The Boise Model

[Saint3333]

Using the term "never" implies something is nearly impossible, for half a decade the two programs were neck and neck on the field.

2015-2019 Records:

54-12 Team A (81%)
52-15 Team B (78%)

Guess which one is App State?

Boise, like App, slipped since 2019 until this year when Boise made a change.

Last five years:
38-23 App (62%)
38-18 Boise (68%)

We have a lot of potential, limiting our potential to the town of Boone is exactly how Laney would have debating this subject so I understand the reference.

[AppSt94]

Boise made a change because the players voiced their issues with Avalos. Boise hired Danielson, the DC as the interim and then took the interim tag off after the players voiced their desire to have him be their coach. Boise didn’t make a change because of some unmet standard.

[Saint3333]

Strange, is this similar to your claim that Clark never mentioned championships are the standard at App State:

“There are high expectations at App State. It’s championship or bust.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomlayberg ... tradition/

"Ultimately, Avalos' performance came up short of the standard he helped build as a former Boise State player (2001-04) and assistant coach (2012-18)."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... ndy-avalos

Feels like a similar program to us yet again.

[t4pizza]

We can have the success that Boise has enjoyed, without being Boise if that makes any sense. Financially speaking, we will not be up to their level in the near term and to think that we will is unrealistic. To continue to achieve what we have in FBS we will need to be very smart with our hires (AD, coaches), recruit well (high school and portal), develop those recruits, and win games. This can and has been done with less, but there is a small margin for error. So while I agree with many that say we can not be like Boise from a resource point of view, it does not mean that we can not enjoy a similar level of success. Hell, going into this year a single game separated our win totals since 2014 and that is including our past 4 years with SC. As bad as it seems, we really aren't that far off. It isn't like we are FSU and our team has completely quit on the coach and isn't showing up for games.

[AppStFan1]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…we know what we have. Is it acceptable? If not, changes need to be made. Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is not going to work.

Gillin is in a tough spot if he wants to make a change because he needs to wait until Dec 2 so the buyout would drop but that is just too late. I really think Gillin should come out either in full support and guarantee of another year or announce a change will be made. Can Gillin announce that Shawn won't return at end of season so people know we are looking for a new coach but still wait until Dec 2 to formally let him go?

I don’t believe that he, or anyone of influence wants to make a change. There is frustrations and concerns but not to the point that they pull that trigger.

We will see. I think Shawn has to win both games to ease concerns. I just don't see him maintaining his job with a losing record against FBS the last 3 years and missing a bowl game in 2 of 3 years.

I think that the decision has likely been made one way or another. Winning both games does ease concerns but losing them doesn’t necessarily change anything either. As you said, we will see what they decide and what the fanbase reaction will be.

I don't know if it has already but I think it should have been made already. I'm not saying this by pulling for one way or the other but I think the fan base reaction will be even more apathy if he stays.

[AppSt94]

Gillin is in a tough spot if he wants to make a change because he needs to wait until Dec 2 so the buyout would drop but that is just too late. I really think Gillin should come out either in full support and guarantee of another year or announce a change will be made. Can Gillin announce that Shawn won't return at end of season so people know we are looking for a new coach but still wait until Dec 2 to formally let him go?

I don’t believe that he, or anyone of influence wants to make a change. There is frustrations and concerns but not to the point that they pull that trigger.

We will see. I think Shawn has to win both games to ease concerns. I just don't see him maintaining his job with a losing record against FBS the last 3 years and missing a bowl game in 2 of 3 years.

I think that the decision has likely been made one way or another. Winning both games does ease concerns but losing them doesn’t necessarily change anything either. As you said, we will see what they decide and what the fanbase reaction will be.

I don't know if it has already but I think it should have been made already. I'm not saying this by pulling for one way or the other but I think the fan base reaction will be even more apathy if he stays.

That is likely a concern for retaining. I’m sure that they are weighing all options. Fans will be upset if it doesn’t go there way, but I don’t expect those feelings to last long. I’m sure those that were looking for a reason to stop buying tickets will not renew. Outside of that, I don’t feel like it will be that bad.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

The opposite of apathy is excitement/enthusiasm. Building excitement will be impossible with the same situation next year because no matter what “they” say, no one will believe a word based on the difference of the offseason hype to reality this year. I just think they dug their own grave by hyping it up so much this year. I really think if we want to even stand a chance of increasing our brand we don’t have a choice.

[mountaineerman]

I don’t believe that he, or anyone of influence wants to make a change. There is frustrations and concerns but not to the point that they pull that trigger.

We will see. I think Shawn has to win both games to ease concerns. I just don't see him maintaining his job with a losing record against FBS the last 3 years and missing a bowl game in 2 of 3 years.

I think that the decision has likely been made one way or another. Winning both games does ease concerns but losing them doesn’t necessarily change anything either. As you said, we will see what they decide and what the fanbase reaction will be.

I don't know if it has already but I think it should have been made already. I'm not saying this by pulling for one way or the other but I think the fan base reaction will be even more apathy if he stays.

That is likely a concern for retaining. I’m sure that they are weighing all options. Fans will be upset if it doesn’t go there way, but I don’t expect those feelings to last long. I’m sure those that were looking for a reason to stop buying tickets will not renew. Outside of that, I don’t feel like it will be that bad.

There you are Buddy! You watching this Tulsa/ECU? I bet there’s not 2000 at the game. Have You wrongfully accused anyone of scamming someone?

[spacemonkey]

I get the whole Boise has the whole state, but here is what we have going for us. We are not East, West, North, South some state. We got lucky to be called Appalachian State University. We literally appeal to a "region" of our country.
West Carolina, East Carolina, UNCCharlotte says in the name they are a subcategory lower category of Carolina.

We need Marketing and sales reps. I wish we would send a sales crew out with a 100% commission going to the sales Rep to sell adds for Appalachian State. We should get our name everywhere and make it a household name. Not hope it becomes a household name. We should be on napkins, Walls, pizza boxes, cups anywhere we can get our name. We don't need to make money on this operation it should fund itself with the commission structure. We have to build the brand and not just through ESPN. It is a great brand and could be built more with not much money. I know I have mentioned it before, but every time I see a papa johns add with all of the NC Schools and App is not on it I get sad. We should let them put it on there for free.

[GreatAppSt]

As long as we have fun 4-7 is a fine season.

Makes me wanna make mud with spilled beer on the hill and go slidin down it in my Sunday overalls, by cracky.

[Saint3333]

In 1899, someone probably said that’s a cute little academy, going to be tough to grow that into something.

Thank goodness for BB and DD and subsequent leaders who saw opportunities.

[GreatAppSt]

In 1899, someone probably said that’s a cute little academy, going to be tough to grow that into something.

Thank goodness for BB and DD and subsequent leaders who saw opportunities.

Holy initials Batman he trotted out the icons!

AE was also a great leader and JM saw the opportunities with him early and more NC's came of it. KP saw the potential for us in FBS that RL just could never find. SS inaugurated us setting things up well. SC well IMHO he has to many L's ands more really bad L's than I'd like to count, and here we are.

If you read that and understood it consider Yosef a perdy decent Mountaineer.

[t4pizza]

In 1899, someone probably said that’s a cute little academy, going to be tough to grow that into something.

Thank goodness for BB and DD and subsequent leaders who saw opportunities.

Holy initials Batman he trotted out the icons!

AE was also a great leader and JM saw the opportunities with him early and more NC's came of it. KP saw the potential for us in FBS that RL just could never find. SS inaugurated us setting things up well. SC well IMHO he has to many L's ands more really bad L's than I'd like to count, and here we are.

If you read that and understood it consider Yosef a perdy decent Mountaineer.

Decent Mountaineer? Hell, if you can't understand it then you should return your degree. Ok, maybe that is too tough a penalty but at least one should be forced to do some remedial App State Football classes. Anyone who doesn't recognize those initials needs at least a refresher course.

[AppSt94]

We will see. I think Shawn has to win both games to ease concerns. I just don't see him maintaining his job with a losing record against FBS the last 3 years and missing a bowl game in 2 of 3 years.

I think that the decision has likely been made one way or another. Winning both games does ease concerns but losing them doesn’t necessarily change anything either. As you said, we will see what they decide and what the fanbase reaction will be.

I don't know if it has already but I think it should have been made already. I'm not saying this by pulling for one way or the other but I think the fan base reaction will be even more apathy if he stays.

That is likely a concern for retaining. I’m sure that they are weighing all options. Fans will be upset if it doesn’t go there way, but I don’t expect those feelings to last long. I’m sure those that were looking for a reason to stop buying tickets will not renew. Outside of that, I don’t feel like it will be that bad.

There you are Buddy! You watching this Tulsa/ECU? I bet there’s not 2000 at the game. Have You wrongfully accused anyone of scamming someone?

If our fanbase bails on the kids after one losing season, then it doesn’t deserve the title, “best fans in America.” Quitters quit when the chips are down.

[Bigdaddyg1]

There are schools who apparently withstand some average seasons and still have no trouble packing in students-most of which don’t take the whole thing as seriously as some do here. Those young folks will continue to tailgate, drink and scream wildly at games. These schools will still have alumni come with their tents and other tailgate stuff. At App and other schools it comes down to the check writers, many of which either have more money than sense, are excessively delusional or probably both. We all know that sports are are a results based proposition and I really doubt that the segment of fans not screaming for heads to roll is happy with results-isn’t it possible to be unhappy, want better results and also not necessarily wanting mass firings every single time we drop off some?

That “have fun” comment has been beaten to death but seriously isn’t that supposed to be what it’s all about? Can’t someone wish for people to enjoy themselves and have fun (still be disappointed at results), but keep things in perspective and not live and die by a football record? I think it’s very sad to read App alumni/“fans” say publicly that they won’t renew tickets if changes aren’t made. It’s absolutely a free country and people can do whatever they want with their money but a great majority of us have the innate ability to move on from a game each week.

[Saint3333]

There is a small percentage of fans saying they are pulling support.

There is a small percentage of fans saying that are satisfied with the results the last three years.

There is a growing faction sending messages privately to those that are in positions to make decisions.

The next weeks that group may become larger and more vocal.

[appst89]

There is a small percentage of fans saying they are pulling support.

There is a small percentage of fans saying that are satisfied with the results the last three years.

There is a growing faction sending messages privately to those that are in positions to make decisions.

The next weeks that group may become larger and more vocal.

Fans just don't understand and shouldn't have an opinion. They should send more money and be quiet.

[AppSt91]

I think that the decision has likely been made one way or another. Winning both games does ease concerns but losing them doesn’t necessarily change anything either. As you said, we will see what they decide and what the fanbase reaction will be.

I don't know if it has already but I think it should have been made already. I'm not saying this by pulling for one way or the other but I think the fan base reaction will be even more apathy if he stays.

That is likely a concern for retaining. I’m sure that they are weighing all options. Fans will be upset if it doesn’t go there way, but I don’t expect those feelings to last long. I’m sure those that were looking for a reason to stop buying tickets will not renew. Outside of that, I don’t feel like it will be that bad.

There you are Buddy! You watching this Tulsa/ECU? I bet there’s not 2000 at the game. Have You wrongfully accused anyone of scamming someone?

If our fanbase bails on the kids after one losing season, then it doesn’t deserve the title, “best fans in America.” Quitters quit when the chips are down.

In the same vein, winners aren’t afraid to make the necessary changes when the status quo isn’t working.

[asunate]

I don't know if it has already but I think it should have been made already. I'm not saying this by pulling for one way or the other but I think the fan base reaction will be even more apathy if he stays.

That is likely a concern for retaining. I’m sure that they are weighing all options. Fans will be upset if it doesn’t go there way, but I don’t expect those feelings to last long. I’m sure those that were looking for a reason to stop buying tickets will not renew. Outside of that, I don’t feel like it will be that bad.

There you are Buddy! You watching this Tulsa/ECU? I bet there’s not 2000 at the game. Have You wrongfully accused anyone of scamming someone?

If our fanbase bails on the kids after one losing season, then it doesn’t deserve the title, “best fans in America.” Quitters quit when the chips are down.

In the same vein, winners aren’t afraid to make the necessary changes when the status quo isn’t working.

Bam! That's the point of posting the article.

[Saint3333]

I don't know if it has already but I think it should have been made already. I'm not saying this by pulling for one way or the other but I think the fan base reaction will be even more apathy if he stays.

That is likely a concern for retaining. I’m sure that they are weighing all options. Fans will be upset if it doesn’t go there way, but I don’t expect those feelings to last long. I’m sure those that were looking for a reason to stop buying tickets will not renew. Outside of that, I don’t feel like it will be that bad.

There you are Buddy! You watching this Tulsa/ECU? I bet there’s not 2000 at the game. Have You wrongfully accused anyone of scamming someone?

If our fanbase bails on the kids after one losing season, then it doesn’t deserve the title, “best fans in America.” Quitters quit when the chips are down.

In the same vein, winners aren’t afraid to make the necessary changes when the status quo isn’t working.

Audentes Fortuna Iuvat.