NIL and future of NCAACF

[Stonewall]

A friend of mine tells me he thinks we will drown. The good news is that we won’t be alone. From that , perhaps, college athletics can rise again. It will take boldness and courage. Where will that originate? He says it won’t be Gill.

[Saint3333]

I said three years ago that NIL would benefit the few at the expense of scholarships across the NCAA.

The power schools have come for us and no one will stop them. Glad I got to experience the first seven years of our FBS experience.

[AppSt94]

A friend of mine tells me he thinks we will drown. The good news is that we won’t be alone. From that , perhaps, college athletics can rise again. It will take boldness and courage. Where will that originate? He says it won’t be Gill.

Agree. Everyone will suffer from this. Including those that are at the top of the food chain.

[pop5app]

We really have No money in which to compete. It recall sucks that we have spent all this money on travel, salaries, infrastructure and on an on.

[AppWyo]

Appalachian is different, Appalachian beat Michigan when no one thought that was possible. Appalachian beat Texas A&M when no one thought that was possible as well as Marshall beating Notre Dame and Georgia Southern beating Nebraska. They can compete and we can compete. The only way we would not be able to compete is if they change the rules and not play us. The only reason that The Big Ten and SEC want those automatic bids is because they feel they need that kind of advantage to keep competing. They know that they are not really as far ahead as they would like us to think they are.

An even number of automatic bids for each conference is the only way to stabilize the conferences and may cause the conferences to become smaller and more regional than it is now.

[spacemonkey]

I hope a league without NIL is started with a restriction of leaving schools without sitting out 1 year. If you play pro you lose all eligibility. . A true student athlete league. I hope we join it. THIS IS A JOKE WHAT MONEY HAS DONE TO COLLEGE ATHLETICS. Nothing was holding back investors creating a professional farm league.

I cannot believe Stanford, NotreDame and even UNC are not pushing for a college league. Thry are selling their souls for no real gain that they would not get with a student athlete league. I really dont get what I am missing. Chapel Hill is about to find out money is a problem for them. They could dominate the ACC in money but it will be tough to compete with the SEC when they are the only game in their states. Wr shall see.

[BallantyneApp]

A friend of mine tells me he thinks we will drown. The good news is that we won’t be alone. From that , perhaps, college athletics can rise again. It will take boldness and courage. Where will that originate? He says it won’t be Gill.

If we drown half of FBS is drowned. Which it looks like is the case. I’m not sure what Gill could do even if he was so inclined. The courts have been pretty consistent so far.

[ah59396]

Appalachian is different, Appalachian beat Michigan when no one thought that was possible. Appalachian beat Texas A&M when no one thought that was possible as well as Marshall beating Notre Dame and Georgia Southern beating Nebraska. They can compete and we can compete. The only way we would not be able to compete is if they change the rules and not play us. The only reason that The Big Ten and SEC want those automatic bids is because they feel they need that kind of advantage to keep competing. They know that they are not really as far ahead as they would like us to think they are.

An even number of automatic bids for each conference is the only way to stabilize the conferences and may cause the conferences to become smaller and more regional than it is now.

The things that made us “different” were finding hidden gems, developing talent, culture building. Those days are over and so with it goes the thing that help make us great. We are at a massive disadvantage going forward.

[appdaze]

I have always been fine for athletes to be able to be paid for legit side gigs like any other student on campus. You go film and advertisement for peabodies? Great get paid. You go shake hands and kiss babies at events, heck yea get paid. You want sign some autographs, heck yea get paid. The problem with NIL is what they created with the collectives. Rules were not put in place to limit NIL to what it truly should have been to allow student athletes to make legit side money like all the other students without losing eligibility.

Like others have said though it all came down to money taking over.

It is what it is now. The whale is dead. The sharks are chomping down now. All that's left is to see how long it takes the sharks to finish their meal before it sinks.

[Saint3333]

I hope a league without NIL is started with a restriction of leaving schools without sitting out 1 year. If you play pro you lose all eligibility. . A true student athlete league. I hope we join it. THIS IS A JOKE WHAT MONEY HAS DONE TO COLLEGE ATHLETICS. Nothing was holding back investors creating a professional farm league.

I cannot believe Stanford, NotreDame and even UNC are not pushing for a college league. Thry are selling their souls for no real gain that they would not get with a student athlete league. I really dont get what I am missing. Chapel Hill is about to find out money is a problem for them. They could dominate the ACC in money but it will be tough to compete with the SEC when they are the only game in their states. Wr shall see.

You’re going to be surprised about the AFAM study program and fake degrees at UNCCH.

Those programs like to pretend they care about the student part of student athletes, they don’t. If they did they would be FCS like the Ivys.

[Bootsy]

Just so people understand what reallocating existing funds means, potentially: cutting sports, cutting staff, reducing scholarships from teams that arent football and basketball, reducing budgets (both for teams and operationally), putting construction projects on hold, among other things that I'm not thinking of because I'm not Doug Gillian.

And then trying to add new sources of money- raising ticket prices, hoping playfly can increase our sponsorship values, doing something to increase our donor base, hope that Keith Gill gets his head out of his ass and negotiates a better media deal at the next opportunity, and yes, the gambling tax.

This is good for some athletes to get paid, but also potentially really bad for other athletes and some athletic departments.

When schools begin determining what/where to make budget cuts, Title XI mandates will hamstring those efforts. That legislation isn’t going anywhere, so it’s gonna be tough for many to find the funds needed to save the money sports. This thing is only getting uglier and messier.

[Stonewall]

A “no pay for play but true NIL is ok “ , with collectives or any institutional involvement prohibited and heavy handed enforcement, association could be developed among like minded schools. Again , it calls for bold leadership, which I don’t see on the horizon. But maybe, just maybe…

[AppSt94]

A “no pay for play but true NIL is ok “ , with collectives or any institutional involvement prohibited and heavy handed enforcement, association could be developed among like minded schools. Again , it calls for bold leadership, which I don’t see on the horizon. But maybe, just maybe…

I’m somewhat hopeful with the oversight from Deloitte with the vetting of deals.

[bcoach]

I have always been fine for athletes to be able to be paid for legit side gigs like any other student on campus. You go film and advertisement for peabodies? Great get paid. You go shake hands and kiss babies at events, heck yea get paid. You want sign some autographs, heck yea get paid. The problem with NIL is what they created with the collectives. Rules were not put in place to limit NIL to what it truly should have been to allow student athletes to make legit side money like all the other students without losing eligibility.

Like others have said though it all came down to money taking over.

It is what it is now. The whale is dead. The sharks are chomping down now. All that's left is to see how long it takes the sharks to finish their meal before it sinks.

Yes but that was never what it was about. It was all about the "billions" schools were making "off of their backs". They didn't want to be able to do side jobs they wanted the schools money. The problem is most schools were not making that kind of money if any at all. In other words they wanted the profits with out buying the stock. So now because the schools are not making that money "off of their backs" the schools have to go out and raise money to make up for it. It makes no sense at all. It is like a company who is not making a profit starting a GoFundMe to pay the employees. Again I say
Was a bad idea, is a bad idea, always will be a bad idea.

[BambooRdApp]

The " side gig" for the student athlete is the sport they play for the University. Many are putting in more hours than a student with a "side gig".
We can debate whether they should get paid or not ...or whether the scholarship should be the only payment.
My point is that the amount of time that student athletes put in ...there are really not much time for other "side gigs".

And, yes, the athletes earn revenue for a university. Whether a university spends the money wisely....that can be debated by someone other than me as I have not been involved with operating an athletic department and related facilities that go along with that mission.

[Stonewall]

The revenue does not cover expenditures , without student fees. I do wonder about how depreciation of physical assets is factored in. It might be that the hole is much larger than it appears.

[bcoach]

The " side gig" for the student athlete is the sport they play for the University. Many are putting in more hours than a student with a "side gig".
We can debate whether they should get paid or not ...or whether the scholarship should be the only payment.
My point is that the amount of time that student athletes put in ...there are really not much time for other "side gigs".

And, yes, the athletes earn revenue for a university. Whether a university spends the money wisely....that can be debated by someone other than me as I have not been involved with operating an athletic department and related facilities that go along with that mission.

That is true but not as true as the trainers who put in more hours than the athletes for zero pay. Maybe a couple of t shirts.

[AppSt94]

The " side gig" for the student athlete is the sport they play for the University. Many are putting in more hours than a student with a "side gig".
We can debate whether they should get paid or not ...or whether the scholarship should be the only payment.
My point is that the amount of time that student athletes put in ...there are really not much time for other "side gigs".

And, yes, the athletes earn revenue for a university. Whether a university spends the money wisely....that can be debated by someone other than me as I have not been involved with operating an athletic department and related facilities that go along with that mission.

While true that athletes don’t have time for a normal job, social media has created opportunities that require minimal effort compared to a part time job that requires one to show up somewhere.

[t4pizza]

If the settlement works like they all expect this could actually be a good thing for App State and all smaller schools. I say this because although there is a lot of bad (increased scholarships and direct pay from schools, etc) there is also a lot of good in that NIL will be enforced to truly be NIL. The current cap for payment is less than Ohio State paid for its football team alone last year, and it has to be spread out to all teams (not many kids will actually make big money because there are too many mouths to feed). So the players are about to make significantly less than they have been with this crazy non enforced NIL. If all NIL deals over $600 are actually reviewed to determine a true business purpose and fair value, then a great deal of the tampering will automatically end. While there is true NIL value for a small percentage of college athletes, most have just been getting paid to play and calling it NIL. Does anyone really think that Santana Hopper has 6 digit marketing value for his new school? Of course not. So if that deal is reviewed and determined not to be true NIL, then it goes away. It will be interesting to see what happens to all these players who have been promised pay for play NIL for this up coming season but don't have contracts with a real business purpose. If all those deals go away so will a great deal of the tampering. If this stops, it is a win for App and small schools. I say "If" because I have real doubts.

All that being said, this settlement does absolutely nothing in regards to the monopolistic practices of the college sports so I expect continued litigation until an anti trust exemption.

[appst89]

If the settlement works like they all expect this could actually be a good thing for App State and all smaller schools. I say this because although there is a lot of bad (increased scholarships and direct pay from schools, etc) there is also a lot of good in that NIL will be enforced to truly be NIL. The current cap for payment is less than Ohio State paid for its football team alone last year, and it has to be spread out to all teams (not many kids will actually make big money because there are too many mouths to feed). So the players are about to make significantly less than they have been with this crazy non enforced NIL. If all NIL deals over $600 are actually reviewed to determine a true business purpose and fair value, then a great deal of the tampering will automatically end. While there is true NIL value for a small percentage of college athletes, most have just been getting paid to play and calling it NIL. Does anyone really think that Santana Hopper has 6 digit marketing value for his new school? Of course not. So if that deal is reviewed and determined not to be true NIL, then it goes away. It will be interesting to see what happens to all these players who have been promised pay for play NIL for this up coming season but don't have contracts with a real business purpose. If all those deals go away so will a great deal of the tampering. If this stops, it is a win for App and small schools. I say "If" because I have real doubts.

All that being said, this settlement does absolutely nothing in regards to the monopolistic practices of the college sports so I expect continued litigation until an anti trust exemption.

Rick Neuheisel has been on this for a while, and he says there is no way this passes muster because it limits the ability of the players to earn and the Supreme Court has already said that is illegal. He says, as you do, that the only solution is antitrust exemption from Congress and collective bargaining with the players.