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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by appstatealum » Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:01 am

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Ponce or Tre Lamb. I think those are the only two options that you need to choose from. I think given the opportunity, Ponce would make some offensive changes to adapt to the changes in football. I do wonder if he hasn’t been handcuffed to the offense as it has existed for years.
Absolutely NO to Ponce. I’m shocked more people haven’t noticed how egregiously bad our play calling has been to date. Yes I know the running game hasn’t gotten going and it’s not entirely on him but we quite literally are incapable of scoring with maybe our most talented offense on paper in years.
His play calling has always lacked fluidity, outside of a few games, in his stints here. When he had Sutton/Henni, he couldn't ever stretch the field and maximize those studs. Ponce bakes a gameplan and if the script goes well, it looks fine, but when teams adjust its like he has no answers. Ponce would be a hard 'no' from me.
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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:12 am

Sutton or Henni were not stretch the field type of receivers. Both had sub 40 times. Both were more possession receivers. Both were two of my favorite receivers of all time with great hands However, that was not their strength. The number of catches they made with DBs in them were impressive though. Just my opinion.
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Unread post by mike87 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:17 am

We could bring Mack back. I heard he quit on Saturday afternoon.

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Unread post by BambooRdApp » Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:33 am

mike87 wrote:
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We could bring Mack back. I heard he quit on Saturday afternoon.
Definitely mack playing to the audience in the locker room to see if the team would respond.
He does play to the psychology aspect of relationships that is for sure. 🤣🤣
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Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:15 am

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Lance Ware shoulda been the guy to replace Drinkwitz and I would imagine this program is a bit more steady - But we have an AD that has poor feel for hires and couldn't get past his HS only experience.

Lance is a leader, knows both sides of the ball, and is the key to signing regional recruits.
Would have been the second coming of biff poggi.
Disagree -- Biff won at a private schools where you can recruit -- Lance won at public school where you make the meal from the groceries you already have. Biff is a clown, Lance has a lot of substance.

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Unread post by app97 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:05 am

A div 1 head coach whose only experience was coaching a high school program that already had years of success before he arrived? I don’t doubt his abilities or knowledge, but how often does that scenario happen? Seems more likely at the D2 or maybe FCS level.

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Unread post by Stonewall » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:14 am

I like Lance. He won’t be on the list.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by mike87 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 12:32 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:33 am
mike87 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:17 am
We could bring Mack back. I heard he quit on Saturday afternoon.
Definitely mack playing to the audience in the locker room to see if the team would respond.
He does play to the psychology aspect of relationships that is for sure. 🤣🤣
I'm sure you picked up the sarcasm but just want to be crystal clear, this was loaded with sarcasm. No way, no how.

I'm not in the new coach camp. It's a new world with the portal and what we are seeing isn't unique to us. The mixing of cultures is problematic. Example, we bring in a bunch of NC State players. You think that's good, but those guys are perennial underachievers. So, what do we become, an underachiever. I like our coach and I like that he knows the way App is expected to perform.

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Unread post by BallantyneApp » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:51 pm

is it realistic to think we might get Saban to come out of retirement to prove he really is the GOAT by bringing us to the promise land?

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by ASUTodd » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:52 pm

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is it realistic to think we might get Saban to come out of retirement to prove he really is the GOAT by bringing us to the promise land?
I know you say this in jest.... but I would not be against it.

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Unread post by ASUFan4863 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:26 pm

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is it realistic to think we might get Saban to come out of retirement to prove he really is the GOAT by bringing us to the promise land?
I think its only right for him to prove he is better than Kirby. Then once Saban re-retires, Kirby will have to prove he is better than Saban by coming to the mountain. This is a solid plan and Idk why Doug hasn't done it yet.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:56 pm

mike87 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 12:32 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:33 am
mike87 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:17 am
We could bring Mack back. I heard he quit on Saturday afternoon.
Definitely mack playing to the audience in the locker room to see if the team would respond.
He does play to the psychology aspect of relationships that is for sure. 🤣🤣
I'm sure you picked up the sarcasm but just want to be crystal clear, this was loaded with sarcasm. No way, no how.

I'm not in the new coach camp. It's a new world with the portal and what we are seeing isn't unique to us. The mixing of cultures is problematic. Example, we bring in a bunch of NC State players. You think that's good, but those guys are perennial underachievers. So, what do we become, an underachiever. I like our coach and I like that he knows the way App is expected to perform.
Agreed. Hope SC runs the table..yes...got the sarcasm.
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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:58 pm

appstatealum wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:01 am
J_Mountaineers wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:49 am
ericsaid wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:34 am
Ponce or Tre Lamb. I think those are the only two options that you need to choose from. I think given the opportunity, Ponce would make some offensive changes to adapt to the changes in football. I do wonder if he hasn’t been handcuffed to the offense as it has existed for years.
Absolutely NO to Ponce. I’m shocked more people haven’t noticed how egregiously bad our play calling has been to date. Yes I know the running game hasn’t gotten going and it’s not entirely on him but we quite literally are incapable of scoring with maybe our most talented offense on paper in years.
His play calling has always lacked fluidity, outside of a few games, in his stints here. When he had Sutton/Henni, he couldn't ever stretch the field and maximize those studs. Ponce bakes a gameplan and if the script goes well, it looks fine, but when teams adjust its like he has no answers. Ponce would be a hard 'no' from me.
Agreed. that is why a lot of his calls don't make sense. He does not seem to adjust quickly on the fly.

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Unread post by rogermcgowan » Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:32 am

Is Scott Satterfield a crazy idea?

The guy isn't panning out* so well at Cincinnati and he got out of UL before being full exposed. He isn't really a major conference guy, but was a great fit here. He knows the culture and could pick right back up where he left off. Kansas State did it with Snyder, so why not us? Who says you can't go home? Heck, App State did it with EC Duggins in the 40s and 50s.

Biggest obstacle is the pay. He currently makes $4ish million a year at UC. Clark is at $450,000ish a year at App. I just don't see him taking that kind of pay cut and I don't see App getting anywhere near that. All of that said, (IMHO) App needs to be ready to shell out $2 million+ if they want anyone decent. This is FBS and it's time we acted like it.

*Satterfield has 8 wins in two seasons at Cin.....worst two year stretch this century for that team. He might just be available if we really want to consider this move.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by AppDub » Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:25 pm

rogermcgowan wrote:
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Is Scott Satterfield a crazy idea?

The guy isn't panning out* so well at Cincinnati and he got out of UL before being full exposed. He isn't really a major conference guy, but was a great fit here. He knows the culture and could pick right back up where he left off. Kansas State did it with Snyder, so why not us? Who says you can't go home? Heck, App State did it with EC Duggins in the 40s and 50s.

Biggest obstacle is the pay. He currently makes $4ish million a year at UC. Clark is at $450,000ish a year at App. I just don't see him taking that kind of pay cut and I don't see App getting anywhere near that. All of that said, (IMHO) App needs to be ready to shell out $2 million+ if they want anyone decent. This is FBS and it's time we acted like it.

*Satterfield has 8 wins in two seasons at Cin.....worst two year stretch this century for that team. He might just be available if we really want to consider this move.
Not crazy, just not logical.

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by appgrad95&97 » Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:31 pm

rogermcgowan wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:32 am
Is Scott Satterfield a crazy idea?

The guy isn't panning out* so well at Cincinnati and he got out of UL before being full exposed. He isn't really a major conference guy, but was a great fit here. He knows the culture and could pick right back up where he left off. Kansas State did it with Snyder, so why not us? Who says you can't go home? Heck, App State did it with EC Duggins in the 40s and 50s.

Biggest obstacle is the pay. He currently makes $4ish million a year at UC. Clark is at $450,000ish a year at App. I just don't see him taking that kind of pay cut and I don't see App getting anywhere near that. All of that said, (IMHO) App needs to be ready to shell out $2 million+ if they want anyone decent. This is FBS and it's time we acted like it.

*Satterfield has 8 wins in two seasons at Cin.....worst two year stretch this century for that team. He might just be available if we really want to consider this move.
You're not going to like hearing this, if Satterfield gets let got at Cincinnati, UNCC makes more sense than back to App.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:32 pm

Why?

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Unread post by AppDub » Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:43 pm

appgrad95&97 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:31 pm
rogermcgowan wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:32 am
Is Scott Satterfield a crazy idea?

The guy isn't panning out* so well at Cincinnati and he got out of UL before being full exposed. He isn't really a major conference guy, but was a great fit here. He knows the culture and could pick right back up where he left off. Kansas State did it with Snyder, so why not us? Who says you can't go home? Heck, App State did it with EC Duggins in the 40s and 50s.

Biggest obstacle is the pay. He currently makes $4ish million a year at UC. Clark is at $450,000ish a year at App. I just don't see him taking that kind of pay cut and I don't see App getting anywhere near that. All of that said, (IMHO) App needs to be ready to shell out $2 million+ if they want anyone decent. This is FBS and it's time we acted like it.

*Satterfield has 8 wins in two seasons at Cin.....worst two year stretch this century for that team. He might just be available if we really want to consider this move.
You're not going to like hearing this, if Satterfield gets let got at Cincinnati, UNCC makes more sense than back to App.
I would agree. The main reason is purely money. It would be a demotion in pay, but no where near the drop that it would take for him to come to App.

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Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:45 pm

Hearing Huff to Temple or Charlotte

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Re: Realistic coaching options for 2025...

Unread post by EastHallApp » Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:49 pm

rogermcgowan wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:32 am
Is Scott Satterfield a crazy idea?

The guy isn't panning out* so well at Cincinnati and he got out of UL before being full exposed. He isn't really a major conference guy, but was a great fit here. He knows the culture and could pick right back up where he left off. Kansas State did it with Snyder, so why not us? Who says you can't go home? Heck, App State did it with EC Duggins in the 40s and 50s.

Biggest obstacle is the pay. He currently makes $4ish million a year at UC. Clark is at $450,000ish a year at App. I just don't see him taking that kind of pay cut and I don't see App getting anywhere near that. All of that said, (IMHO) App needs to be ready to shell out $2 million+ if they want anyone decent. This is FBS and it's time we acted like it.

*Satterfield has 8 wins in two seasons at Cin.....worst two year stretch this century for that team. He might just be available if we really want to consider this move.
You will get a surprising amount of disagreement on Satt in general. I would be all for bringing him back if the timing makes sense, but I don't believe it does now.

His buyout at Cincy is huge. We couldn't afford to pay it, and it wouldn't make sense for him to leave voluntarily at this point. If they fired him? Sure, could make a lot of sense for both sides then. But I would be surprised if they cut him loose already.

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