App @ GS -2.5

[Yosefus]

Think about this. We got beat tonight by what by all accounts was not a very good team. They finished their regular season 8-4. We finished 5-6. If they were not a good team what does that say about our program???

[KentHogan]

Radio crew saying we have the right coaching and the right players. He's back next year 99% IMHO. They are blaming fans fans for rejecting it because of only losing season in years and years.
Ringing pretty hollow and sounds like the admin has made up its mind.
Sounds like the admin is going back to the philosophy they had when I first got to Boone....Athletics is a compliment to a well rounded education.

The optimist in me is thinking they were being PC and putting lipstick on a pig.

They were definitely being PC. Think about it…who signs their paychecks?

Yeah, our own radio crew isn’t going to go negative, not going to happen.

Honestly, Clark hasn’t been ask one hard question during his press conferences in 5 years.

In case you haven’t noticed, there are plenty of people around the program who seem happy with Clark no matter what.

[BambooRdApp]

Were there some poor coaching decisions. Yes

Am I renewing my NEZ seats now matter who the coach is ..hell yes.

Some of you sound like celebrities threatening to leave the country if XYZ candidate wins an election.makes me laugh out loud...I guess we can term it .."see ya Ellen's" ..as she is the only one I have heard is actually leaving the country..

I respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree with it. 1) you don’t have to donate to a presidential election to partake in the results. Yosef club members do. 2) most supporters don’t make NEZ money. I’m glad you do, but considering you do, it hurts others a lot more to donate than it does you due to income vs. outgo. 3) most people donate with their heart….if nothing changes, the heart Is gone.

After you donate your vote and lose, you have the cost of moving to whatever country probably more expensive than one year donation for season tickets. Then you have to deal with becoming a citizen in New country. That will take much more time and effort.

Everyone donates with their heart or passion for app. St. Football. I do not think it is fair to paint a broad brush that all in next are silver spoon. It can be a decision on what don't does with discretionary income. They may spend less elsewhere.. my heart is not just as fickle where a few football seasons have have me "relocation to another country". So, yes it makes me chuckle..it is what it is..

[RaleighApp27609]

Were there some poor coaching decisions. Yes

Am I renewing my NEZ seats now matter who the coach is ..hell yes.

Some of you sound like celebrities threatening to leave the country if XYZ candidate wins an election.makes me laugh out loud...I guess we can term it .."see ya Ellen's" ..as she is the only one I have heard is actually leaving the country..

I respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree with it. 1) you don’t have to donate to a presidential election to partake in the results. Yosef club members do. 2) most supporters don’t make NEZ money. I’m glad you do, but considering you do, it hurts others a lot more to donate than it does you due to income vs. outgo. 3) most people donate with their heart….if nothing changes, the heart Is gone.

After you donate your vote and lose, you have the cost of moving to whatever country probably more expensive than one year donation for season tickets. Then you have to deal with becoming a citizen in New country. That will take much more time and effort.

Everyone donates with their heart or passion for app. St. Football. I do not think it is fair to paint a broad brush that all in next are silver spoon. It can be a decision on what don't does with discretionary income. They may spend less elsewhere.. my heart is not just as fickle where a few football seasons have have me "relocation to another country". So, yes it makes me chuckle..it is what it is..

Would it take a decade with Clark at the helm before you agree a change is needed?

[AtlAppMan]

1. About emailing Gillin, as AD shouldn’t he know what needs to be done and why without one of us emailing him? I expect him to know when he has a problem that requires his attention or else we have the wrong person in that role.

2. On buyouts in general, isn’t that somewhat baked into part of the budget for the overall cost of the program? Why have them in the contract if you never intend to or cannot afford to use them? I would think they are calculated as an amount that provides a mitigation factor (plan B) for when plan A doesn’t work. Basically plan B prevents a larger loss when plan A doesn’t work.

[PhillyApp1]

1. About emailing Gillin, as AD shouldn’t he know what needs to be done and why without one of us emailing him? I expect him to know when he has a problem that requires his attention or else we have the wrong person in that role.

2. On buyouts in general, isn’t that somewhat baked into part of the budget for the overall cost of the program? Why have them in the contract if you never intend to or cannot afford to use them? I would think they are calculated as an amount that provides a mitigation factor (plan B) for when plan A doesn’t work. Basically plan B prevents a larger loss when plan A doesn’t work.

A business person would have reserves.

Every school person I have ever spoken to has said they are broke.

[PhillyApp1]

1. About emailing Gillin, as AD shouldn’t he know what needs to be done and why without one of us emailing him? I expect him to know when he has a problem that requires his attention or else we have the wrong person in that role.

2. On buyouts in general, isn’t that somewhat baked into part of the budget for the overall cost of the program? Why have them in the contract if you never intend to or cannot afford to use them? I would think they are calculated as an amount that provides a mitigation factor (plan B) for when plan A doesn’t work. Basically plan B prevents a larger loss when plan A doesn’t work.

A business person would have reserves.

Every school person I have ever spoken to has said they are broke.

[appstate24]

1. About emailing Gillin, as AD shouldn’t he know what needs to be done and why without one of us emailing him? I expect him to know when he has a problem that requires his attention or else we have the wrong person in that role.

2. On buyouts in general, isn’t that somewhat baked into part of the budget for the overall cost of the program? Why have them in the contract if you never intend to or cannot afford to use them? I would think they are calculated as an amount that provides a mitigation factor (plan B) for when plan A doesn’t work. Basically plan B prevents a larger loss when plan A doesn’t work.

A business person would have reserves.

Every school person I have ever spoken to has said they are broke.

I said this in another post. But if this is truly the case and we can’t afford this freaking buyout…We have much larger problems than the crap we’ve seen on the field the past few years. If athletics finances are THAT bad, Doug needs to go for the absolute mismanagement of the athletic departments finances.

I would like to think that’s not the case.

[BambooRdApp]

Were there some poor coaching decisions. Yes

Am I renewing my NEZ seats now matter who the coach is ..hell yes.

Some of you sound like celebrities threatening to leave the country if XYZ candidate wins an election.makes me laugh out loud...I guess we can term it .."see ya Ellen's" ..as she is the only one I have heard is actually leaving the country..

I respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree with it. 1) you don’t have to donate to a presidential election to partake in the results. Yosef club members do. 2) most supporters don’t make NEZ money. I’m glad you do, but considering you do, it hurts others a lot more to donate than it does you due to income vs. outgo. 3) most people donate with their heart….if nothing changes, the heart Is gone.

After you donate your vote and lose, you have the cost of moving to whatever country probably more expensive than one year donation for season tickets. Then you have to deal with becoming a citizen in New country. That will take much more time and effort.

Everyone donates with their heart or passion for app. St. Football. I do not think it is fair to paint a broad brush that all in next are silver spoon. It can be a decision on what don't does with discretionary income. They may spend less elsewhere.. my heart is not just as fickle where a few football seasons have have me "relocation to another country". So, yes it makes me chuckle..it is what it is..

Would it take a decade with Clark at the helm before you agree a change is needed?

Has nothing to do with Clark or not being head coach in 2025. It is not my decision. You are making an assumption that I do not care if we win or lose....as they say when you assume ..YOU make an ass out of yourself. If you were to sit beside me in the NEZ, you would see my passion going both ways (happy and mad) and it is intense.
I just think it is short sighted to "give up" and withdraw my funding. That is a definite roadmap for the football program to never return to dominance. Hypothetically, let's say we have 7,500 seat ticket holders. If all 7,500 withdrew funding ..then zero chance that the football program returns to being dominant. Because money and funding are part of the equation.
That leads into another reason I contribute. The student athletes are doing the best that they can no matter who the coaches are and whether the coaches are putting them in the best position to win. Although I do not follow all the player's backgrounds, I do know some that come from lower middle class to lower class backgrounds....Without the athletic opportunity, many of them would not have opportunity to attend college. I hope that they have the best opportunity and experience they can have to get their four year degree...maybe this is due to the fact that their background is similar to my background (my brother and I first in the history of our family to ever attend college).
So, yes, I could be short sighted, suck on a pacifier, and throw a tantrum that I am withholding my funding if app does not terminate it's coach after the 2024....That does nothing but hurt the student athletes as they are getting opportunities they may not otherwise get. So, I view it in the bigger picture and longer term horizon when I think about giving or not giving. The current coach has nothing to do with it as that will change if results are not where expected.

[MrCraig]

Radio crew saying we have the right coaching and the right players. He's back next year 99% IMHO. They are blaming fans fans for rejecting it because of only losing season in years and years.
Ringing pretty hollow and sounds like the admin has made up its mind.
Sounds like the admin is going back to the philosophy they had when I first got to Boone....Athletics is a compliment to a well rounded education.

Higher ed is already in a major enrollment drop off. App has built its brand off of being a premier football school. If App loses its athletic advantage, we’re going to completely fall off. And I mean staff cuts left and right, major debt, and a total collapse of the brand that we all know.

This isn’t the time to play pretend and act like it’s 1997, 2007, or even 2017. Times have changed rapidly and we’re falling behind.

This over and over again. There are colleges and universities literally closing down all over the country. App is a premier teacher’s college, but no one is going into teaching anymore. App HAS to have a good athletics program to differentiate themselves from other schools and keep getting students.

[Pikapp79]

Radio crew saying we have the right coaching and the right players. He's back next year 99% IMHO. They are blaming fans fans for rejecting it because of only losing season in years and years.
Ringing pretty hollow and sounds like the admin has made up its mind.
Sounds like the admin is going back to the philosophy they had when I first got to Boone....Athletics is a compliment to a well rounded education.

The optimist in me is thinking they were being PC and putting lipstick on a pig.

They were definitely being PC. Think about it…who signs their paychecks?

Yeah, our own radio crew isn’t going to go negative, not going to happen.

Honestly, Clark hasn’t been ask one hard question during his press conferences in 5 years.

In case you haven’t noticed, there are plenty of people around the program who seem happy with Clark no matter what.

Jackson is poster boy for being PC. Wouldn’t hang my hat on a word he says.

[bcoach]

Radio crew saying we have the right coaching and the right players. He's back next year 99% IMHO. They are blaming fans fans for rejecting it because of only losing season in years and years.
Ringing pretty hollow and sounds like the admin has made up its mind.
Sounds like the admin is going back to the philosophy they had when I first got to Boone....Athletics is a compliment to a well rounded education.

Higher ed is already in a major enrollment drop off. App has built its brand off of being a premier football school. If App loses its athletic advantage, we’re going to completely fall off. And I mean staff cuts left and right, major debt, and a total collapse of the brand that we all know.

This isn’t the time to play pretend and act like it’s 1997, 2007, or even 2017. Times have changed rapidly and we’re falling behind.

This over and over again. There are colleges and universities literally closing down all over the country. App is a premier teacher’s college, but no one is going into teaching anymore. App HAS to have a good athletics program to differentiate themselves from other schools and keep getting students.

How incredibly sad. That is one of the more depressing things I have heard in a long while.

[BallantyneApp]

Radio crew saying we have the right coaching and the right players. He's back next year 99% IMHO. They are blaming fans fans for rejecting it because of only losing season in years and years.
Ringing pretty hollow and sounds like the admin has made up its mind.
Sounds like the admin is going back to the philosophy they had when I first got to Boone....Athletics is a compliment to a well rounded education.

Higher ed is already in a major enrollment drop off. App has built its brand off of being a premier football school. If App loses its athletic advantage, we’re going to completely fall off. And I mean staff cuts left and right, major debt, and a total collapse of the brand that we all know.

This isn’t the time to play pretend and act like it’s 1997, 2007, or even 2017. Times have changed rapidly and we’re falling behind.

This over and over again. There are colleges and universities literally closing down all over the country. App is a premier teacher’s college, but no one is going into teaching anymore. App HAS to have a good athletics program to differentiate themselves from other schools and keep getting students.

App has a premier business school, a college of health sciences gaining programs and a new innovation district helping us pivot into more STEM degrees over liberal arts.

Right we need our front porch in order but App is not and has not been a “teachers college” for a long long time

[8993]

Radio crew saying we have the right coaching and the right players. He's back next year 99% IMHO. They are blaming fans fans for rejecting it because of only losing season in years and years.
Ringing pretty hollow and sounds like the admin has made up its mind.
Sounds like the admin is going back to the philosophy they had when I first got to Boone....Athletics is a compliment to a well rounded education.

Higher ed is already in a major enrollment drop off. App has built its brand off of being a premier football school. If App loses its athletic advantage, we’re going to completely fall off. And I mean staff cuts left and right, major debt, and a total collapse of the brand that we all know.

This isn’t the time to play pretend and act like it’s 1997, 2007, or even 2017. Times have changed rapidly and we’re falling behind.

This over and over again. There are colleges and universities literally closing down all over the country. App is a premier teacher’s college, but no one is going into teaching anymore. App HAS to have a good athletics program to differentiate themselves from other schools and keep getting students.

App has a premier business school, a college of health sciences gaining programs and a new innovation district helping us pivot into more STEM degrees over liberal arts.

Right we need our front porch in order but App is not and has not been a “teachers college” for a long long time

I’m going to be totally frank here: I’ve worked in higher ed for years and years now and App is mainly known as a teaching college. When I tell people that I went to App for grad and undergrad, the first thing I hear from them is either about football, about it being a teaching college, or it being so cold in Boone.

That’s not to say that our other programs and colleges aren’t equally as important, but we aren’t quite as ‘known’ for them, not yet at least. And looking at App’s numbers, we’re doing alright, but that’s also largely due to the Hickory campus pulling in numbers of people who might never step foot on campus in Boone or really care about athletics.

Because of all of this, App is not invincible. Enrollment is down nationwide. Schools are closing or merging with others near by. 24 colleges closed in 2024. 5 more have already announced that this spring will be their last one open. And all of this is happening while our forthcoming administration is hoping to defund our Department of Education, which keeps THOUSANDS of schools open, while many students are choosing to not go into debt when they could just get a job back home.

This is a very real and scary threat that App is looking down the barrel of, just as every other non-flagship and non-P5 school is.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Radio crew saying we have the right coaching and the right players. He's back next year 99% IMHO. They are blaming fans fans for rejecting it because of only losing season in years and years.
Ringing pretty hollow and sounds like the admin has made up its mind.
Sounds like the admin is going back to the philosophy they had when I first got to Boone....Athletics is a compliment to a well rounded education.

Higher ed is already in a major enrollment drop off. App has built its brand off of being a premier football school. If App loses its athletic advantage, we’re going to completely fall off. And I mean staff cuts left and right, major debt, and a total collapse of the brand that we all know.

This isn’t the time to play pretend and act like it’s 1997, 2007, or even 2017. Times have changed rapidly and we’re falling behind.

This over and over again. There are colleges and universities literally closing down all over the country. App is a premier teacher’s college, but no one is going into teaching anymore. App HAS to have a good athletics program to differentiate themselves from other schools and keep getting students.

How incredibly sad. That is one of the more depressing things I have heard in a long while.

I want App to excel in whatever they do. But to say we HAVE to have good athletics is a bit strong I think, without some data to back this up. People come to Boone because of majors available, academic reputation of those programs, the mountains, the winter, the summer, the athletics, distance to home, being a legacy. Athletics is part of that I am sure but I would hope that is not the deciding factor. Certainly A factor but App has a lot to offer beyond athletics.

Any data of why students enroll at App State and their ranked order of the reasons?

[Stonewall]

So back to the game…we gave it away. Joey Turnover and too many poor coaching decisions. Victory was there for the taking. A winning season and likely bowl bid. Same script , different venue.

[8993]

To be fair, our abysmal performance didn’t earn us a bowl game. Even if we did go bowling, I’d hate to see the results, especially playing against any other FBS conference this year, sans CUSA, since the SBC was so down.

[Apptiger]

I went back and looked over the stats and the play by play. We out performed them in every aspect of the game, including penalties. Just looking at the stats, we should have won. Then I remembered the two missed field goals, the turnover at their 16, the zero points before half and a couple of critical and stupid penalties. And it hit hard, our sloppy play, poor clock management and bad play calls left 12-17 points on the field.
This is a game we should have and could have won.

For those threatening to withhold support if Clark is here next year....I understand the frustration but in doing so, you could damage the program further. I also understand limited monies and trying to raise kids and dollar priorities, been there, doing that. I think it would be better to continue giving if you can but make your voices heard. Money does talk but withholding it can make it harder to recover.

I could insert a huge amount of coach slamming here regarding recruiting, play design, techniques, defense but for now, I'll just say changes need to be made.
Cranky old man rant off.

[MrCraig]

Radio crew saying we have the right coaching and the right players. He's back next year 99% IMHO. They are blaming fans fans for rejecting it because of only losing season in years and years.
Ringing pretty hollow and sounds like the admin has made up its mind.
Sounds like the admin is going back to the philosophy they had when I first got to Boone....Athletics is a compliment to a well rounded education.

Higher ed is already in a major enrollment drop off. App has built its brand off of being a premier football school. If App loses its athletic advantage, we’re going to completely fall off. And I mean staff cuts left and right, major debt, and a total collapse of the brand that we all know.

This isn’t the time to play pretend and act like it’s 1997, 2007, or even 2017. Times have changed rapidly and we’re falling behind.

This over and over again. There are colleges and universities literally closing down all over the country. App is a premier teacher’s college, but no one is going into teaching anymore. App HAS to have a good athletics program to differentiate themselves from other schools and keep getting students.

How incredibly sad. That is one of the more depressing things I have heard in a long while.

I want App to excel in whatever they do. But to say we HAVE to have good athletics is a bit strong I think, without some data to back this up. People come to Boone because of majors available, academic reputation of those programs, the mountains, the winter, the summer, the athletics, distance to home, being a legacy. Athletics is part of that I am sure but I would hope that is not the deciding factor. Certainly A factor but App has a lot to offer beyond athletics.

Any data of why students enroll at App State and their ranked order of the reasons?

I don’t have the data you’re asking for, but without its athletics, what sets App State apart from Western Carolina or ETSU? App could stay open and provide a good education without athletics, but it wouldn’t be the jewel that it is without athletics. It would be just another small school.

[MrCraig]

Radio crew saying we have the right coaching and the right players. He's back next year 99% IMHO. They are blaming fans fans for rejecting it because of only losing season in years and years.
Ringing pretty hollow and sounds like the admin has made up its mind.
Sounds like the admin is going back to the philosophy they had when I first got to Boone....Athletics is a compliment to a well rounded education.

Higher ed is already in a major enrollment drop off. App has built its brand off of being a premier football school. If App loses its athletic advantage, we’re going to completely fall off. And I mean staff cuts left and right, major debt, and a total collapse of the brand that we all know.

This isn’t the time to play pretend and act like it’s 1997, 2007, or even 2017. Times have changed rapidly and we’re falling behind.

This over and over again. There are colleges and universities literally closing down all over the country. App is a premier teacher’s college, but no one is going into teaching anymore. App HAS to have a good athletics program to differentiate themselves from other schools and keep getting students.

App has a premier business school, a college of health sciences gaining programs and a new innovation district helping us pivot into more STEM degrees over liberal arts.

Right we need our front porch in order but App is not and has not been a “teachers college” for a long long time

How much is that due to other programs rising and how much is due to a massive drop in young adults wanting to become teachers? App has one of the best education programs in the southeast, and should be proud of it, but it won’t matter if no one wants to be a teacher.