Realistic coaching options for 2025...

[appst89]

If SE was still in town he probably would be packing up this morning. He will need a Bowl win to salvage another year. I don’t see six wins on the schedule based on last night.BOT meets today.

Will a bowl win be enough? We've been told since 2022 that this is THE YEAR. It's already very clear that this isn't the year. Will 7-6 be good enough when the expectations were so high heading into the season?

[appbio91]

Shawn Clark, he will eke out 6 wins and go to a bowl. We will wash and repeat.

[BeauFoster]

If SE was still in town he probably would be packing up this morning. He will need a Bowl win to salvage another year. I don’t see six wins on the schedule based on last night.BOT meets today.

Will a bowl win be enough? We've been told since 2022 that this is THE YEAR. It's already very clear that this isn't the year. Will 7-6 be good enough when the expectations were so high heading into the season?

This should be the judgement year. We have a team led by a seasoned QB, with plenty or weapons around him. Senior leadership in the defensive backfield. The 7th year guys have cleared out mostly and we should be on level terms with our peers. We have a small amount of NIL money to use, and by all accounts are willing to use it.

This is Clark’s team, and his staff. This is the bed he’s made, so the buck should stop with him, and by extension, the administration. We can see where we are, and where we will be as a program at this point.

[MrCraig]

Shawn Clark, he will eke out 6 wins and go to a bowl. We will wash and repeat.

Depends on where the other 4 wins come from. Beat Marshall, JMU, Coastal, and GA Southern with a bowl win, maybe. Any other combination seems firable to me.

[bcoach]

I would call Scott Saterfield and ask him who we should hire and I would hire that person.

Actually if our ad does not already know exactly who he is going to call, he needs to be fired also.

[bcoach]

I would call Scott Saterfield and ask him who we should hire and I would hire that person.

Or just bring Satt back. He ain’t gonna last another season in Cincy anyways.

WE don't need a Sat or a drink. Neither had to build a team from scratch. We need someone to build a new team. Both those guys ( and I like Scott ) inherated succesful teams. This team is a train wreck and we need a startover.

[ASUFan4863]

I’ve said for some time Gillin deserves more blame than he gets. It’s evident now. Both need to be gone.

[311neers]

If SE was still in town he probably would be packing up this morning. He will need a Bowl win to salvage another year. I don’t see six wins on the schedule based on last night.BOT meets today.

Will a bowl win be enough? We've been told since 2022 that this is THE YEAR. It's already very clear that this isn't the year. Will 7-6 be good enough when the expectations were so high heading into the season?

No. Floor is 9 wins.

[DenverOfTheEast]

hey #TeamClark I cannot defend that comment regarding the effort, I have went as far as I can go.

Clark needed to have more say in his non conference schedule in order to coach long term and clearly he has no say in that - it partly cost Jim Fox his job and will partly cost Shawn Clark his job(he should let Kerns do his non conference scheduling honestly)

I honestly don't see any growth in Clark as a Head Coach, not sure he has gotten better in his position -
The team is failing in personnel decisions(recruiting) - failing in tackling - failing in running the ball - failing in motivating = 3 poor starts - failing in making plays on 3rd downs - failing in being the CEO of the program - Portal guys don't work at App State - it's not the foundation of the program.

Satt won with HS kids growing up at App within the program and obviously Drink inherited those kids, Clark had them for first 2 seasons, but the game has changed and traditional coaches like Clark are not use to that are NOT good with portal kids, it's just the way it is.

Need to find a guy like Curt Cignetti --- that won at different smaller places and worked his way up the ladder, look what he's doing now at Indiana, not sure its sustainable but he's kicking the sh*t out of teams so far. A P5 OC's and DC's candidates make too much money unless they are bottom of the P5 programs.

Gillin needs to go as well, here is why. Everts never wanted Clark, Gillin listened to the players, it was good for 2 seasons, BUT incomes the Portal and NIL and Gillin refused to help the program behind the scenes in areas that needed it in the new landscape. Plus Gillin listens to Ricks and Sofield way to much - that whole incest situation needs to be removed.

Outsider as the Head Coach
New voice as the head of athletics
New Chancellor

The whole place needs a new energy!!

Entitlement has crept in from the fan base as well.

I predicted in 2015 (verbally told Randy Jackson) that after the excitement of FBS wears off App would turn into a purgatory of football like a MAC school or Marshall did, and look where we are.

[ASUTodd]

I would call Scott Saterfield and ask him who we should hire and I would hire that person.

Or just bring Satt back. He ain’t gonna last another season in Cincy anyways.

WE don't need a Sat or a drink. Neither had to build a team from scratch. We need someone to build a new team. Both those guys ( and I like Scott ) inherated succesful teams. This team is a train wreck and we need a startover.

I'd say Drink is doing a fine job at Mizzo. He inherited nothing there.

[BallantyneApp]

I would call Scott Saterfield and ask him who we should hire and I would hire that person.

Or just bring Satt back. He ain’t gonna last another season in Cincy anyways.

WE don't need a Sat or a drink. Neither had to build a team from scratch. We need someone to build a new team. Both those guys ( and I like Scott ) inherated succesful teams. This team is a train wreck and we need a startover.

I don’t want Scott 2.0 but he built a team. We were a declining fcs team when he took over.

But totally agree we need a refresh

[bcoach]

hey #TeamClark I cannot defend that comment regarding the effort, I have went as far as I can go.

Clark needed to have more say in his non conference schedule in order to coach long term and clearly he has no say in that - it partly cost Jim Fox his job and will partly cost Shawn Clark his job(he should let Kerns do his non conference scheduling honestly)

I honestly don't see any growth in Clark as a Head Coach, not sure he has gotten better in his position -
The team is failing in personnel decisions(recruiting) - failing in tackling - failing in running the ball - failing in motivating = 3 poor starts - failing in making plays on 3rd downs - failing in being the CEO of the program - Portal guys don't work at App State - it's not the foundation of the program.

Satt won with HS kids growing up at App within the program and obviously Drink inherited those kids, Clark had them for first 2 seasons, but the game has changed and traditional coaches like Clark are not use to that are NOT good with portal kids, it's just the way it is.

Need to find a guy like Curt Cignetti --- that won at different smaller places and worked his way up the ladder, look what he's doing now at Indiana, not sure its sustainable but he's kicking the sh*t out of teams so far. A P5 OC's and DC's candidates make too much money unless they are bottom of the P5 programs.

Gillin needs to go as well, here is why. Everts never wanted Clark, Gillin listened to the players, it was good for 2 seasons, BUT incomes the Portal and NIL and Gillin refused to help the program behind the scenes in areas that needed it in the new landscape. Plus Gillin listens to Ricks and Sofield way to much - that whole incest situation needs to be removed.

Outsider as the Head Coach
New voice as the head of athletics
New Chancellor

The whole place needs a new energy!!

Entitlement has crept in from the fan base as well.

I predicted in 2015 (verbally told Randy Jackson) that after the excitement of FBS wears off App would turn into a purgatory of football like a MAC school or Marshall did, and look where we are.

I will be real interested to see if anyone can argue with that.

[AppfaninCAALand]

I’ve said for some time Gillin deserves more blame than he gets. It’s evident now. Both need to be gone.

Clark wasn't the only lazy coaching hire by Gillin in the last few years by the way. It will just take a season or two before the others in some more low profile sports are made obvious.

[311neers]

hey #TeamClark I cannot defend that comment regarding the effort, I have went as far as I can go.

Clark needed to have more say in his non conference schedule in order to coach long term and clearly he has no say in that - it partly cost Jim Fox his job and will partly cost Shawn Clark his job(he should let Kerns do his non conference scheduling honestly)

I honestly don't see any growth in Clark as a Head Coach, not sure he has gotten better in his position -
The team is failing in personnel decisions(recruiting) - failing in tackling - failing in running the ball - failing in motivating = 3 poor starts - failing in making plays on 3rd downs - failing in being the CEO of the program - Portal guys don't work at App State - it's not the foundation of the program.

Satt won with HS kids growing up at App within the program and obviously Drink inherited those kids, Clark had them for first 2 seasons, but the game has changed and traditional coaches like Clark are not use to that are NOT good with portal kids, it's just the way it is.

Need to find a guy like Curt Cignetti --- that won at different smaller places and worked his way up the ladder, look what he's doing now at Indiana, not sure its sustainable but he's kicking the sh*t out of teams so far. A P5 OC's and DC's candidates make too much money unless they are bottom of the P5 programs.

Gillin needs to go as well, here is why. Everts never wanted Clark, Gillin listened to the players, it was good for 2 seasons, BUT incomes the Portal and NIL and Gillin refused to help the program behind the scenes in areas that needed it in the new landscape. Plus Gillin listens to Ricks and Sofield way to much - that whole incest situation needs to be removed.

Outsider as the Head Coach
New voice as the head of athletics
New Chancellor

The whole place needs a new energy!!

Entitlement has crept in from the fan base as well.

I predicted in 2015 (verbally told Randy Jackson) that after the excitement of FBS wears off App would turn into a purgatory of football like a MAC school or Marshall did, and look where we are.

I will be real interested to see if anyone can argue with that.

No one will argue the above but the timing is a year or two too late. The signs were there 2 years ago. Or last year. Michael Hughes literally saved SC’s job on a prayer field goal last year.

[bcoach]

I would call Scott Saterfield and ask him who we should hire and I would hire that person.

Or just bring Satt back. He ain’t gonna last another season in Cincy anyways.

WE don't need a Sat or a drink. Neither had to build a team from scratch. We need someone to build a new team. Both those guys ( and I like Scott ) inherated succesful teams. This team is a train wreck and we need a startover.

I don’t want Scott 2.0 but he built a team. We were a declining fcs team when he took over.

But totally agree we need a refresh

I understand what you are saying but we are not declining. We are a train wreck. We are getting beat at every position.

[appdaze]

hey #TeamClark I cannot defend that comment regarding the effort, I have went as far as I can go.

Clark needed to have more say in his non conference schedule in order to coach long term and clearly he has no say in that - it partly cost Jim Fox his job and will partly cost Shawn Clark his job(he should let Kerns do his non conference scheduling honestly)

I honestly don't see any growth in Clark as a Head Coach, not sure he has gotten better in his position -
The team is failing in personnel decisions(recruiting) - failing in tackling - failing in running the ball - failing in motivating = 3 poor starts - failing in making plays on 3rd downs - failing in being the CEO of the program - Portal guys don't work at App State - it's not the foundation of the program.

Satt won with HS kids growing up at App within the program and obviously Drink inherited those kids, Clark had them for first 2 seasons, but the game has changed and traditional coaches like Clark are not use to that are NOT good with portal kids, it's just the way it is.

Need to find a guy like Curt Cignetti --- that won at different smaller places and worked his way up the ladder, look what he's doing now at Indiana, not sure its sustainable but he's kicking the sh*t out of teams so far. A P5 OC's and DC's candidates make too much money unless they are bottom of the P5 programs.

Gillin needs to go as well, here is why. Everts never wanted Clark, Gillin listened to the players, it was good for 2 seasons, BUT incomes the Portal and NIL and Gillin refused to help the program behind the scenes in areas that needed it in the new landscape. Plus Gillin listens to Ricks and Sofield way to much - that whole incest situation needs to be removed.

Outsider as the Head Coach
New voice as the head of athletics
New Chancellor

The whole place needs a new energy!!

Entitlement has crept in from the fan base as well.

I predicted in 2015 (verbally told Randy Jackson) that after the excitement of FBS wears off App would turn into a purgatory of football like a MAC school or Marshall did, and look where we are.

I will be real interested to see if anyone can argue with that.

The scheduling is just an excuse. That doesn't make up for not winning the conference in 5 years under him. Ooc games are fun and all but as a G5 they don't define our seasons as much as winning the conference. You are prepared to play anyone anywhere and go balls to the walls all the way to the end.

As far as money goes, we can absolutely afford a p5 coordinator. I already mentioned one earlier in this thread. The OC from Tennessee makes less than Clark. We can afford them. No more excuses.

We are not in purgatory yet. Yes we are in a slide but it is fixable if moves are made after this season. We were still 9-5 last year with a bowl win. That isnt purgatory. We WILL be in purgatory if this continues for the next 3-4 years.

[BallantyneApp]

hey #TeamClark I cannot defend that comment regarding the effort, I have went as far as I can go.

Clark needed to have more say in his non conference schedule in order to coach long term and clearly he has no say in that - it partly cost Jim Fox his job and will partly cost Shawn Clark his job(he should let Kerns do his non conference scheduling honestly)

I honestly don't see any growth in Clark as a Head Coach, not sure he has gotten better in his position -
The team is failing in personnel decisions(recruiting) - failing in tackling - failing in running the ball - failing in motivating = 3 poor starts - failing in making plays on 3rd downs - failing in being the CEO of the program - Portal guys don't work at App State - it's not the foundation of the program.

Satt won with HS kids growing up at App within the program and obviously Drink inherited those kids, Clark had them for first 2 seasons, but the game has changed and traditional coaches like Clark are not use to that are NOT good with portal kids, it's just the way it is.

Need to find a guy like Curt Cignetti --- that won at different smaller places and worked his way up the ladder, look what he's doing now at Indiana, not sure its sustainable but he's kicking the sh*t out of teams so far. A P5 OC's and DC's candidates make too much money unless they are bottom of the P5 programs.

Gillin needs to go as well, here is why. Everts never wanted Clark, Gillin listened to the players, it was good for 2 seasons, BUT incomes the Portal and NIL and Gillin refused to help the program behind the scenes in areas that needed it in the new landscape. Plus Gillin listens to Ricks and Sofield way to much - that whole incest situation needs to be removed.

Outsider as the Head Coach
New voice as the head of athletics
New Chancellor

The whole place needs a new energy!!

Entitlement has crept in from the fan base as well.

I predicted in 2015 (verbally told Randy Jackson) that after the excitement of FBS wears off App would turn into a purgatory of football like a MAC school or Marshall did, and look where we are.

Can someone please tell me what specifically are the complaints with the schedule? I don’t get it. Yes thev4 day turnaround isn’t ideal but Doug can’t control that we are the marquee brand (for now) in the sunbelt and ESPN is going to pick us for games. Another year or 2 of this and we won’t have to worry about being picked for Thursday night national tv games.

I simply do not accept your defeatism on Apps future. There is a place in college football for App to not be blown out by south Alabama.

We are a growing university in a growing state with a top 5 g5 fanbase. There is zero reason to resign ourselves to a Mac future

[AppDub]

If SE was still in town he probably would be packing up this morning. He will need a Bowl win to salvage another year. I don’t see six wins on the schedule based on last night.BOT meets today.

Will a bowl win be enough? We've been told since 2022 that this is THE YEAR. It's already very clear that this isn't the year. Will 7-6 be good enough when the expectations were so high heading into the season?

If those are the results, then a change will be made.

[Stonewall]

If SE was still in town he probably would be packing up this morning. He will need a Bowl win to salvage another year. I don’t see six wins on the schedule based on last night.BOT meets today.

Will a bowl win be enough? We've been told since 2022 that this is THE YEAR. It's already very clear that this isn't the year. Will 7-6 be good enough when the expectations were so high heading into the season?

Short of a donor writing the check , which could happen. Could happen today.

[311neers]

If SE was still in town he probably would be packing up this morning. He will need a Bowl win to salvage another year. I don’t see six wins on the schedule based on last night.BOT meets today.

Will a bowl win be enough? We've been told since 2022 that this is THE YEAR. It's already very clear that this isn't the year. Will 7-6 be good enough when the expectations were so high heading into the season?

Short of a donor writing the check , which could happen. Could happen today.

Stroke that check. Other programs big donors can pay $70M buyouts but we can’t pay $1M?! Take the “fully funded” Eastside dollars and buy the coach out and use those funds to find a better coach. Real simple stuff here.