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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:40 pm

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Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:31 pm
I’m told there is substantial opposition to adding Louisiana Tech ,and significant support, at least at this time. It would seem that the conference would want overwhelming support if not unanimous, to add a member. It might be a situation where a “ straw poll “ is taken with agreement that if there is a majority, the others will go along under the guise of unity. I do not know.
Hope enough are against them that we don't make that add. I just don't see value from La Tech. I actually think the best thing for the league is to use a Texas State departure as a time to vote out ULM and so we got more room to add when things shake out on the new TV deals in a few years.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by T-Dog » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:44 pm

Stonewall wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:31 pm
I’m told there is substantial opposition to adding Louisiana Tech ,and significant support, at least at this time. It would seem that the conference would want overwhelming support if not unanimous, to add a member. It might be a situation where a “ straw poll “ is taken with agreement that if there is a majority, the others will go along under the guise of unity. I do not know.
Typically there's always two votes. A straw poll vote and then an official vote where everyone votes unanimously so it can be said.

Georgia State opposed Georgia Southern joining the Sun Belt in the straw poll, but votes "aye" in the official vote.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by Bootsy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:26 pm

LA Tech…remind me again what they’d bring to the SBC? I’ve been pondering it and nothing seems to come to mind.

Anyway, which would be better for SBC:
  • LA Tech joining? Or…
  • ULM leaving?

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:38 pm

Bootsy wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:26 pm
LA Tech…remind me again what they’d bring to the SBC? I’ve been pondering it and nothing seems to come to mind.

Anyway, which would be better for SBC:
  • LA Tech joining? Or…
  • ULM leaving?
ULM being booted would actually be better for the league.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:46 am

So does that retooled conference automatically become a power conference again? Do those G5 schools get elevated to power level simply because they joined a disjoined conference?

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:58 am

No the PAC is a G6 conference, albeit one that should be the highest rated each year.

New sublevels:

P2 - SEC, BIG10

Mezz 2 - ACC, BIG 12


G6
PAC

AAC, MWC, SBC

MAC, CUSA

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:08 am

Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:46 am
So does that retooled conference automatically become a power conference again? Do those G5 schools get elevated to power level simply because they joined a disjoined conference?
They will likely get the benefit of the doubt as the best of the G6 for at least a couple of years.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:10 am

Saint3333 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:58 am
No the PAC is a G6 conference, albeit one that should be the highest rated each year.

New sublevels:

P2 - SEC, BIG10

Mezz 2 - ACC, BIG 12


G6
PAC

AAC, MWC, SBC

MAC, CUSA
100% on power leagues. As for G6 I think you could argue how you listed or this below:

PAC
AAC, SBC
MWC

CUSA, MAC

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:11 am

AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:08 am
Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:46 am
So does that retooled conference automatically become a power conference again? Do those G5 schools get elevated to power level simply because they joined a disjoined conference?
They will likely get the benefit of the doubt as the best of the G6 for at least a couple of years.
I was thinking the same and mainly because they have Boise, WSU, and OSU.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AtlAppMan » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:15 am

What is the latest projection what schools will end up in PAC? There is so much flux that it is hard to determine who's in and who's not.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AppWyo » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:20 am

The saddest part about the new PAC is that they only have one school capable of making the CFP.

For them to become an Autonomous conference is just sickening.

Automatic bids for every conference to the CFP is the only way to stabilize conferences.

The people who think the Group schools should form their own playoff do not realize that is why schools leave NAIA, division III, division II, and FCS, because no one outside of those schools pay any attention to those championships. The move to FBS is for more notoriety that can be found in the lower divisions.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:24 am

AtlAppMan wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:15 am
What is the latest projection what schools will end up in PAC? There is so much flux that it is hard to determine who's in and who's not.
Texas State is for sure going and that would now mean in 2026 the league will have: Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Utah State, Texas State, and Gonzaga (non-football).

There is some discussion about adding some teams from the east and having divisions, staying at this new number, or possibly adding a couple more from the west coast.

People need to keep an eye on Sacramento State, UTSA, and Tarleton State for the future out there. I would say UNLV but apparently the state won't let them go without Nevada and it does not look like the PAC wants to add Nevada right now.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by hapapp » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:25 am

Earlier this week, the NCAA turned down Sac State's waiver petition to join FBS without a conference affiliation.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:31 am

AppStFan1 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:24 am
AtlAppMan wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:15 am
What is the latest projection what schools will end up in PAC? There is so much flux that it is hard to determine who's in and who's not.
Texas State is for sure going and that would now mean in 2026 the league will have: Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Utah State, Texas State, and Gonzaga (non-football).

There is some discussion about adding some teams from the east and having divisions, staying at this new number, or possibly adding a couple more from the west coast.

People need to keep an eye on Sacramento State, UTSA, and Tarleton State for the future out there. I would say UNLV but apparently the state won't let them go without Nevada and it does not look like the PAC wants to add Nevada right now.
That's a pretty good conference
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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:32 am

hapapp wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:25 am
Earlier this week, the NCAA turned down Sac State's waiver petition to join FBS without a conference affiliation.
They did but they are working on some things and I fully expect them to have a league invite at some point. They will be FBS by 2027 or 2028 for sure. There is a chance they in through a loophole for next year.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by appst89 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:33 am

hapapp wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:25 am
Earlier this week, the NCAA turned down Sac State's waiver petition to join FBS without a conference affiliation.
They lawyered up immediately and the NCAA hasn't fared too well lately where trade practices are concerned. I would be shocked if Sac St. is not playing FBS football in 2026.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:47 am

appst89 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:33 am
hapapp wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:25 am
Earlier this week, the NCAA turned down Sac State's waiver petition to join FBS without a conference affiliation.
They lawyered up immediately and the NCAA hasn't fared too well lately where trade practices are concerned. I would be shocked if Sac St. is not playing FBS football in 2026.
I agree. I do think what the NCAA should do is say if invited by a conference you pay 5M entry fee but if you don't get a league invite you should have to pay 10M and meet certain benchmarks with attendance, revenue, etc. I did not understand fully why Sac State did not qualify for waiver like Liberty did.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by Stonewall » Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:43 am

UNLV may be holding out for the B12.

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Re: Texas State "heavy favorite" to join Pac-12, LaTech favored to join Sun Belt

Unread post by JTApps1 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:47 am

I'm not sure LT is a terrible add, but they don't increase the value of the conference either. Unfortunately nobody in the West will bring much value. WKU is slightly better but aren't a homerun like Marshall or JMU were. Liberty has the best program we could grab, but we all know that ain't happening. The best move is to stay at 13 for a couple years.

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