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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by 311neers » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:34 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
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WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:30 pm
Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.
He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
5 seems like a lot. Is that normal for a search? Feel like we should have had it narrowed down to who we wanted since this has been brewing for a couple weeks/months (years if you ask some).

Haven’t seen anyone talk about Mercers coach in a while.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by ASUTodd » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:40 pm

311neers wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:34 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:06 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:30 pm
Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.
He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
5 seems like a lot. Is that normal for a search? Feel like we should have had it narrowed down to who we wanted since this has been brewing for a couple weeks/months (years if you ask some).

Haven’t seen anyone talk about Mercers coach in a while.
I am!!!! Shaedon Meadors is his tight end coach down at Mercer.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

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Unread post by Yosefus » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:49 pm

Good friend who is a Tennessee alumni said their DC is a jam up coach and up and comer. I didn't catch his name and no nothing of the guy. Anyone familiar with him?

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:53 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:06 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:30 pm
Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.
He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
Other than Brown and Woods, were the other 3 DJ Smith, Bell and Lamb?

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by WASU 93 » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:59 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:06 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:30 pm
Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.
He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
Woods runs an exciting offense.
DJ Smith brought an excitement to the sideline and the players when he was here.
Bryan Brown has a history of strong defenses
Wilks (if he is interested) could bring an interesting set of intangibles/key contacts into play

IMO, Brown's work, like Satterfield's. was in a different era of the Sun Belt and a different era of CFB. Trading a "lazy hire" as some have labeled Clark (I think we needed the stability at the time) for a safe hire, who hasn't done anything to set the world on fire in 5 years isn't exciting.
I'd rather see a Kerns type hire, if we go with an existing head coach. But, it needs to be someone who won multiple conference championships and played an exciting brand of football.(still think we need a GM for the NIL/Portal and that may be the position that is a revolving door) The Rock needs to be rocking at every home game and we should never have another South Alabama, "drain the life out of the stadium experience" at home again. It can be defensive-minded and special-teams minded or offensive minded, but it needs to feed off our crowd.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by 311neers » Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:05 pm

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Any potential for Buster Faulkner, OC at Georgia Tech? Has been involved with a lot of successful offenses around the Southeast at very different levels of CFB and still only 43. Not sure how antsy he would be to get a HC job if a bigger school like UGA would pay more to have him on staff as OC.
Make Faulkner or Hartley say no. Not sure if these are realistic but worth a shot.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by appdaze » Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:33 pm

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The more I read the WVU boards the less I would want Brown at all.

Stating thay he couldn't put together a solid staff, would only hire his own cronies, wouldn't change strategies to make things work, couldn't recruit, the list goes on and on.

I guess we will just see. If DG hires him I will always put my support to App State and I hope he is able to change his ways and build a program. If not, we will be in for another 5 years of mediocrity.
I would challenge you to go to any message board of a team that just fired their coach and find fans who are saying lots of good things about him.

Of course, you could say "that's why we shouldn't hire a coach who got fired," as some have. I just don't find that to be that big a deal. If he'd just gotten fired for going .500 at Troy, I'd feel differently.
I agree. Has anyone see the App State football "Today I Give My All Group" and others? You would think Clark is horrible.
And how much of the stuff said about Clark the last few weeks was wrong? We've listed out many legitimate and statistical reasons for his departure just like the WVU fan I just posted about.

I'll echo a previous poster.

What excites you about this guy that makes you think he's going to be the man. His Troy days are long gone. Precovid, pre NIL, pre anything to do with current college athletics. He couldn't get it done at a state flagship college with 10 times the resources he will have here at App. So what is the excitement about?

As I said before I will back App and support them as a fan regardless but he doesn't really jump out as a super hire. If he is hired I truly hope I'm eating crow out of a conference chip trophy. But we will see.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:38 pm

Whoever is hired the resume they are measured on will start September 2025 (unless they embarrass the university off the field).

Look forward to continuing supporting the program financially and in the stands.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by ASUPATCH » Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:17 pm

ASUTodd wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:40 pm
311neers wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:34 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:06 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm


He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
5 seems like a lot. Is that normal for a search? Feel like we should have had it narrowed down to who we wanted since this has been brewing for a couple weeks/months (years if you ask some).

Haven’t seen anyone talk about Mercers coach in a while.
I am!!!! Shaedon Meadors is his tight end coach down at Mercer.
Id be down with Mike Jacobs. Dude has won everywhere.
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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by AppSt94 » Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:30 pm

311neers wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:34 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:06 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:30 pm
Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.
He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
5 seems like a lot. Is that normal for a search? Feel like we should have had it narrowed down to who we wanted since this has been brewing for a couple weeks/months (years if you ask some).

Haven’t seen anyone talk about Mercers coach in a while.
It’s not that many. You have to have some options. I’m sure that an AD has a list based on history or the agency has recommendations. It’s probably down to a couple, and there is probably a pecking order. If you recall, Drink wasn’t on the initial list.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by Tru2ASU » Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:36 pm

Yosefus wrote:
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Good friend who is a Tennessee alumni said their DC is a jam up coach and up and comer. I didn't catch his name and no nothing of the guy. Anyone familiar with him?
Tim Banks. I love him and have mentioned him before. He's not come up anywhere in this coaching cycle.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by t4pizza » Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:49 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:06 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:30 pm
Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.
He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
I think Casey Woods would generate excitement, he calls an innovative and exciting offense. I am surprised at 5 names, any idea who they are?

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by AppSt94 » Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:54 pm

t4pizza wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:49 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:06 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:30 pm
Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.
He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
I think Casey Woods would generate excitement, he calls an innovative and exciting offense. I am surprised at 5 names, any idea who they are?
I’m not opposed to Woods. I have pause about his ability to deal with NIL. SMU doesn’t really have a budget so how does he adjust to having limits.

Not sure that it’s common knowledge so can’t divulge the list.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by AppinVA » Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:05 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:54 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:49 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:06 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm


He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
I think Casey Woods would generate excitement, he calls an innovative and exciting offense. I am surprised at 5 names, any idea who they are?
I’m not opposed to Woods. I have pause about his ability to deal with NIL. SMU doesn’t really have a budget so how does he adjust to having limits.

Not sure that it’s common knowledge so can’t divulge the list.
Maybe he can bring some of that Texas oil money our way???
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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

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t4pizza wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:49 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:06 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:53 pm
WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:30 pm
Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.
He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.
That's a fair response. But, that still doesn't answer the question. What excites you (whoever cares to answer) about Neal Brown?

If we are a premier G5 program (we are), shouldn't excitement be a part of the hire? Sounds like we are filling a role for a CPA at this point.
Of the five folks that we intially spoke with, none of them, including Brown were guys that generated excitement. I feel better about Brown than the other four. There were red flags for all of them but Brown is the safest guy for me. He is the “been there, done that, got the t-shirt” guy which creates the best chance for stability.

Who would be the names that you feel would generate excitement?
I think Casey Woods would generate excitement, he calls an innovative and exciting offense. I am surprised at 5 names, any idea who they are?
Yeah, I want to know the 5 names too

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by Saint3333 » Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:25 pm

A reliable poster already stated those.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by ASUTodd » Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:29 pm

I hope to goodness we don't hire someone simply because they are a ""stable" hire.... What kinda crap is that? Either go after the go-getter or just hire Clark back. I can't suffer through mediocre and average anymore.

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Unread post by BambooRdApp » Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:36 pm

That's what she said😂😂😂
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That's what she said😂😂😂
Well played..... Well played.

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