App...athy. = sadness

[hapapp]

Let’s level set the level of resources vs our peers.

Which SBC programs raise more money via their scholarship fund, tickets, and licensing revenue than App?

But isn't that apples and oranges with respect to those resources v. NIL? We're spending large sums on infrastructure (not saying that's wrong) versus making resources directly available to the players (and not saying that's right). Does that advantage those that don't need to spend to catch up with outdated facilities?

[JTApps1]

Let’s level set the level of resources vs our peers.

Which SBC programs raise more money via their scholarship fund, tickets, and licensing revenue than App?

We are at the top of those yet our budgets are midpack in the SBC, and we'll below most AAC and MWC. The cause for that needs to be addressed quickly by the university. NIL is also behind most. I don't like NIL but it's part of college athletics now so we have to figure it out.

[Saint3333]

Do you have football budgets by school?

[Appmountaineers19]

Do you have football budgets by school?

https://www.sportico.com/business/comme ... 234646029/

If this is from 22-23 I think it's the closest data we can get. Total operating budget is 13 million and change

[appgrad95&97]

Clark was not objectively qualified when he got the job. He was a position coach, not even a coordinator. He got the job because he was an App guy who is well liked. The only hope I had was that he could grow into the job. Personally, I don't think he has. There were serious questions about the hire to begin with.

[RaleighApp27609]

My God people, in the world we live in expecting a conference championship every year or fire the coach is a terrible take. A couple years of 6-6 back to back sure but we are there yet IMO.

We are in year 5 and no championships and a couple of blowout loses through the first four games. 6-6 in 2022, 8-5 in 2023 and possible 6-6 or worse this year isn't cause concern?

[AppYosef!]

"The sky is falling! The sky if falling!" ---- An awful lot of folks on this board seem to forget that people called for the firing of Coach Moore when he had some pretty mediocre seasons early on in his tenure at App. But he turned things around and is now a Hall of Fame coach. An outsider would look at the record Coach Clark has and wonder what all the brouhaha is about. As fans we always expect greatness and championships but if we are fans long enough we come to except that not all seasons go our way. I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship. Let's all stop being Henny Penny and get behind the staff and team 100%. Time will tell, but I think Clark deserves the chance Coach Moore got.

[AppKing21]

"The sky is falling! The sky if falling!" ---- An awful lot of folks on this board seem to forget that people called for the firing of Coach Moore when he had some pretty mediocre seasons early on in his tenure at App. But he turned things around and is now a Hall of Fame coach. An outsider would look at the record Coach Clark has and wonder what all the brouhaha is about. As fans we always expect greatness and championships but if we are fans long enough we come to except that not all seasons go our way. I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship. Let's all stop being Henny Penny and get behind the staff and team 100%. Time will tell, but I think Clark deserves the chance Coach Moore got.

The line in the sand has been crossed multiple times...

[RaleighApp27609]

.....I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship.

Keep reading this in multiple threads but there's rarely any additional specifics given. How much more time do you feel Clark needs after a possible 6-6 season?

[Pikapp79]

.....I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship.

Keep reading this in multiple threads but there's rarely any additional specifics given. How much more time do you feel Clark needs after a possible 6-6 season?

You know the answer.

[AppWyo]

.....I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship.

Keep reading this in multiple threads but there's rarely any additional specifics given. How much more time do you feel Clark needs after a possible 6-6 season?

You know the answer.

Maybe, if he has five losing seasons in a row. He has yet to have any losing seasons.

[BeauFoster]

.....I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship.

Keep reading this in multiple threads but there's rarely any additional specifics given. How much more time do you feel Clark needs after a possible 6-6 season?

You know the answer.

Maybe, if he has five losing seasons in a row. He has yet to have any losing seasons.

You would keep a coach around after 4 losing seasons in a row? Seriously?

[Pikapp79]

.....I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship.

Keep reading this in multiple threads but there's rarely any additional specifics given. How much more time do you feel Clark needs after a possible 6-6 season?

You know the answer.

Maybe, if he has five losing seasons in a row. He has yet to have any losing seasons.

So that’s your measuring stick? Hmmm

[Pikapp79]

.....I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship.

Keep reading this in multiple threads but there's rarely any additional specifics given. How much more time do you feel Clark needs after a possible 6-6 season?

You know the answer.

Maybe, if he has five losing seasons in a row. He has yet to have any losing seasons.

So that’s your measuring stick? Hmmm

[Seattleapp]

.....I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship.

Keep reading this in multiple threads but there's rarely any additional specifics given. How much more time do you feel Clark needs after a possible 6-6 season?

You know the answer.

Maybe, if he has five losing seasons in a row. He has yet to have any losing seasons.

So that’s your measuring stick? Hmmm

You need to get a grip. I’m not even being snarky. Relax man

[DenverOfTheEast]

"The sky is falling! The sky if falling!" ---- An awful lot of folks on this board seem to forget that people called for the firing of Coach Moore when he had some pretty mediocre seasons early on in his tenure at App. But he turned things around and is now a Hall of Fame coach. An outsider would look at the record Coach Clark has and wonder what all the brouhaha is about. As fans we always expect greatness and championships but if we are fans long enough we come to except that not all seasons go our way. I am willing to give the coaches and players a chance to right the ship. Let's all stop being Henny Penny and get behind the staff and team 100%. Time will tell, but I think Clark deserves the chance Coach Moore got.

I get what your saying, here is the difference, the stakes are higher the AD listens to Millionaires and doesn't have a relationship with his Head Coach like - Jerry and Roachel had, Roachel didn't give in under pressure.

No really one likes Clark, he has not helped him self with some donors and I am not talking about the big ones, I'm talking about the middle of the row guys that have tailgate talks with the high end ones.

Clark has the same overall record in 5 years as Sparky had, but the pressure is different the expectations are different,
6-6 record and everyone needs a clean break - not healthy for his family or the fan base.

[704App]

Clark was not objectively qualified when he got the job. He was a position coach, not even a coordinator. He got the job because he was an App guy who is well liked. The only hope I had was that he could grow into the job. Personally, I don't think he has. There were serious questions about the hire to begin with.

Well that's just not true..

He was the co-offensive coordinator for 3 seasons under Satt (run game coordinator while Ponce was passing game coordinator).

He then got promoted to Associate Head Coach under Drink.

You can disagree with the hire all day, but don't say he wasn't qualified because he didn't even hold an OC position. Not only did he hold that, he also held the "next in line" job because he was promoted by Drink.

[appgrad95&97]

Clark was not objectively qualified when he got the job. He was a position coach, not even a coordinator. He got the job because he was an App guy who is well liked. The only hope I had was that he could grow into the job. Personally, I don't think he has. There were serious questions about the hire to begin with.

Well that's just not true..

He was the co-offensive coordinator for 3 seasons under Satt (run game coordinator while Ponce was passing game coordinator).

He then got promoted to Associate Head Coach under Drink.

You can disagree with the hire all day, but don't say he wasn't qualified because he didn't even hold an OC position. Not only did he hold that, he also held the "next in line" job because he was promoted by Drink.

When he was co offensive coordinator under Satt, did he have any play calling responsibilities? When he was Associated Head Coach did he? Did he have any defensive responsibilities? These are honest questions, because I understood that co offensive coordinator was a title he was given to make more money, a goal Satt had for his assistants. I may be totally wrong.

[704App]

Clark was not objectively qualified when he got the job. He was a position coach, not even a coordinator. He got the job because he was an App guy who is well liked. The only hope I had was that he could grow into the job. Personally, I don't think he has. There were serious questions about the hire to begin with.

Well that's just not true..

He was the co-offensive coordinator for 3 seasons under Satt (run game coordinator while Ponce was passing game coordinator).

He then got promoted to Associate Head Coach under Drink.

You can disagree with the hire all day, but don't say he wasn't qualified because he didn't even hold an OC position. Not only did he hold that, he also held the "next in line" job because he was promoted by Drink.

When he was co offensive coordinator under Satt, did he have any play calling responsibilities? When he was Associated Head Coach did he? Did he have any defensive responsibilities? These are honest questions, because I understood that co offensive coordinator was a title he was given to make more money, a goal Satt had for his assistants. I may be totally wrong.

Can't answer that other than by saying the title implies he planned and coordinated the running attack under Satt.

When he was Associate Head Coach, I'd bet he didn't have play calling duties because he wasn't a coordinator. But I can all but guarantee he was part of the game planning processes and at least gave suggestions based on what he was seeing. Remember, Drink was the OC too.

Same with defense -- nope, he probably didn't have experience calling a defense. He probably still doesn't. But, as AHC, I can all but guarantee he was in in the game planning.

I'm not in the locker room or coaches offices so I can only guess based on titles. But, unless you are in the locker room or coaches offices, you have the same guess as me.

Again, you don't have to like the hire or the results, but let's not make stuff up or completely ignore facts to come up with the reason you didn't like the hire.

[appgrad95&97]

Clark was not objectively qualified when he got the job. He was a position coach, not even a coordinator. He got the job because he was an App guy who is well liked. The only hope I had was that he could grow into the job. Personally, I don't think he has. There were serious questions about the hire to begin with.

Well that's just not true..

He was the co-offensive coordinator for 3 seasons under Satt (run game coordinator while Ponce was passing game coordinator).

He then got promoted to Associate Head Coach under Drink.

You can disagree with the hire all day, but don't say he wasn't qualified because he didn't even hold an OC position. Not only did he hold that, he also held the "next in line" job because he was promoted by Drink.

When he was co offensive coordinator under Satt, did he have any play calling responsibilities? When he was Associated Head Coach did he? Did he have any defensive responsibilities? These are honest questions, because I understood that co offensive coordinator was a title he was given to make more money, a goal Satt had for his assistants. I may be totally wrong.

Can't answer that other than by saying the title implies he planned and coordinated the running attack under Satt.

When he was Associate Head Coach, I'd bet he didn't have play calling duties because he wasn't a coordinator. But I can all but guarantee he was part of the game planning processes and at least gave suggestions based on what he was seeing. Remember, Drink was the OC too.

Same with defense -- nope, he probably didn't have experience calling a defense. He probably still doesn't. But, as AHC, I can all but guarantee he was in in the game planning.

I'm not in the locker room or coaches offices so I can only guess based on titles. But, unless you are in the locker room or coaches offices, you have the same guess as me.

Again, you don't have to like the hire or the results, but let's not make stuff up or completely ignore facts to come up with the reason you didn't like the hire.

My guess is, offensive line coach with some new titles.