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Unread post by appdaze » Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:47 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:21 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:14 pm
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Sure are a lot of grown, supposedly mature, adults on here shitting on these young men who are trying to get a pay day using the skills they have. What a bunch of sour puss panty wads. If this is how y'all want to treat these young men when they try to get one last pay day then why the F would any other young men want to come play in front of you?
“One last pay day”, isn’t the education supposed to get them a lifetime of pay days? Funny how when things get tuff and fans run for the exit they are bad fans but when things get a little bumpy and players leave they are just great young men trying to better themselves.
I guess you don't bother reading everything as I don't criticize fans for leaving. I'm criticizing those going after these young men for trying to find a pay day. I've already stated my own monetary position. I do believe fans are very spoiled at this point and are lashing out at the wrong people. It's like if the price of burgers go up then you go beat up the teenager at the cash register and tell them they are the problem and they should stop being so greedy to require burger prices to be higher. Then if those same workers leave for a better paying job you call them greedy pieces of shit and they should just piss off.
Fair enough and maybe you don’t read everything I post. At this point I actually blame the universities for getting involved in NIL and taking transfers they shouldn’t. But don’t post some heartfelt BS while you leave. And by the way, these guys already got a pay day, it’s called a free education and I chip in for that pay day.
It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.

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Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm

appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:47 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:21 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:14 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:03 pm
Sure are a lot of grown, supposedly mature, adults on here shitting on these young men who are trying to get a pay day using the skills they have. What a bunch of sour puss panty wads. If this is how y'all want to treat these young men when they try to get one last pay day then why the F would any other young men want to come play in front of you?
“One last pay day”, isn’t the education supposed to get them a lifetime of pay days? Funny how when things get tuff and fans run for the exit they are bad fans but when things get a little bumpy and players leave they are just great young men trying to better themselves.
I guess you don't bother reading everything as I don't criticize fans for leaving. I'm criticizing those going after these young men for trying to find a pay day. I've already stated my own monetary position. I do believe fans are very spoiled at this point and are lashing out at the wrong people. It's like if the price of burgers go up then you go beat up the teenager at the cash register and tell them they are the problem and they should stop being so greedy to require burger prices to be higher. Then if those same workers leave for a better paying job you call them greedy pieces of shit and they should just piss off.
Fair enough and maybe you don’t read everything I post. At this point I actually blame the universities for getting involved in NIL and taking transfers they shouldn’t. But don’t post some heartfelt BS while you leave. And by the way, these guys already got a pay day, it’s called a free education and I chip in for that pay day.
It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.
Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.

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Unread post by appdaze » Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:47 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:21 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:14 pm


“One last pay day”, isn’t the education supposed to get them a lifetime of pay days? Funny how when things get tuff and fans run for the exit they are bad fans but when things get a little bumpy and players leave they are just great young men trying to better themselves.
I guess you don't bother reading everything as I don't criticize fans for leaving. I'm criticizing those going after these young men for trying to find a pay day. I've already stated my own monetary position. I do believe fans are very spoiled at this point and are lashing out at the wrong people. It's like if the price of burgers go up then you go beat up the teenager at the cash register and tell them they are the problem and they should stop being so greedy to require burger prices to be higher. Then if those same workers leave for a better paying job you call them greedy pieces of shit and they should just piss off.
Fair enough and maybe you don’t read everything I post. At this point I actually blame the universities for getting involved in NIL and taking transfers they shouldn’t. But don’t post some heartfelt BS while you leave. And by the way, these guys already got a pay day, it’s called a free education and I chip in for that pay day.
It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.
Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.
It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.

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Unread post by goapps93 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:26 pm

appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:47 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:21 pm


I guess you don't bother reading everything as I don't criticize fans for leaving. I'm criticizing those going after these young men for trying to find a pay day. I've already stated my own monetary position. I do believe fans are very spoiled at this point and are lashing out at the wrong people. It's like if the price of burgers go up then you go beat up the teenager at the cash register and tell them they are the problem and they should stop being so greedy to require burger prices to be higher. Then if those same workers leave for a better paying job you call them greedy pieces of shit and they should just piss off.
Fair enough and maybe you don’t read everything I post. At this point I actually blame the universities for getting involved in NIL and taking transfers they shouldn’t. But don’t post some heartfelt BS while you leave. And by the way, these guys already got a pay day, it’s called a free education and I chip in for that pay day.
It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.
Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.
It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.
So what does your portfolio look like? All short-term, high-risk investments? These athletes looking for a quick, cash-in-hand pay day are going to wish they’d focused on the long-term investment. I’m not excited about being part of the system that is facilitating that. It’s irresponsible.
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Unread post by hapapp » Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:40 pm

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Are our transfers rallying get a pay day by transferring to Tulane and other G5 schools?
Hollifield most definitely is. Likely more than we paid Joey.

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Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:56 pm

appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:47 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:21 pm


I guess you don't bother reading everything as I don't criticize fans for leaving. I'm criticizing those going after these young men for trying to find a pay day. I've already stated my own monetary position. I do believe fans are very spoiled at this point and are lashing out at the wrong people. It's like if the price of burgers go up then you go beat up the teenager at the cash register and tell them they are the problem and they should stop being so greedy to require burger prices to be higher. Then if those same workers leave for a better paying job you call them greedy pieces of shit and they should just piss off.
Fair enough and maybe you don’t read everything I post. At this point I actually blame the universities for getting involved in NIL and taking transfers they shouldn’t. But don’t post some heartfelt BS while you leave. And by the way, these guys already got a pay day, it’s called a free education and I chip in for that pay day.
It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.
Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.
It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.
I understand the concept but if someone buys you something that you needed and wanted to buy yourself that’s as good as being handed cash money. Not sure for how long but right now players must be enrolled in school. So if they want to play football they can either fork over the tuition payment or accept the scholarship. If they accept the scholarship they accepted money, real money, right now money.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by appdaze » Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:04 pm

goapps93 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:26 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:47 pm


Fair enough and maybe you don’t read everything I post. At this point I actually blame the universities for getting involved in NIL and taking transfers they shouldn’t. But don’t post some heartfelt BS while you leave. And by the way, these guys already got a pay day, it’s called a free education and I chip in for that pay day.
It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.
Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.
It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.
So what does your portfolio look like? All short-term, high-risk investments? These athletes looking for a quick, cash-in-hand pay day are going to wish they’d focused on the long-term investment. I’m not excited about being part of the system that is facilitating that. It’s irresponsible.
I agree with you. It is irresponsible. That's why in my previous post I compared it to the nba draft when they let in high schoolers. For every KG and LeBron there were tons who either got drafted and failed quickly or disnt get drafted at all and lost ncaa eligibility and almost all chances of doing anything else basketball wise. I know some of yall keep trying to throw jabs at me on this but I'm probably more in line with your views than you might think. I'm just tired of fans getting on here and trashing these guys for going in the portal. They are using the system as it is presented to them for better or worse. No blame at all is on the players for a system that should have changed decades ago when college football ceased to be the amateur sport that it was and became a multi billion dollar industry churning out tons of money for everyone except the players. Finally the players are given a system where they can try to get a piece of thay pie and transfer schools to find it and now they are the enemy. It reminds me of a YouTube video explaining how the rich make the middle class and poor hate each other with an oreo cookie demonstration. The rich blamed the poor(players) for the middle class(fans) not having as many cookies all the while taking more cookies from the others.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by appdaze » Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:11 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:56 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:47 pm


Fair enough and maybe you don’t read everything I post. At this point I actually blame the universities for getting involved in NIL and taking transfers they shouldn’t. But don’t post some heartfelt BS while you leave. And by the way, these guys already got a pay day, it’s called a free education and I chip in for that pay day.
It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.
Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.
It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.
I understand the concept but if someone buys you something that you needed and wanted to buy yourself that’s as good as being handed cash money. Not sure for how long but right now players must be enrolled in school. So if they want to play football they can either fork over the tuition payment or accept the scholarship. If they accept the scholarship they accepted money, real money, right now money.
Well one thing is that a college education is not groceries. It is not a need. You have to keep the end goal in mind when it comes to expenditures. College is a capital investment in ones potential future. It might make you rich or you might be paying off loans the rest of your life. It's an investment, not a gallon of milk.

Another side of this is that they are not getting college for free. The college is making a transaction for what they consider the players are worth as tools of entertainment to gain the university more money. The players are giving up their long term health to entertain us. So it's not a free education. It's an investment by the university in the hopes it will bring in more money.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:16 pm

appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:11 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:56 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm


It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.
Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.
It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.
I understand the concept but if someone buys you something that you needed and wanted to buy yourself that’s as good as being handed cash money. Not sure for how long but right now players must be enrolled in school. So if they want to play football they can either fork over the tuition payment or accept the scholarship. If they accept the scholarship they accepted money, real money, right now money.
Well one thing is that a college education is not groceries. It is not a need. You have to keep the end goal in mind when it comes to expenditures. College is a capital investment in ones potential future. It might make you rich or you might be paying off loans the rest of your life. It's an investment, not a gallon of milk.

Another side of this is that they are not getting college for free. The college is making a transaction for what they consider the players are worth as tools of entertainment to gain the university more money. The players are giving up their long term health to entertain us. So it's not a free education. It's an investment by the university in the hopes it will bring in more money.
So I guess a gallon of milk could be considered an investment in my future health. Agree to disagree.

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Unread post by goapps93 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:55 pm

appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:11 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:56 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm


It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.
Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.
It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.
I understand the concept but if someone buys you something that you needed and wanted to buy yourself that’s as good as being handed cash money. Not sure for how long but right now players must be enrolled in school. So if they want to play football they can either fork over the tuition payment or accept the scholarship. If they accept the scholarship they accepted money, real money, right now money.
Well one thing is that a college education is not groceries. It is not a need. You have to keep the end goal in mind when it comes to expenditures. College is a capital investment in ones potential future. It might make you rich or you might be paying off loans the rest of your life. It's an investment, not a gallon of milk.

Another side of this is that they are not getting college for free. The college is making a transaction for what they consider the players are worth as tools of entertainment to gain the university more money. The players are giving up their long term health to entertain us. So it's not a free education. It's an investment by the university in the hopes it will bring in more money.
How in the world is there DIII football? Those athletes are giving up their long term health and don’t even get the benefit of a free education. At least no benefit that any other student doesn’t receive. Those colleges and universities must be making enough to keep the programs going. So it’s not really NIL or the portal. It’s the gross over commercialization. So the real culprit is ESPN, et al.
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Unread post by Stonewall » Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:41 pm

Here or there , they are being given what is likely the best years of their life and a life changing opportunity for an education . Today that apparently is not enough. As someone who came from the blue collar world and worked their way through college it looked pretty good back then and much better now.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by AppDawg » Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:53 pm

appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:11 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:56 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:57 pm


It's all about the money. Universities are going to take the transfers you think they shouldn't because it's believed they will help them make more money. Most any business out there would do the same, even government run businesses. Free education is not money in hand, it's Potential future earnings. It's a risk. The NIL money is cash in hand that smart players can invest and short sighted ones burn though. They are not at all equivalent. A free education is a free self investment, not cash income.
Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.
It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.
I understand the concept but if someone buys you something that you needed and wanted to buy yourself that’s as good as being handed cash money. Not sure for how long but right now players must be enrolled in school. So if they want to play football they can either fork over the tuition payment or accept the scholarship. If they accept the scholarship they accepted money, real money, right now money.
Well one thing is that a college education is not groceries. It is not a need. You have to keep the end goal in mind when it comes to expenditures. College is a capital investment in ones potential future. It might make you rich or you might be paying off loans the rest of your life. It's an investment, not a gallon of milk.

Another side of this is that they are not getting college for free. The college is making a transaction for what they consider the players are worth as tools of entertainment to gain the university more money. The players are giving up their long term health to entertain us. So it's not a free education. It's an investment by the university in the hopes it will bring in more money.
College is a capital investment in ones potential future.

My issue, and I think of others too, is rooted in your statement here. I am happy to donate to a scholarship fund to help someone who is either academically worthy and/or may not have means otherwise to attend our great University. I want to invest in future graduates from Appalachian State. I think the world is a better place the more Alumni that come out of Boone.

Right now, however, there seems to be more and more in athletics that are 1 or 2 and done before moving on elsewhere. The focus is on what have you done for “me” lately, not the long-term gain/benefit being provided.

This is especially true in the revenue sports that continually drive the ask for more and more $ from the seemingly same population of donors…. Yet the investment made is throw out the window (see ‘23/‘24 basketball roster — we should be DOMINATING right now, doh!)

For these reasons it is getting much more difficult to make the argument continual giving is a benefit/ investment in future Appalachian Alumni.

I really cannot wait until the NCAA finally releases graduation rates of portal athletes across all sports. I bet it’s ugly.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by Bootsy » Fri Dec 27, 2024 10:10 pm

AppDawg wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:53 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:11 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:56 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:06 pm


Tell the young person who’s paying off a student loan that a free education isn’t cash money.
It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.
I understand the concept but if someone buys you something that you needed and wanted to buy yourself that’s as good as being handed cash money. Not sure for how long but right now players must be enrolled in school. So if they want to play football they can either fork over the tuition payment or accept the scholarship. If they accept the scholarship they accepted money, real money, right now money.
Well one thing is that a college education is not groceries. It is not a need. You have to keep the end goal in mind when it comes to expenditures. College is a capital investment in ones potential future. It might make you rich or you might be paying off loans the rest of your life. It's an investment, not a gallon of milk.

Another side of this is that they are not getting college for free. The college is making a transaction for what they consider the players are worth as tools of entertainment to gain the university more money. The players are giving up their long term health to entertain us. So it's not a free education. It's an investment by the university in the hopes it will bring in more money.
College is a capital investment in ones potential future.

My issue, and I think of others too, is rooted in your statement here. I am happy to donate to a scholarship fund to help someone who is either academically worthy and/or may not have means otherwise to attend our great University. I want to invest in future graduates from Appalachian State. I think the world is a better place the more Alumni that come out of Boone.

Right now, however, there seems to be more and more in athletics that are 1 or 2 and done before moving on elsewhere. The focus is on what have you done for “me” lately, not the long-term gain/benefit being provided.

This is especially true in the revenue sports that continually drive the ask for more and more $ from the seemingly same population of donors…. Yet the investment made is throw out the window (see ‘23/‘24 basketball roster — we should be DOMINATING right now, doh!)

For these reasons it is getting much more difficult to make the argument continual giving is a benefit/ investment in future Appalachian Alumni.

I really cannot wait until the NCAA finally releases graduation rates of portal athletes across all sports. I bet it’s ugly.
Would anyone here be shocked if the graduation rates are abysmal? I don’t want to see any of these young men fail academically. But what will it take for all parties to recognize that TP/NIL is unsustainable in its current form and agree to mutually beneficial changes?

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Unread post by AppDawg » Fri Dec 27, 2024 10:17 pm

Bootsy wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 10:10 pm
AppDawg wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:53 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:11 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:56 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:13 pm


It isn't cash money, it's an investment on potential earnings. You made the investment in yourself by getting a loan to further your education in the hopes of greater earnings.
I understand the concept but if someone buys you something that you needed and wanted to buy yourself that’s as good as being handed cash money. Not sure for how long but right now players must be enrolled in school. So if they want to play football they can either fork over the tuition payment or accept the scholarship. If they accept the scholarship they accepted money, real money, right now money.
Well one thing is that a college education is not groceries. It is not a need. You have to keep the end goal in mind when it comes to expenditures. College is a capital investment in ones potential future. It might make you rich or you might be paying off loans the rest of your life. It's an investment, not a gallon of milk.

Another side of this is that they are not getting college for free. The college is making a transaction for what they consider the players are worth as tools of entertainment to gain the university more money. The players are giving up their long term health to entertain us. So it's not a free education. It's an investment by the university in the hopes it will bring in more money.
College is a capital investment in ones potential future.

My issue, and I think of others too, is rooted in your statement here. I am happy to donate to a scholarship fund to help someone who is either academically worthy and/or may not have means otherwise to attend our great University. I want to invest in future graduates from Appalachian State. I think the world is a better place the more Alumni that come out of Boone.

Right now, however, there seems to be more and more in athletics that are 1 or 2 and done before moving on elsewhere. The focus is on what have you done for “me” lately, not the long-term gain/benefit being provided.

This is especially true in the revenue sports that continually drive the ask for more and more $ from the seemingly same population of donors…. Yet the investment made is throw out the window (see ‘23/‘24 basketball roster — we should be DOMINATING right now, doh!)

For these reasons it is getting much more difficult to make the argument continual giving is a benefit/ investment in future Appalachian Alumni.

I really cannot wait until the NCAA finally releases graduation rates of portal athletes across all sports. I bet it’s ugly.
Would anyone here be shocked if the graduation rates are abysmal? I don’t want to see any of these young men fail academically. But what will it take for all parties to recognize that TP/NIL is unsustainable in its current form and agree to mutually beneficial changes?
What I fear is that there is a black hole no one, not even the NCAA is tracking.

I have read transfers do not negatively impact a school’s APR, so long as the transferring player was in good academic standing at time of transfer.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by appdaze » Fri Dec 27, 2024 10:34 pm

Stonewall wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:41 pm
Here or there , they are being given what is likely the best years of their life and a life changing opportunity for an education . Today that apparently is not enough. As someone who came from the blue collar world and worked their way through college it looked pretty good back then and much better now.
To many it's not enough. So much of this could have been avoided decades ago if the money movers has been willing to distribute a portion of the billions made of CFB to the players in some way. Scholly+a share of say 10% of overall tv contracts or something. So hypothetically a schally+30k. Something that would go up with each passing tv contract for ncaa/conferences. Do that and I don't think the 2012/2013 lawsuit happens.

Another angle less spoken of is the perception of college education. It's been cheapened tremendously by online diploma mills with low entry standards and low academic standards but they keep churning out degrees.
Some quickly googled stats: 39% of 18-24 year olds are enrolled in undergrad or grad. The percentage of adults with college degrees, certificates, or industry-recognized certifications increased from 38.1% in 2009 to 54.3% in 2021. In 2008, Lumina issued a highly publicized challenge termed the “Big Goal” that called for 60% of working-age adults to have earned a college degree or other high-quality postsecondary credential by 2025. Since then, 49 states have set similar postsecondary attainment goals (New York being the one exception), often linked to economic development objectives.

Anyone can search more if they are interested, but the point remains that it's become quite easy to obtain some level of college. It's no promise of a job anymore. In too many cases instead of lifting people to the challenge these states/universities have lowered the bar for the sake of money and checking boxes. That's not to demean all online programs. Y'all know the kind of stuff I'm referring to.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by bcoach » Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:18 pm

appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:54 pm
bcoach wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:48 pm
appdaze wrote:
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Sure are a lot of grown, supposedly mature, adults on here shitting on these young men who are trying to get a pay day using the skills they have. What a bunch of sour puss panty wads. If this is how y'all want to treat these young men when they try to get one last pay day then why the F would any other young men want to come play in front of you?
Then don't ask me to pay you while you are here. Just go. Don't need any phoney notes.
Then don't expect people to put their bodies on the line for your entertainment. Just fold the team now.
That line is so overdone it is pathetic. You fail to mention they "put thier bodies on the line" for their own enjoyment also. They don't play in highschool and then say " oh shit I am going to be forced to play this damn game in college. On top of that they are going to force a scholarship on me. So save the drama.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by Yosef10 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:31 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:14 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:03 pm
Sure are a lot of grown, supposedly mature, adults on here shitting on these young men who are trying to get a pay day using the skills they have. What a bunch of sour puss panty wads. If this is how y'all want to treat these young men when they try to get one last pay day then why the F would any other young men want to come play in front of you?
“One last pay day”, isn’t the education supposed to get them a lifetime of pay days? Funny how when things get tuff and fans run for the exit they are bad fans but when things get a little bumpy and players leave they are just great young men trying to better themselves.
You can’t see that college football is clearly big business? I can’t recommend the book The System by Jeff Benedict and Armen Keteyian enough.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Sat Dec 28, 2024 8:09 am

Yosef10 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:31 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:14 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:03 pm
Sure are a lot of grown, supposedly mature, adults on here shitting on these young men who are trying to get a pay day using the skills they have. What a bunch of sour puss panty wads. If this is how y'all want to treat these young men when they try to get one last pay day then why the F would any other young men want to come play in front of you?
“One last pay day”, isn’t the education supposed to get them a lifetime of pay days? Funny how when things get tuff and fans run for the exit they are bad fans but when things get a little bumpy and players leave they are just great young men trying to better themselves.
You can’t see that college football is clearly big business? I can’t recommend the book The System by Jeff Benedict and Armen Keteyian enough.
Sure I can. I just want the people who own the business to take control so I don’t hate something I once loved. And no I don’t want the players screwed over, just some balance. In business no one would make half of the end product and simply had it to a competitor for free. The big boys want the G5 to test run and develop high school players. The G5 shouldn’t make half the product and hand it to the P4 for free.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by bcoach » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:52 am

Yosef10 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:31 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:14 pm
appdaze wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:03 pm
Sure are a lot of grown, supposedly mature, adults on here shitting on these young men who are trying to get a pay day using the skills they have. What a bunch of sour puss panty wads. If this is how y'all want to treat these young men when they try to get one last pay day then why the F would any other young men want to come play in front of you?
“One last pay day”, isn’t the education supposed to get them a lifetime of pay days? Funny how when things get tuff and fans run for the exit they are bad fans but when things get a little bumpy and players leave they are just great young men trying to better themselves.
You can’t see that college football is clearly big business? I can’t recommend the book The System by Jeff Benedict and Armen Keteyian enough.
P4 is big business. G5 is a small business and there is a huge difference. Many to most small businesses are just getting by and can't afford the luxuries that big business can. Folks keep throwing around statements about " college football" like it is all the same and it is not. This "universities making billions" off the backs of the players is nonsense when it comes to G5. If it were true, then there would be no need for collectives. You just use the "profits" the department makes and call it a day because, hell there are billions to split up. If you need a go fund me to run your business you actually don't have a business at all.
So, no G5 is not big business. G5 is a struggling small business at best.

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Re: App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

Unread post by Mikeyosef1 » Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:10 am

I keep coming on here to see if any new players are transferring out only to read post after post grousing about the Portal and NIL. So, I'll throw in my two cents. Most of these kids are either looking for more playing time or more dollars. I have never held it against a kid for leaving a program he or she is unhappy with for something of a better fit. That is what is best for the kid. However, I don't think the way the system is working right now is in best interest of the kid. Remember, these are kids. We all hope our kids will focus on the long term and not jump at the first flashy thing. Unfortunately, focus on investing in the long-term is not the trend today with kids or, increasingly, adults. Flashy is in and is ruining much more than college sports.

As for college football, I did a quick look at the number of players who make it to the NFL and it's 1.6 percent across division 1 ball. That makes for better odds than buying a lottery ticket but it's not a very good life gamble, if it means you never graduate. Aside from the obvious impact on App State football, my concern is for the athletes, the kids. Another quick look at the numbers show, currently, 84 percent of FBS football players earn a degree. Those are pretty good odds and can provide a generational change in the life of the player and his family. To be sure, a high draft pick can provide the same, but no savvy gambler would take those odds. I worry, the graduation rate is going to plummet as players follow the next shinny lure cast into the portal pool. In fact, based on the ever increasing numbers of players in the portal, it's inevitable graduation rates will drop. Transferring in and out, year in and year out will make graduation very difficult for most. Further, what's happened to college sports (NIL and portal) really has nothing to do with what's best for the players but, rather, with how much money middlemen can make at the expense of the athlete without any real care for the life today and tomorrow of the athlete.

To be sure, players should be able to transfer and they should be able to make some money. It was never fair for athletes to not legally get some money for playing, especially when the college scholarships didn't cover the full cost of attendance. Being a division 1 college athlete is a job and mostly precludes the athlete from working part-time during the school year. Many of these kids come from lower income backgrounds where the parents don't have much expendable income to give their kids for clothing, shoes, activities, etc. However, the way the portal and NIL are trending will make college athletics unsustainable. Killing the golden goose; and by golden goose, I mean the chance to earn a college degree at no cost. The money is too big already and the odds a culture like ours will make adjustments in favor of the athletes over big money is pretty close to nil.

I hope I'm wrong; I don't see this working out well for App State football, but more importantly, I don't see it working out well for the vast majority of college athletes.

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