ETSU Game Thread and discussion

[AppStateMoney]

I clicked on a couple of other plus games so I assume they are done the same way? Do other schools use their own crews? Liberty had I believe 3 guys on a sideline set. No idea how good or bad their production was. You would think that we would set up cameras way ahead of time, practice a good bit with switching shots, zooming in, etc. It was as if we took student volunteers from the crowd and let them control the cameras.

I worked with the student ESPN+ crew during 2018-2022. The camera quality has gone up exponentially, which is nice. Too bad somebody forgot to turn on the scoreboard for half the game. That student crew is high pressure and run by a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds. Unfortunately, it is what it is.

[Mjohn1988]

Didn’t read many of the post. I was at the game. Not impressed with either line, O or D.

Keep in mind we had a starting DE and starting NT on limited reps yesterday, and Hopper didn't play at all. Add in Kelly missing some snaps after getting dinged and we were getting a bit thin on DL.

OL has four new starters so it'll take a bit of time for them to play as a unit. We still had 500 yards of offense despite doing basically nothing for the 2nd quarter.

I get it but I still want to see us be able to push an FCS team around.

[Black Saturday]

Didn’t read many of the post. I was at the game. Not impressed with either line, O or D.

Keep in mind we had a starting DE and starting NT on limited reps yesterday, and Hopper didn't play at all. Add in Kelly missing some snaps after getting dinged and we were getting a bit thin on DL.

OL has four new starters so it'll take a bit of time for them to play as a unit. We still had 500 yards of offense despite doing basically nothing for the 2nd quarter.

I get it but I still want to see us be able to push an FCS team around.

Where was Stroman yesterday, did he swing a helmet too?

[Bootsy]

Keep in mind that

• We have a bunch of new faces on the O-Line

• Blocking schemes for running plays & pass protection are two very different animals

It takes time for a new group of bulls to get into sync. It’s a process; give it some time.

[AppSt94]

Didn’t read many of the post. I was at the game. Not impressed with either line, O or D.

Keep in mind we had a starting DE and starting NT on limited reps yesterday, and Hopper didn't play at all. Add in Kelly missing some snaps after getting dinged and we were getting a bit thin on DL.

OL has four new starters so it'll take a bit of time for them to play as a unit. We still had 500 yards of offense despite doing basically nothing for the 2nd quarter.

I get it but I still want to see us be able to push an FCS team around.

What does that look like?

[311neers]

Clemson is not good. They got dawg walked today without UGA 1 and 2 RB. Klubnik is trash and their best WR is a 3* that we recruited. We have a chance if we can spread them out and attack the secondary. Running the ball will be tough.

I'm guessing they are a 2 TD favorite against us? Clemson didn't look good because they played the best team in the land.

And so will stopping Clemson's run. - we have a chance if we can limit their run

If we can stop the run we have a shot. Georgia only had 1 sack all game and forced a late turnover. Held Clemson to 135 yards (until the last garbage drive) by stopping the run and forcing Cade and their young WR to beat them. Can’t wait for Saturday! 1-0

[311neers]

Couldn’t listen to broadcast but did they say if Hopper would return next week for Clemson? It would be very nice to have him back for that!

[Bigdaddyg1]

Didn’t read many of the post. I was at the game. Not impressed with either line, O or D.

Keep in mind we had a starting DE and starting NT on limited reps yesterday, and Hopper didn't play at all. Add in Kelly missing some snaps after getting dinged and we were getting a bit thin on DL.

OL has four new starters so it'll take a bit of time for them to play as a unit. We still had 500 yards of offense despite doing basically nothing for the 2nd quarter.

I get it but I still want to see us be able to push an FCS team around.

Where was Stroman yesterday, did he swing a helmet too?

I thought about him as well. He seems to have games where he doesn’t play.

[Saint3333]

I’m glad we had ETSU week one. In the transfer portal era getting an FCS opponent week one should be a priority.

[AppSt94]

Why are we so hell bent on rotating running backs the way we do. Stick with a hot hand.

Because the season is a marathon, not a sprint. All four are capable of being the bell cow, but there is no need for excessive wear and tear on one guy. Especially this early in the season. If we didn’t have a capable #2 or #3 that was capable of carrying the load then sure. There just isn’t a need to rely on one guy.

[311neers]

Why are we so hell bent on rotating running backs the way we do. Stick with a hot hand.

Because the season is a marathon, not a sprint. All four are capable of being the bell cow, but there is no need for excessive wear and tear on one guy. Especially this early in the season. If we didn’t have a capable #2 or #3 that was capable of carrying the load then sure. There just isn’t a need to rely on one guy.

Getting the RB’s involved in the passing game is fun. Will have to go back and watch the backfield passing attack, but Kanye with 4 catches! Do more of that.

[app97]

I clicked on a couple of other plus games so I assume they are done the same way? Do other schools use their own crews? Liberty had I believe 3 guys on a sideline set. No idea how good or bad their production was. You would think that we would set up cameras way ahead of time, practice a good bit with switching shots, zooming in, etc. It was as if we took student volunteers from the crowd and let them control the cameras.

I worked with the student ESPN+ crew during 2018-2022. The camera quality has gone up exponentially, which is nice. Too bad somebody forgot to turn on the scoreboard for half the game. That student crew is high pressure and run by a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds. Unfortunately, it is what it is.

I ran a high school production program for years, with 15-16 year olds serving as camera ops, audio, graphics, replay, etc. I served as director and tech director, not only switching cameras, calling the shots, but talking the student crew through the game, and anticipating scenarios so that the kids would be able to do the same. Whomever is on the crew needs to watch some quality football productions from the point of view of director and camera op instead of only for entertainment. There’s a formula for what to show and when to show it. The first step might involve the director telling the main camera op to slowly zoom in to create subtle motion and so we can actually see the players’ numbers. There should never really be static shots from a wide cam unless it’s for a graphic overlay. There has to be constant communication from director to crew and lots of anticipation, thinking on feet. Not sure how many paid adults are involved with the production, but it needs to be better for a viewing audience who is using a paid subscription service.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Hard to imagine having a 1,000 yard guy this season especially with 4 capable backs. We don’t watch practice but generally speaking I don’t see a world of difference between any of the 4. Maybe in camp and practice they are all so similar that’s it’s only fair to share the ball. It would have been nice to see one guy get about 90ish yards but we should have a few of those 280 yard type games with 2 or 3 piling up good stats.

[AppStateMoney]

I clicked on a couple of other plus games so I assume they are done the same way? Do other schools use their own crews? Liberty had I believe 3 guys on a sideline set. No idea how good or bad their production was. You would think that we would set up cameras way ahead of time, practice a good bit with switching shots, zooming in, etc. It was as if we took student volunteers from the crowd and let them control the cameras.

I worked with the student ESPN+ crew during 2018-2022. The camera quality has gone up exponentially, which is nice. Too bad somebody forgot to turn on the scoreboard for half the game. That student crew is high pressure and run by a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds. Unfortunately, it is what it is.

I ran a high school production program for years, with 15-16 year olds serving as camera ops, audio, graphics, replay, etc. I served as director and tech director, not only switching cameras, calling the shots, but talking the student crew through the game, and anticipating scenarios so that the kids would be able to do the same. Whomever is on the crew needs to watch some quality football productions from the point of view of director and camera op instead of only for entertainment. There’s a formula for what to show and when to show it. The first step might involve the director telling the main camera op to slowly zoom in to create subtle motion and so we can actually see the players’ numbers. There should never really be static shots from a wide cam unless it’s for a graphic overlay. There has to be constant communication from director to crew and lots of anticipation, thinking on feet. Not sure how many paid adults are involved with the production, but it needs to be better for a viewing audience who is using a paid subscription service.

We had an incredible director and AD during my time, they have both since left. I believe it is being run by a solo director as of now. There used to be a broadcast major to ESPN+ crew pipeline, however that slowly started to skew with people who just wanted to try something different and had no real knowledge of the craft. It’s too bad because that kind of opportunity is rare and can create long careers in broadcasting, if done right.

[Mjohn1988]

Didn’t read many of the post. I was at the game. Not impressed with either line, O or D.

Keep in mind we had a starting DE and starting NT on limited reps yesterday, and Hopper didn't play at all. Add in Kelly missing some snaps after getting dinged and we were getting a bit thin on DL.

OL has four new starters so it'll take a bit of time for them to play as a unit. We still had 500 yards of offense despite doing basically nothing for the 2nd quarter.

I get it but I still want to see us be able to push an FCS team around.

What does that look like?

You are never going to agree with any negative critique of the O line. So I’m not even going to try to explain.

[AppSt94]

Didn’t read many of the post. I was at the game. Not impressed with either line, O or D.

Keep in mind we had a starting DE and starting NT on limited reps yesterday, and Hopper didn't play at all. Add in Kelly missing some snaps after getting dinged and we were getting a bit thin on DL.

OL has four new starters so it'll take a bit of time for them to play as a unit. We still had 500 yards of offense despite doing basically nothing for the 2nd quarter.

I get it but I still want to see us be able to push an FCS team around.

What does that look like?

You are never going to agree with any negative critique of the O line. So I’m not even going to try to explain.

So you aren’t interested in a different perspective. Got it.

[Yosef84]

I was kind of dreading reading this thread after watching the game. Honestly, it's not as bad as I expected. Most comments are pretty reasonable. Regarding the broadcast, it was very bad and sure hope they have the down/yardage graphic back next game. I'll cut them slack as a game #1 for a new crew, but wow.

The final result was about where I expected and there is reason for optimisim, but plenty of work left to do. I hoped the new OL would push around the Bucs more than they did, but given the Bucs credit for playing a decent game. The OL will continue to improve and hopefully, the running game along with it. Joey went cold for a quarter, but after a bad first possession in the 2nd half, the offense found its rhythm and moved the ball consistently. If we had played that way for 4 quarters, we would have more than covered. We will need a better running game next week. Can't be 1 dimensional against Clemson.

I thought the D looked slow at times also, but I think it was more them being out of position. Again, game #1 with new faces. Played pretty well overall minus one busted play.

Contrary to what I read above, being whipped by Georgia is NOT an indicator that Clemson is "bad". Georgia always has an extremely stout D and yes, they shut down the Clemson Offense. I think App can keep them from running up and down the field, but they will score some next week. The Clemson D worries me. They held Georgia to 6 points in the first half. That said, Georgia played pretty vanilla in the first half. In the second half, Georgia incorporated more misdirection and the passing game opened up. Once the passing game opened, Clemson had to adjust which allowed Frazer to start picking up more yards. App cannot line up and try to just knock heads with Clemson but I do think we have enough weapons to move the ball if we don't telegraph the plays.

I really like that we threw to the RBs yesterday. I see Castle being in the backfield for passing situations pretty regularly because he can block and it appears he has really improved his catching game so he becomes an outlet pass. That could save some drives this season.

I still can't wait till next week. I married into a Clemson family, so even though she's adopted App as well, my wife will be in orange, while I'll be in black (of course). GO APPS!!!

[appgrad95&97]

That was a soild win and a good way to start the season.

[Yosef84]

We are 1-0. Most improvement in any season is between game 1 and game 2 (traditional wisdom at least).

Plenty of room to improve and no reason to expect it not to happen this year. These P5 transfers are looking for a chance to prove themselves and Clemson is EXACTLY what they are looking for. The team will be hyper focused.

Not saying they were not focused yesterday, but the reality is that it IS difficult to get super pumped up when you're favored by 34 points.

[AppSt94]

I feel like the ETSU coaches took advantage of our inexperienced OL by moving the fronts late. A lot of shifting that prevented adjustments.