NIL and future of NCAACF

[AppfaninCAALand]

The biggest P4 will still have different college sports. The SEC especially has been pouring money (earned from football primarily) into all kinds of Olympic sports for years. Look at the swimming, gymnastics, track and field, etc championships and there are tons of SEC schools involved. Also look at women's sports, the SEC is dominant in almost every single one of them, I can't think of one that they are not.

I have this theory I have been pondering recently that the only sports where non-P4 schools are able to compete are those sports that the SEC chooses not to participate (usually due to those sports being regional outside the Southeast). In those sports, the other P4 schools still tend to do better than the rest, but the gap is not as wide and other teams have a greater chance at championships.

Of all the NCAA sports, the only ones the SEC does not sponsor are ice hockey, field hockey, lacrosse, bowling, fencing, beach volleyball, water polo, mens soccer, and mens volleyball. Last year in EVERY non-SEC sport, at least one (and sometimes both like in mens soccer) of the teams in the finals were from a conference other than the P4, except for womens lacrosse (ACC v B1G) and water polo (but that is a weird one that is basically only played by the 4 former PAC12 schools in California where one of those 4 has won every title for 30 years).

While in sports that are sponsored by the SEC, NO non-P4 schools (except UConn womens basketball) played in the finals of any of them, even if SEC schools themselves did not make the finals.

I'm not sure what that means, but I think the power/wealth of the SEC probably causes the other P4 schools to work harder, while the absence of SEC power creates a vacuum for the non-P4 school to fill.

[t4pizza]

The biggest P4 will still have different college sports. The SEC especially has been pouring money (earned from football primarily) into all kinds of Olympic sports for years. Look at the swimming, gymnastics, track and field, etc championships and there are tons of SEC schools involved. Also look at women's sports, the SEC is dominant in almost every single one of them, I can't think of one that they are not.

I have this theory I have been pondering recently that the only sports where non-P4 schools are able to compete are those sports that the SEC chooses not to participate (usually due to those sports being regional outside the Southeast). In those sports, the other P4 schools still tend to do better than the rest, but the gap is not as wide and other teams have a greater chance at championships.

Of all the NCAA sports, the only ones the SEC does not sponsor are ice hockey, field hockey, lacrosse, bowling, fencing, beach volleyball, water polo, mens soccer, and mens volleyball. Last year in EVERY non-SEC sport, at least one (and sometimes both like in mens soccer) of the teams in the finals were from a conference other than the P4, except for womens lacrosse (ACC v B1G) and water polo (but that is a weird one that is basically only played by the 4 former PAC12 schools in California where one of those 4 has won every title for 30 years).

While in sports that are sponsored by the SEC, NO non-P4 schools played in the finals of any of them, even if SEC schools themselves did not make the finals.

I'm not sure what that means, but I think the power/wealth of the SEC probably causes the other P4 schools to work harder, while the absence of SEC power creates a vacuum for the non-P4 school to fill.

That is a great theory and I tend to agree with you on it.

[fjblair]

Let me sum up where we are. G5 programs would be fine if we went back to the paper bags of cash that magically show up in lockers of power programs system than what we have today.

Unquestionably true.

[JTApps1]

Just so people understand what reallocating existing funds means, potentially: cutting sports, cutting staff, reducing scholarships from teams that arent football and basketball, reducing budgets (both for teams and operationally), putting construction projects on hold, among other things that I'm not thinking of because I'm not Doug Gillian.

And then trying to add new sources of money- raising ticket prices, hoping playfly can increase our sponsorship values, doing something to increase our donor base, hope that Keith Gill gets his head out of his ass and negotiates a better media deal at the next opportunity, and yes, the gambling tax.

This is good for some athletes to get paid, but also potentially really bad for other athletes and some athletic departments.

I think we'll end up having around six legit D1 sports and the rest will be glorified D3 level. IMO there's an argument to be made both for and against this.

The biggest P4 will still have different college sports. The SEC especially has been pouring money (earned from football primarily) into all kinds of Olympic sports for years. Look at the swimming, gymnastics, track and field, etc championships and there are tons of SEC schools involved. Also look at women's sports, the SEC is dominant in almost every single one of them, I can't think of one that they are not. This will continue under this settlement because it actually will cost the SEC less than it currently does. Sharing 20 million in revenue between all these teams is nothing compared to the figure that boosters have been shelling out for NIL. Now the boosters can give directly back to the schools instead of picking sides (school or NIL collective). Read an interesting article about how the House settlement was a big win for the Big East because their basketball revenue sharing will be so much larger since those teams don't have football to spend money on. I won't be surprised if some (many?) schools drop football to concentrate on a more robust and deeper athletic department. Some administrators will get tired of shelling out the vast majority to a football program that really doesn't have a chance to win even a conference title (looking at you UNC and State).

I was speaking about App not all of D1. I'm sure others at our level will be in a similar situation.

[Mjohn1988]

So my original question still hasn’t gotten a direct answer but it looks like the answer is no, sports at App do not generate a profit. And thus there is no money to pay players. So at least at Apps level the whole players are being taken advantage of argument is a fallacy.

[Pikapp79]

So my original question still hasn’t gotten a direct answer but it looks like the answer is no, sports at App do not generate a profit. And thus there is no money to pay players. So at least at Apps level the whole players are being taken advantage of argument is a fallacy.

Not buying App athletics doesn’t generate a profit. You can play a lot of games with a large budget.

[AppSt94]

So my original question still hasn’t gotten a direct answer but it looks like the answer is no, sports at App do not generate a profit. And thus there is no money to pay players. So at least at Apps level the whole players are being taken advantage of argument is a fallacy.

Not buying App athletics doesn’t generate a profit. You can play a lot of games with a large budget.

The financials would show that they break even as a department.

[appdaze]

For this asking about the money. We more of less break even. Our revenue and expenditures tend to be within 200k of each other in any given year. So to find money to pay plays they would have to subtract from something currently in the budget.

[AppSt94]

Some departments have been asked to make some drastic cuts.

[Stonewall]

Not exactly “ asked”.

[Bootsy]

Anyone else read this?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... bankruptcy

Not sure exactly how to categorize Charlie Baker’s comments here…the word “outlandish” keeps popping into my head.

[Saint3333]

We spend every dollar raised and/or allocated to athletics.

There is no profit to share.

[APP93]

Appalachian is different, Appalachian beat Michigan when no one thought that was possible. Appalachian beat Texas A&M when no one thought that was possible as well as Marshall beating Notre Dame and Georgia Southern beating Nebraska. They can compete and we can compete. The only way we would not be able to compete is if they change the rules and not play us. The only reason that The Big Ten and SEC want those automatic bids is because they feel they need that kind of advantage to keep competing. They know that they are not really as far ahead as they would like us to think they are.

An even number of automatic bids for each conference is the only way to stabilize the conferences and may cause the conferences to become smaller and more regional than it is now.

The P4 programs are way ahead of us, yes as long as P4 teams continue to play G5 teams there will be the occasional one-off upset but make no mistake about it, schools like App can't compete consistently vs programs with billion $ media deals + a massive donor base with deep pockets.

The question I have is can we compete with peer programs??? In my mind that should be the goal, compete with all the Sun Belt teams as well as ECU, UNCC, etc...will G5 programs with deep pockets (JMU, Liberty) have a huge advantage over App, I guess we will see.

Personally I am extremely jaded after the NIL and transfer portal era. However, I held my nose made my donation and bought my season tickets...not sure if I will do it again next year and the actual results on the field will not be a factor in my decision, rather can I accept where college sports has and is going..TBD.

[Stonewall]

“Prepare for hard times “ Finebaum to G5s

[AppSt94]

Finebaum is a schill. He got those wrinkles lines around his mouth from Sankey.

[JTApps1]

Profit share is one thing, but everything I've read says this is Revenue share.

[Saint3333]

Revenue sharing is a sure way to lose money. If this were a company it would incentivize poor behavior.

[Bootsy]

Finebaum is a schill. He got those wrinkles lines around his mouth from Sankey.

#savage

[AppFan11]

Yes it is “revenue share.” Key phrase in House settlement is “but not required to”….. we won’t be sharing $20M or $10M or $5M or $3M…. nor will 90% of G5. This is where the gap between classifications gets greater. Also remember that those of us (us being all schools that join/ agree to follow the settlement rules) will be responsible for our portion of paying back pay to mostly P5 players since 2016……. Apps portion of just this part of agreement is $330k per year for 10 yrs. I do give Apos athletic department credit for doing what it can to keep things going as they have been. There are schools who are dropping sports, dropping classifications ….. St Francis a fcs school is dropping to D3….. b/c the Board of Trustees can no longer justify the expenditures for athletes only. They will not be the only ones.

[bcoach]

Yes it is “revenue share.” Key phrase in House settlement is “but not required to”….. we won’t be sharing $20M or $10M or $5M or $3M…. nor will 90% of G5. This is where the gap between classifications gets greater. Also remember that those of us (us being all schools that join/ agree to follow the settlement rules) will be responsible for our portion of paying back pay to mostly P5 players since 2016……. Apps portion of just this part of agreement is $330k per year for 10 yrs. I do give Apos athletic department credit for doing what it can to keep things going as they have been. There are schools who are dropping sports, dropping classifications ….. St Francis a fcs school is dropping to D3….. b/c the Board of Trustees can no longer justify the expenditures for athletes only. They will not be the only ones.

If that is true, the very first payment we make to that fund is my last day.