Boise and 3 others to the Pac 12.

[appst89]

MWC can backfill with UTEP/NMSU from Conference USA. And then I can see them adding the Montana’s and possibly the Dakota’s. Would be a formidable conference. CUSA likely doesn’t need to replace the two they lose.

What concerns me is the current playoff format 5+7. PAC12, while maybe power in name only, will likely add UNLV & Airforce to get to 8, retain their automatic CFP bid, and shut the door on a G5 spot in the CFP.

Remarkable how close our G5 is about to look to what was 2000-ish level FCS.

I have my doubts that the new PAC gets back that autonomous tag with this new lineup.

This could change, but I heard a discussion on SXM College Sports recently that the Pac-12 still has the P designation and that they had two years to come up with something. If that is true, then they will still be a P, even though the others may not like it.

What is the criteria to remain a “Power” conference? I think that it could be a very good conference, but putting a BMW logo on a Ford doesn’t make it a BMW.

I believe that it was just within the parameters of the CFP and how teams were selected. They said that the Pac-12, which Oregon St. and Washington St. now own, retained the autonomous status and that they would have two years to revive the league.

[AppSt94]

This is a nothing burger to me. None of them are marquee programs. They won't be considered a true power conference by those that move the money. It may be a small boost to those mountain west teams, but in the coming years they will be relegated to the G5(6) level. I'd be extremely surprised if they can weasel an auto bid. This won't be landscape shifting like when the pac12 broke up.

They already have an auto bid, this conference will have that 5th conference champion spot basically on lockdown. This is hardly a nothing burger. On the good side this gets rid of Liberty embarrassing the G5 on a large stage anymore.

We have exactly 2 years now to get a playoff spot, after that it's going to be nigh on unachievable.

I’m not sure that’s the case as the 5 highest ranked conference champs get the auto, with the top 4 getting the byes. The top G5 champ still can get in and this new PAC with whoever they add isn’t going to elevate them to a loftier status. Boise is still Boise and is probably better than any of the other members on a consistent basis. But no one else is an entity that I would P5 quality.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Just heard it mentioned on the radio that after these schools switch and after a couple others to include UMass and Delaware there will have been 39 schools switch conferences within 5 years- included of course the schools to the Belt. That’s a lot.

[BallantyneApp]

This is a nothing burger to me. None of them are marquee programs. They won't be considered a true power conference by those that move the money. It may be a small boost to those mountain west teams, but in the coming years they will be relegated to the G5(6) level. I'd be extremely surprised if they can weasel an auto bid. This won't be landscape shifting like when the pac12 broke up.

They already have an auto bid, this conference will have that 5th conference champion spot basically on lockdown. This is hardly a nothing burger. On the good side this gets rid of Liberty embarrassing the G5 on a large stage anymore.

We have exactly 2 years now to get a playoff spot, after that it's going to be nigh on unachievable.

I’m not sure that’s the case as the 5 highest ranked conference champs get the auto, with the top 4 getting the byes. The top G5 champ still can get in and this new PAC with whoever they add isn’t going to elevate them to a loftier status. Boise is still Boise and is probably better than any of the other members on a consistent basis. But no one else is an entity that I would P5 quality.

If the PAC opens up the warchest more and gets Memphis and Tulane to come over they will lock up the 5th spot most years.

You'd be putting together all of the largest budgets left in the G5/6 in one conference sans USF.

[1997CLT]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... oin-pac-12

Wish they could take SMU, Stanford and Cal as well. So dumb for them to be in the ACC

[rbarthle17]

I would love to see the G5 conferences forget about the whole playoff system and break into true regional conferences. It may not work but I think it’s the best play the G5 can make. I think there is a real chance that people would move away from some of the P4 hype and really enjoy regional games.

App
CCU
JMU
Marshall
UNCC
ECU
ODU
Liberty
Wake … maybe if the ACC goes away
GSU
G-State

What has made the SBC such a breath of fresh air is they are basically that already. Same with the MWC as it was/is for the moment. You can even argue that the SEC has been that, even with the new additions it's pretty well contained.

On the whole I think that football needs to have its own conferences separate from all other sports, including basketball. Multi-state travel is manageable for 6 weekends out of the school year. But leave everything else in a local/regional setup and minimize costs. Get as creative as you like for football, without the collateral damage it does to all other sports.

[rbarthle17]

This is a nothing burger to me. None of them are marquee programs. They won't be considered a true power conference by those that move the money. It may be a small boost to those mountain west teams, but in the coming years they will be relegated to the G5(6) level. I'd be extremely surprised if they can weasel an auto bid. This won't be landscape shifting like when the pac12 broke up.

They already have an auto bid, this conference will have that 5th conference champion spot basically on lockdown. This is hardly a nothing burger. On the good side this gets rid of Liberty embarrassing the G5 on a large stage anymore.

We have exactly 2 years now to get a playoff spot, after that it's going to be nigh on unachievable.

I’m not sure that’s the case as the 5 highest ranked conference champs get the auto, with the top 4 getting the byes. The top G5 champ still can get in and this new PAC with whoever they add isn’t going to elevate them to a loftier status. Boise is still Boise and is probably better than any of the other members on a consistent basis. But no one else is an entity that I would P5 quality.

Completely and totally disagree. The MWC was already at or near the top G5 football conference as it is. Now you add two legitimate power conference schools and their bankrolls which will exceed all other G5s, and that spot will be theirs to lose each year. You think much less of OSU and WSU than I do, clearly.

The only way the rest of us have a shot at it is to go undefeated each year and hope they beat each other up. But make no mistake, any 0-2 loss team from that conference will take that bid with relative ease.

[spong]

There are rumors that the Mountain West Conference could call it quits.

I think there's a real chance the Sun Belt has a chance to pick up some of the remaining MWC schools like New Mexico, Colorado State, or Wyoming (the schools that KIND OF makes sense geographically).

[ASUTodd]

There are rumors that the Mountain West Conference could call it quits.

I think there's a real chance the Sun Belt has a chance to pick up some of the remaining MWC schools like New Mexico, Colorado State, or Wyoming (the schools that KIND OF makes sense geographically).

Colorado St is going to the PAC12.

[AppWyo]

Well this is the first shoe to drop related to this one...More teams will be added...gives good mwc teams a chance at new conference leaving the not so good programs in mwc behind..
A little bit of risk ..but I think it is a good move. If ACC blows up, who knows where the two West coast teams move...may not be back to PAC ..but you never know

Colorado State is not a good team...https://www.winsipedia.com/colorado-state

[Black Saturday]

Cal and Stanford don’t align academically with these schools. I can’t see them going back

What the hell are you talking about aligning academically, we have Georgia Southern in our conference.

[Bootsy]

Sorry, but this move by the PAC-[insert # here] to add Boise et al is a big nothingburger.

[BambooRdApp]

Well this is the first shoe to drop related to this one...More teams will be added...gives good mwc teams a chance at new conference leaving the not so good programs in mwc behind..
A little bit of risk ..but I think it is a good move. If ACC blows up, who knows where the two West coast teams move...may not be back to PAC ..but you never know

Colorado State is not a good team...https://www.winsipedia.com/colorado-state

That is true...but gives presence in Colorado

[AppSt94]

This is a nothing burger to me. None of them are marquee programs. They won't be considered a true power conference by those that move the money. It may be a small boost to those mountain west teams, but in the coming years they will be relegated to the G5(6) level. I'd be extremely surprised if they can weasel an auto bid. This won't be landscape shifting like when the pac12 broke up.

They already have an auto bid, this conference will have that 5th conference champion spot basically on lockdown. This is hardly a nothing burger. On the good side this gets rid of Liberty embarrassing the G5 on a large stage anymore.

We have exactly 2 years now to get a playoff spot, after that it's going to be nigh on unachievable.

I’m not sure that’s the case as the 5 highest ranked conference champs get the auto, with the top 4 getting the byes. The top G5 champ still can get in and this new PAC with whoever they add isn’t going to elevate them to a loftier status. Boise is still Boise and is probably better than any of the other members on a consistent basis. But no one else is an entity that I would P5 quality.

Completely and totally disagree. The MWC was already at or near the top G5 football conference as it is. Now you add two legitimate power conference schools and their bankrolls which will exceed all other G5s, and that spot will be theirs to lose each year. You think much less of OSU and WSU than I do, clearly.

The only way the rest of us have a shot at it is to go undefeated each year and hope they beat each other up. But make no mistake, any 0-2 loss team from that conference will take that bid with relative ease.

To be completely honest, it is way too early to draw any conclusions one way or another.

[asunate]

This is a nothing burger to me. None of them are marquee programs. They won't be considered a true power conference by those that move the money. It may be a small boost to those mountain west teams, but in the coming years they will be relegated to the G5(6) level. I'd be extremely surprised if they can weasel an auto bid. This won't be landscape shifting like when the pac12 broke up.

They already have an auto bid, this conference will have that 5th conference champion spot basically on lockdown. This is hardly a nothing burger. On the good side this gets rid of Liberty embarrassing the G5 on a large stage anymore.

We have exactly 2 years now to get a playoff spot, after that it's going to be nigh on unachievable.

I’m not sure that’s the case as the 5 highest ranked conference champs get the auto, with the top 4 getting the byes. The top G5 champ still can get in and this new PAC with whoever they add isn’t going to elevate them to a loftier status. Boise is still Boise and is probably better than any of the other members on a consistent basis. But no one else is an entity that I would P5 quality.

Completely and totally disagree. The MWC was already at or near the top G5 football conference as it is. Now you add two legitimate power conference schools and their bankrolls which will exceed all other G5s, and that spot will be theirs to lose each year. You think much less of OSU and WSU than I do, clearly.

The only way the rest of us have a shot at it is to go undefeated each year and hope they beat each other up. But make no mistake, any 0-2 loss team from that conference will take that bid with relative ease.

Absolutely correct. The current CFP is 5 highest ranked conf champs. The new Pac12 will have the distinction of "best of the G5" out of the gate. Whether that holds on the field, time will tell. But as of Sept 2024, the path to CFP for the existing G5 conferences just got tougher.

[t4pizza]

There are rumors that the Mountain West Conference could call it quits.

I think there's a real chance the Sun Belt has a chance to pick up some of the remaining MWC schools like New Mexico, Colorado State, or Wyoming (the schools that KIND OF makes sense geographically).

How do any of those schools makes sense geographically? We actually already got rid of a school from New Mexico and one from Idaho because they did not make sense geographically. No thanks to the idea of picking up the schools you mentioned. No interest at all from me.

[AppStFan1]

MWC can backfill with UTEP/NMSU from Conference USA. And then I can see them adding the Montana’s and possibly the Dakota’s. Would be a formidable conference. CUSA likely doesn’t need to replace the two they lose.

What concerns me is the current playoff format 5+7. PAC12, while maybe power in name only, will likely add UNLV & Airforce to get to 8, retain their automatic CFP bid, and shut the door on a G5 spot in the CFP.

Remarkable how close our G5 is about to look to what was 2000-ish level FCS.

I have my doubts that the new PAC gets back that autonomous tag with this new lineup.

Feeling the same way. Wonder what most here would think if something like this happened. Would you like a situation where App and 7 other schools get together and propose an east division to be added to PAC12 and they add 2 more from the west to have an E vs W title game and be the 5th bid?

I bet 70-80% of G5 now are teams who were I-AA/FCS in the 90s or have started a team since then. Majority of SBC, CUSA, and some of the AAC, PAC12, and MWC were I-AA/FCS at one point.

[AppStFan1]

This is a nothing burger to me. None of them are marquee programs. They won't be considered a true power conference by those that move the money. It may be a small boost to those mountain west teams, but in the coming years they will be relegated to the G5(6) level. I'd be extremely surprised if they can weasel an auto bid. This won't be landscape shifting like when the pac12 broke up.

They already have an auto bid, this conference will have that 5th conference champion spot basically on lockdown. This is hardly a nothing burger. On the good side this gets rid of Liberty embarrassing the G5 on a large stage anymore.

We have exactly 2 years now to get a playoff spot, after that it's going to be nigh on unachievable.

I’m not sure that’s the case as the 5 highest ranked conference champs get the auto, with the top 4 getting the byes. The top G5 champ still can get in and this new PAC with whoever they add isn’t going to elevate them to a loftier status. Boise is still Boise and is probably better than any of the other members on a consistent basis. But no one else is an entity that I would P5 quality.

Completely and totally disagree. The MWC was already at or near the top G5 football conference as it is. Now you add two legitimate power conference schools and their bankrolls which will exceed all other G5s, and that spot will be theirs to lose each year. You think much less of OSU and WSU than I do, clearly.

The only way the rest of us have a shot at it is to go undefeated each year and hope they beat each other up. But make no mistake, any 0-2 loss team from that conference will take that bid with relative ease.

To be completely honest, it is way too early to draw any conclusions one way or another.

Agreed. App and a few SBC schools could currently be working on an alliance with some AAC schools or even PAC12 schools to merge and form a really good league. If it is big enough and you have a full east so we only go out west for 1 game in regular season or for conference title game it could be a really good situation for us. There are a lot of dominoes to fall. I think we will see more moves over the next 15-18 months.

[ah59396]

Sorry, but this move by the PAC-[insert # here] to add Boise et al is a big nothingburger.

A two-loss Washington State/Oregon State/Boise State in the zombie PAC12 is gonna get CFP preference over a one-loss SBC/AAC/MAC team every time. And probably over an undefeated CUSA team.

Especially if they go snag Tulane and Memphis.

Perception wise It’ll be:

BIG/SEC


BIG12/ACC


PAC12

AAC/SUN BELT
MAC

CUSA

[Bigdaddyg1]

They already have an auto bid, this conference will have that 5th conference champion spot basically on lockdown. This is hardly a nothing burger. On the good side this gets rid of Liberty embarrassing the G5 on a large stage anymore.

We have exactly 2 years now to get a playoff spot, after that it's going to be nigh on unachievable.

I’m not sure that’s the case as the 5 highest ranked conference champs get the auto, with the top 4 getting the byes. The top G5 champ still can get in and this new PAC with whoever they add isn’t going to elevate them to a loftier status. Boise is still Boise and is probably better than any of the other members on a consistent basis. But no one else is an entity that I would P5 quality.

Completely and totally disagree. The MWC was already at or near the top G5 football conference as it is. Now you add two legitimate power conference schools and their bankrolls which will exceed all other G5s, and that spot will be theirs to lose each year. You think much less of OSU and WSU than I do, clearly.

The only way the rest of us have a shot at it is to go undefeated each year and hope they beat each other up. But make no mistake, any 0-2 loss team from that conference will take that bid with relative ease.

To be completely honest, it is way too early to draw any conclusions one way or another.

Agreed. App and a few SBC schools could currently be working on an alliance with some AAC schools or even PAC12 schools to merge and form a really good league. If it is big enough and you have a full east so we only go out west for 1 game in regular season or for conference title game it could be a really good situation for us. There are a lot of dominoes to fall. I think we will see more moves over the next 15-18 months.

You could theoretically take the top 6 Belt and top 6 AAC schools and easily rival whatever the new PAC 12 is. Question is would App make that top 6? We don’t bring the TV piece and just because we see ourselves at a certain level the powers that be might not. JMU, Marshall, Coastal, a Ga team and maybe La would get serious consideration considering the footprint. I would hate for us to get relegated to a glorified FCS again.