 1 to year 2. There is a buyout to consider and we don't want to scare future potential head coaches off. I just think those who are mad he won't approach them or that he closed the building and practices off more than some self-entitled boosters or media like is not a fair reason to critique him. If we can beat Arkansas State and win a bowl game then we would certainly have some good momentum entering the signing day and the portal.

[ASUFan4863]

I've been to Mountaineer Talk every week until the last two weeks, and those were due to a scheduling conflict and illness, respectively. I plan on being there this Wednesday. Since Mountaineer Talk was mentioned, I'll offer my first-hand experience.

Dowell shows up right before the show (sometimes with seconds to spare) as they just finished practice. Then he usually leaves soon after his 30-minute segment to go to Franklin Graham's campfire circle that App coaches always go to. MT use to be on Tuesday, but Dowell wanted it on Wednesday. The off-week not long ago, Dowell had it moved to Tuesday with 48 hours notice because he had a scheduling conflict on Wednesday, and he stayed a little longer.

Stuff said so far about how personable he is or not tracks. He's not a big talker to people, but he does engage if someone wants to talk to him, and people often do right after his segment.

He's very guarded during his talk with Adam Witten. Starts off with short answers while watching the TVs set up all over River Street Ale House, but eventually he does go a little more in depth. Honestly, the players have been more of the highlights this season, and that's not always been the case. I use to go every week in the 2010s when I lived in Blowing Rock until moving away during the pandemic. I missed the Clark era MT's, but by all accounts he loved talking to the people there.

Not the point of your post, but mountaineer talk is on Tuesday this week.

[Saint3333]

Anecdotal, but he's not engaging during Mountaineer Walk. My kids no longer break from the tailgate to watch it. For years they would stop everything to make sure they got to participate in that.

That is not shocking. I wish he would but I am not going to call for his job because he does not do it. That is just his personality.

Don’t read more than is written. Your jump to conclusions mat should stay in the closet.

[AppDub]

The irony of you saying someone loves somebody and worships them.....

Again. that makes zero sense in relation to what I was speaking about. Is there a comment where I was worshiping someone? Some of yall are itching for a fight so bad you pick one where it’s not warranted. Appstatefan1 has been a big DLO advocate. I’m busting his chops a bit and he’s responding in kind. I actually respect his responses. These other drive by’s are useless

I am being an advocate for being fair to him is all. It is too early to know if he will get us where we want to be and I don't want other coaches to see us make snap decisions and then avoid us. We want to be a place that coaches want to use as a stepping stone. Drink had his big year in year 4 at Missouri. It would not shock me if Loggains is going to need 3-4 years.

I respect your position and optimism. I’m not not there with him yet. I hope he changes my mind

He has definitely made some decisions I question but that is always going to happen with a first-year head coach. I think you need to see how his high school recruiting class looks, what we do in the portal, what staff changes he makes, and see how Loggains evolves from year 1 to year 2. There is a buyout to consider and we don't want to scare future potential head coaches off. I just think those who are mad he won't approach them or that he closed the building and practices off more than some self-entitled boosters or media like is not a fair reason to critique him. If we can beat Arkansas State and win a bowl game then we would certainly have some good momentum entering the signing day and the portal.

I don't really have an issue with Coach Loggains as and HC. Yes it is a new position and he is learning g a bit as he goes, but I like how he has approached it so far other than the fact that he insists on being the OC. I truly hope he considers hiring a dedicated OC next year.

[AppSt94]

Anecdotal, but he's not engaging during Mountaineer Walk. My kids no longer break from the tailgate to watch it. For years they would stop everything to make sure they got to participate in that.

That is not shocking. I wish he would but I am not going to call for his job because he does not do it. That is just his personality.

Don’t read more than is written. Your jump to conclusions mat should stay in the closet.

Now you’ve done it. You made Saint and I see eye to eye.

No one is calling for his job because of the on field product. And yes, you need to trust the process. However, there are instances where situations occur that make one question the hire being the right fit. Everyone has good and bad qualities. Sometimes you can tolerate the bad because of the good. That goes for coaches as well as over zealous donors. I don’t expect DLo to walk up to me with my favorite drink in hand and hit on me. But when you rely on the generosity of others to fund your program then you have to put forth some proactive effort to press the flesh.

Are there other things that are going on behind the scenes that are cause for concern? Absolutely. Are there things going on behind the scenes that resemble some of the same stuff that went on last year? Apparently so. And yes, just like you can fire an alum with an overall winning % over .500 and get someone to take the job, there are ways to remove a coach after one year without firing them and someone else will take the job.