Marshall..?

[ASUTodd]

Meanwhile, Boise St has a Heisman candidate running back wreaking havoc on opponents.

[appgrad95&97]

If they wait until after the season then every single recruit will be released from their commitment and allowed to go somewhere else. Though based on his lack of recruiting success maybe that won’t be a bad thing. Regardless this will take the program several years to recover from at least. We aren’t used to rebuilding here

Assuming Clark is fired this season, how many future underperforming seasons would be due to Clark? I am asking what would be the grace period for the next coach.

Sparky Woods turned things around in year two.

[AppDub]

Some mistakes, but Joey is giving it all within his abilities and what he has to work with. I think he'd throw it to himself if he could, just to get things going. Its just sad to watch.

I agree Joey is giving it his all, but even he is regressing. The stst line looks pretty decent, but he is missing on the deep ball more (think first homerun shot they took on the first drive was well under thrown even though there was two steps of separations), he is holding the ball longer with a line in front of him that is not very strong, and there is always the bad decision INT he is good for a time or two in the game. I love the kid and the grit he plays with, although I think it is going to get him hurt always lowering his shoulder on runs, however I think under a different staff he would be excelling even more. Maybe NC State took the wrong Sunbelt QB.

[Bootsy]

After what we saw yesterday against a middling Marshall squad, I wonder what the outcome would've been like against LU?

[WataugaMan]

After what we saw yesterday against a middling Marshall squad, I wonder what the outcome would've been like against LU?

Didn't you mean LR?

[Bootsy]

After what we saw yesterday against a middling Marshall squad, I wonder what the outcome would've been like against LU?

Didn't you mean LR?

One shudders at the thought...

[ericsaid]

Some mistakes, but Joey is giving it all within his abilities and what he has to work with. I think he'd throw it to himself if he could, just to get things going. Its just sad to watch.

I agree Joey is giving it his all, but even he is regressing. The stst line looks pretty decent, but he is missing on the deep ball more (think first homerun shot they took on the first drive was well under thrown even though there was two steps of separations), he is holding the ball longer with a line in front of him that is not very strong, and there is always the bad decision INT he is good for a time or two in the game. I love the kid and the grit he plays with, although I think it is going to get him hurt always lowering his shoulder on runs, however I think under a different staff he would be excelling even more. Maybe NC State took the wrong Sunbelt QB.

Joey had an almost 75 QBR despite being sacked a few times and two interceptions. That is 75 out of 100.

This offense is sorely missing Deshaun Davis and Milan Tucker at receiver, and certainly missing the Cam Peoples/Nate Noel dynamic at running back.

Joey has been down in every game except one this year and has had to throw or run for almost 400 yards in two losses despite the defense knowing full well he is going to throw. He made several NFL level throws last night that will have scouts salivating.

The problem on both sides of the ball is speed. I know that you don’t want to pull veterans if you don’t have to but it might be time to throw the kid from Florida in there in the slot and see what he can do.

Linebacker speed and reads are a real issue as well.

[ericsaid]

Some mistakes, but Joey is giving it all within his abilities and what he has to work with. I think he'd throw it to himself if he could, just to get things going. Its just sad to watch.

I agree Joey is giving it his all, but even he is regressing. The stst line looks pretty decent, but he is missing on the deep ball more (think first homerun shot they took on the first drive was well under thrown even though there was two steps of separations), he is holding the ball longer with a line in front of him that is not very strong, and there is always the bad decision INT he is good for a time or two in the game. I love the kid and the grit he plays with, although I think it is going to get him hurt always lowering his shoulder on runs, however I think under a different staff he would be excelling even more. Maybe NC State took the wrong Sunbelt QB.

The only receiver that will high point a ball in the middle of the field is Kaedin. Dalton will high point a ball in the end zone but it’s almost like he is worried about stopping in the field to battle for a 50/50 ball, which you may know, is a staple of the Frank Ponce school of quarterbacking.

Stroman is 6’4 and can out compete almost every defensive back for a ball in the field but he almost plays like he’s 5’11 until he gets into the end zone.

Receivers aren’t getting off of man coverage and that is a serious issue that could be rectified with some speed. The zone stretch as a concept isn’t an issue either as I just watched Vanderbilt run it to perfection against Alabama.

[Saint3333]

If we could run the ball, Joey all of a sudden would be amazing.

[AppSt12]

After what we saw yesterday against a middling Marshall squad, I wonder what the outcome would've been like against LU?

Didn't you mean LR?

My fear is...clemson aside...we may have played the 4 weakest teams on our schedule. We will probably upset 1 more team...maybe 2. But this is a far more horrifying situation than we ever imagined. Can you believe we were a legit playoff contender this year? My god what has shawn clark done..

[311neers]

Will we have a 1,000 yard rusher? More like will the whole team be able to rush for 1,000 yards?

[BambooRdApp]

Tudor's biscuits in West Va. are very overrated...
One stop was my last stop.

[Yosef84]

I skipped over most of the thread. I did see someone say that they should be selling those "Mountain Strong" shirts and donating the proceeds. THEY ARE. Go to the store on AppStateSports.com. They are "pre-selling" them and 100% of proceeds go to the hurricane fund. I ordered one yesterday. It's a joint effort with Alumni Hall so their site probably have them also as well as the bookstore.

All I will say is the team continued to fight. Two blown plays (busted coverage for the long TD and the interception for a TD) were the difference in the game. Frustrating but there's hope things could come together.

Looks like one of Clark's apologists is posting earlier that anticipated. The mental gymnastics that you exhibit with explaining away a loss is unreal.

I don't see any apologies or excuses anywhere in there, so stop being an ass. You want to be a quitter in mid season, you be you. Pathetic. I'm sure you think your whining is "helping" in some delusional way. Pathetic.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I don’t see a single post that would support being an “apologist” (whatever that means). There is a segment who want coaches fired constantly and there is a segment with realistic and cooler heads. I doubt that any fans are either happy or satisfied with results. I doubt that any coaches are either happy or satisfied. Folks can be upset and disappointed with game results without being over the top vocal about firing people. The lunatic fringe who wants the entire staff fired is just that- lunatics.

[Saint3333]

People continue to read posts in a light in which they can pretend the fan base is unrealistic.

That must be the therapy you’re seeking while criticizing those that are seeking therapy objectively stating there are issues with this program and have been for about three years.

[Yosef84]

I don’t see a single post that would support being an “apologist” (whatever that means). There is a segment who want coaches fired constantly and there is a segment with realistic and cooler heads. I doubt that any fans are either happy or satisfied with results. I doubt that any coaches are either happy or satisfied. Folks can be upset and disappointed with game results without being over the top vocal about firing people. The lunatic fringe who wants the entire staff fired is just that- lunatics.

I think you are correct that NOBODY is happy about this season so far. It has been painful. The "apologist" label is an attempt to dismiss an opinion that differs from their own and built a straw man to attack. Some seem to apply it to any post whatsoever that exhibits hope or positive spin at all. It's a shame that approach has become the norm in our society.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I don’t see a single post that would support being an “apologist” (whatever that means). There is a segment who want coaches fired constantly and there is a segment with realistic and cooler heads. I doubt that any fans are either happy or satisfied with results. I doubt that any coaches are either happy or satisfied. Folks can be upset and disappointed with game results without being over the top vocal about firing people. The lunatic fringe who wants the entire staff fired is just that- lunatics.

I think you are correct that NOBODY is happy about this season so far. It has been painful. The "apologist" label is an attempt to dismiss an opinion that differs from their own and built a straw man to attack. Some seem to apply it to any post whatsoever that exhibits hope or positive spin at all. It's a shame that approach has become the norm in our society.

Exactly. Find one single post that says Clark is a great coach, doing a great job, etc. I can’t recall one anywhere. You’re right if the majority doesn’t get on board with the fire them all crowd those sane folks are apologists

[appgrad95&97]

This is about expectations. Look at the SEC, great conference, a lot of good programs; there are fanbases which love their teams but don't expect to win or even compete for a conference title (South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi State...), they want to win some good games. Is App the Auburn of the Sun Belt? Or are we the Alabama? Personally, I don't expect to win every game. I don't expect to win or play for the conference title every year. But I have come to expect to be competitive with conference programs. When legendary programs loose great coaches they step back. Coaching really matters in college football. It did at Alabama after Bryant, it did at Florida between Spurrier and Myer and since, it has Notre Dame since Holtz...

[BambooRdApp]

I don’t see a single post that would support being an “apologist” (whatever that means). There is a segment who want coaches fired constantly and there is a segment with realistic and cooler heads. I doubt that any fans are either happy or satisfied with results. I doubt that any coaches are either happy or satisfied. Folks can be upset and disappointed with game results without being over the top vocal about firing people. The lunatic fringe who wants the entire staff fired is just that- lunatics.

I think you are correct that NOBODY is happy about this season so far. It has been painful. The "apologist" label is an attempt to dismiss an opinion that differs from their own and built a straw man to attack. Some seem to apply it to any post whatsoever that exhibits hope or positive spin at all. It's a shame that approach has become the norm in our society.

Exactly. Find one single post that says Clark is a great coach, doing a great job, etc. I can’t recall one anywhere. You’re right if the majority doesn’t get on board with the fire them all crowd those sane folks are apologists

It is the news related cycles we live in today. Negative news is much more prevalent than positive news whether TV news, social media news, ...and people, in general, seem to have a more negative outlook whether football, the world etc...because that is a all that is being reinforced mentally by all they see in the media....and social media boards make it easy to be a keyboard warrior. However, I do see them providing long term solutions.

There is much complaining and negative comments...but no real long term solutions being offered.
I am influenced myself by our past success (past long term coach in Moore and a decent period with satt).and want to win as much as anyone. However, I do not want a rent-a-coach every 3 year either.
To keep a coach for any period of time (so they are waiting for the right opportunity versus any opportunity), the head football coach at App. St. base salary needs to $2.0 range and the OC and DC need to be in the $800K to $1 0 million...just my opinion.
However, we have many complaining on whatever social media outlets for this or that to happen... however, they do not want to put the adequate skin in the game to make it happen.
Just my opinion.

[311neers]

This is about expectations. Look at the SEC, great conference, a lot of good programs; there are fanbases which love their teams but don't expect to win or even compete for a conference title (South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi State...), they want to win some good games. Is App the Auburn of the Sun Belt? Or are we the Alabama? Personally, I don't expect to win every game. I don't expect to win or play for the conference title every year. But I have come to expect to be competitive with conference programs. When legendary programs loose great coaches they step back. Coaching really matters in college football. It did at Alabama after Bryant, it did at Florida between Spurrier and Myer and since, it has Notre Dame since Holtz...

If this was 2019/2020, I Appsolutely would have said we are the Bama/Georgia of the Sun Belt or G5 for that matter. Expected to win every game.
We had two paths to go. Be the Bama/Georgia of the belt or fall to being the USCjr of the belt.