Worst loss in the history of Appalachian football

[kickass143]

Tough loss Saturday. We were totally DOMINATED in all facets of the game. Thanks to the fans that were able to come to The Rock Saturday and support our squad and coaching staff throughout what was mostly a difficult game to watch. We had two "newbies" in our group that had a great time taking in the ASU game day experience so I did draw some positives from the day. Saturday is done. Can't wait to get to Chattanooga and watch our team bounce back. Hope to see them play with focus and purpose with NO sense of entitlement. I guarantee The Mocs will be ready. Go Apps!

[hapapp]

but I'm living in the real world

I get your point, and I don't know anyone who wasn't upset about Saturday's performance and worried about what comes next. However, we are talking football here. Those of us who obsess over the game and spend hours on this board are probably not operating in the real world. At least, that's the word I get from my wife when I get too worked up over a loss.

[ASUMountaineer]

I think you need to chill . Why should we have beat Villanova and Maine? Do other teams not have good players too? In your mind we should never lose. Complete homer. Great first post!

In my mind, we should never be blown out. At home especially. In my mind, our team, should be competative in every FCS game, bar none.

How many times now have we been DOMINATED, at home in the past 3-4 years? Not just lost, but DOMINATED.

I can take a loss or two, but what I cannot sit quietly for, is being DOMINATED, and made to look less than average, AT HOME, especially when we have the players to compete. We've put 2-3 players in the NFL on average for the past half a decade. Our team is blessed with the resources that dwarf a school like The Citadel, yet are consistantly inconsistant.

I grumble, I complain, it may not make the team perform better, but it makes me feel better. After the time, effort, money, heart and everything else Ive given for App, I feel Ive earned the right to ask the question "What the hell is going on?!"

I should be able to "like" this thing about 100 times. I was actually standing in the student section yesterday complaining about the effort when I got yelled at for complaining. It must be easy to be unconditionally supportive with no ticket money, gas money, etc. on the line, but I'm living in the real world. I want some answers for Saturday, not just "coach speak."

I donate a lot of money, and spend a lot of money to enjoy at least 6 fall Saturday's in Boone each year. I don't find it difficult to be unconditionally supportive because it's just a game. Life's too short to get so worked up about a football game. I don't want "answers" for the loss, that's Cobb's job in evaluating his employees. It's my job to not let my source of entertainment taint my view of my alma mater and avoid getting depressed over things that aren't really that important. I looked at my 1-month old after the game and realized that there are much more important things to stress over.

Trust me, it will all be ok.

[hbk999]

No arguing that this is a bad loss and possibly the worst in ASU football history, but a couple of quick points:
1) This wasn't some D2 team or a bad SoCon team; El Cid is a legit team this year, and from the last two weeks appearance a contender to be in Frisco.
2) A good rule of thumb is you're probably never as good as you think you are, OR as bad as you think you are. The last two weeks are probably a fantastic example of this.
3) As an FSU fan, I think the Bowden comparison is a little extreme. FSU had players constantly in trouble and had not been to a relevant bowl game in years. The recruiting was not up to par. He would not make changes in staffing until he was forced to replace his son with Jimbo Fisher. All indications are that Moore made all the staffing changes on his own, and our recruiting and fan support has not taken a hit in the last few years.
4) It may feel like a lost season, important to remember that this was one game. As bad an AW as that was, this team still has the chance to be good and I honestly felt like the players (on the defensive side at least) were put in a position to make plays and simply did not do that.

[App90]

I dont know if its really going to be ok....ASU has changed up the coaching staff by replacing 7 coaches . And the same plays are being called over and over and over again for the past 4 years. still to this day. Last week they run an up the middle read run zone call on 3rd and 20, then when ASU needs 9 yards they throw the ball for 4 yards. I could go on and on and on ,I am not advocating for any one to be fired. Im asking if every one sees the same pattern. Because it is troubling, to the point thtt every one knows what ASU is going to do. How can the coaching staff say they cant draw up new plays in a 4 year span. This play calling has Coach Moore stamped all over it. Ultimately it is the responsibilty of the head coach to continue the success, and yes 6 SoCon titles is impressive, but going forward may be a very painful journey.
Yes the sun rose the next the morning, yes these are college kids who make mistakes on the field, yes ASU will have bad seasons. But one thing has stood true, even if the Asst Coaches have been changed the same plays are being run, and the same set formations are coming in. And that is what is so disheartening too watch., not changing equals failure....

[goapps93]

I dont know if its really going to be ok....ASU has changed up the coaching staff by replacing 7 coaches . And the same plays are being called over and over and over again for the past 4 years. still to this day. Last week they run an up the middle read run zone call on 3rd and 20, then when ASU needs 9 yards they throw the ball for 4 yards. I could go on and on and on ,I am not advocating for any one to be fired. Im asking if every one sees the same pattern. Because it is troubling, to the point thtt every one knows what ASU is going to do. How can the coaching staff say they cant draw up new plays in a 4 year span. This play calling has Coach Moore stamped all over it. Ultimately it is the responsibilty of the head coach to continue the success, and yes 6 SoCon titles is impressive, but going forward may be a very painful journey.
Yes the sun rose the next the morning, yes these are college kids who make mistakes on the field, yes ASU will have bad seasons. But one thing has stood true, even if the Asst Coaches have been changed the same plays are being run, and the same set formations are coming in. And that is what is so disheartening too watch., not changing equals failure....

I'm still holding out hope that all will be ok now that I've had a couple of days to cool off. As far as the play calling goes I agree it looks the same but I also wonder if maybe JJ isn't making a correct read when he leaves to ball in Miller's gut. It doesn't appear to me that he's even looking to pull it and run. That is what set Armanti apart, he could pull the ball and run. There doesn't appear to be much of an "option" to the read option. Now, sure, this could be coaching, and I think it was prior to Scott's return, so I'm still giving the benefit of the doubt at this point and am thinking Scott's having to take a little more time to right some wrongs. I just don't think it's as much playcalling as it is execution. We must remember that the coaches only call the plays, the players have to execute. And in our offense, whether it's a pass play or run play, there is more than one option every time. Even Brownie has commented that Jackson has stared down receivers. I really think we're still a work in progress.

[Appsolutely]

From a previous poster: "If it wasn't for the Samaritan Purse, HE (yes, believe it or not) would have been gone in December with all the other deadbeat coaches."

I have heard this many times, from many different sources. What is the story here? Does the Samaritan's Purse really have that much input into our coaching situation?

[Rekdiver]

Step away from the ledge...........it's one game in one season. Since 1969 I've been up to the mountain and down several times. as has the program. Nothing sustains a straight up trend withough some bumps. We are in a very good place for the next leg up. May not be this year but I feel better than I did last year.

[ASUMountaineer]

I dont know if its really going to be ok....ASU has changed up the coaching staff by replacing 7 coaches . And the same plays are being called over and over and over again for the past 4 years. still to this day. Last week they run an up the middle read run zone call on 3rd and 20, then when ASU needs 9 yards they throw the ball for 4 yards. I could go on and on and on ,I am not advocating for any one to be fired. Im asking if every one sees the same pattern. Because it is troubling, to the point thtt every one knows what ASU is going to do. How can the coaching staff say they cant draw up new plays in a 4 year span. This play calling has Coach Moore stamped all over it. Ultimately it is the responsibilty of the head coach to continue the success, and yes 6 SoCon titles is impressive, but going forward may be a very painful journey.
Yes the sun rose the next the morning, yes these are college kids who make mistakes on the field, yes ASU will have bad seasons. But one thing has stood true, even if the Asst Coaches have been changed the same plays are being run, and the same set formations are coming in. And that is what is so disheartening too watch., not changing equals failure....

Well, my comment about it being ok was a general statement in regards to the world not ending over a football loss. I think the team will get it worked out. I know a lot of people had high hopes for the season, but with the turnover we've had it's tough (as you stated). Many said this could be like 2005...it could also be like 2004. The season is young, and so is our team. We as fans need to push forward with support for the team/school and take solace in the fact that it's still great to be a Mountaineer! Call me a RAH RAH fan, and I'll wear the label proudly. Go APPS!

[philponder]

Some of you people need a little reality training in the jungles of Cambodia. I mean that in a good way.

[HappyHippie]

I think you need to chill . Why should we have beat Villanova and Maine? Do other teams not have good players too? In your mind we should never lose. Complete homer. Great first post!

In my mind, we should never be blown out. At home especially. In my mind, our team, should be competative in every FCS game, bar none.

How many times now have we been DOMINATED, at home in the past 3-4 years?[/b] Not just lost, but DOMINATED.

I can take a loss or two, but what I cannot sit quietly for, is being DOMINATED, and made to look less than average, AT HOME, especially when we have the players to compete. We've put 2-3 players in the NFL on average for the past half a decade. Our team is blessed with the resources that dwarf a school like The Citadel, yet are consistantly inconsistant.

I grumble, I complain, it may not make the team perform better, but it makes me feel better. After the time, effort, money, heart and everything else Ive given for App, I feel Ive earned the right to ask the question "What the hell is going on?!"

2009 - McNeese 40-35
2010 - Villanova 42-24 (Defending Champs)
2011 - Maine 34-12 (CAA Champs)
2012 - Citadel 52-28

[AppAlum1]

Wake up App Nation, its time for some changes... NOW!

OK ... I suggest we change obnoxious fans. You first.

[GlassOnion]

2009 - McNeese 40-35
2010 - Villanova 42-24 (Defending Champs)
2011 - Maine 34-12 (CAA Champs)
2012 - Citadel 52-28

And what exactly is your point?

That we're allowed to get blown out at home by good FCS teams? Embarrassed, laughed off the field?
We get the HUGE benefit of playing at KBS, and lose HUGE, and somehow its just because the other team was good?

NEWSFLASH!
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE A TOP 5 FCS PROGRAM.
That is why we spend the big bucks on football!

Want to compare what all 4 of those teams have to work with compared to ours?

We got blown out, AT HOME to teams that average a FRACTION of the fan support we do.

IF THESE TEAMS ARE OUR COMPETATIVE PEERS, YOU DO NOT GET BLOWN OUT BY YOUR PEERS, AND CERTAINLY NOT AT HOME.

To try to spin this off as normal, is idiocy.

[JCline0429]

having been in Conrad/Kidd Brewer Stadium every season since 1973 what I saw yesterday was the most embarrasing, unprepared, pathetic, lack of coaching, lack of effort I have ever witnessed. We lost to THE CITADEL and gave up 618 yards, a Citadel offensive record! If they hadnt emptied the bench in the second half it would have been 83-7. The team wouldnt have looked worse if the coaches were at home and you randomly picked fans to coach. After two straight playoff losses to teams we should have beat, combined with the total loss of the team last season and apparently yesterday too it is past time for a coaching change! Moore cant seem to motivate any longer. The play calling is far too conservative considering our athletes ( Travaris Cadet is being utilized more in the NFL than at App). He cant seem to consistently figure out the triple option even though he sees it three times a year for the last 24 seasons at App. Its time to build a statue, name something for him, thank him for his contributions and championships, and show him the door before we get into a Bobby Bowden situation.

This is a rebuilding year with wholesale coaching staff replacements. We have little depth and a lot of inexperienced players.

[hapapp]

It has been pointed out and most of us are fully aware, but this is a young team, the youngest we have perhaps ever fielded. We have quite a few players who are making their first meaningful contributions to the squad. We have had some crippling injuries, suspensions, and expulsions from the team. This, I believe, has played and will continue to play a role this season. That's not meant to excuse anything but to overlook those factors dodges a bit of the reality of where we are.

It think it is time for a change at the top but to point fingers at the HC about the play calling or all the deficiencies that we observe is pretty simplistic. I'm convinced some of you will blame him when he is dead and gone. Having coached (not football) for 28 years, I can attest that a coach gets too much credit for a team's success and too much blame when a team loses. Obviously, good coaches achieve more of the former than the latter and certainly that marks Jerry Moore's tenure at ASU. Unfortunately, sometimes when someone has done something for so long that they enjoy it is hard to walk away from it. I do hope that Jerry comes to the realization that time is approaching.

[HappyHippie]

2009 - McNeese 40-35
2010 - Villanova 42-24 (Defending Champs)
2011 - Maine 34-12 (CAA Champs)
2012 - Citadel 52-28

And what exactly is your point?

That we're allowed to get blown out at home by good FCS teams? Embarrassed, laughed off the field?
We get the HUGE benefit of playing at KBS, and lose HUGE, and somehow its just because the other team was good?

NEWSFLASH!
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE A TOP 5 FCS PROGRAM.
That is why we spend the big bucks on football!

Want to compare what all 4 of those teams have to work with compared to ours?

We got blown out, AT HOME to teams that average a FRACTION of the fan support we do.

IF THESE TEAMS ARE OUR COMPETATIVE PEERS, YOU DO NOT GET BLOWN OUT BY YOUR PEERS, AND CERTAINLY NOT AT HOME.

To try to spin this off as normal, is idiocy.

No spin - just facts.

[JTApps1]

No arguing that this is a bad loss and possibly the worst in ASU football history, but a couple of quick points:
1) This wasn't some D2 team or a bad SoCon team; El Cid is a legit team this year, and from the last two weeks appearance a contender to be in Frisco.
2) A good rule of thumb is you're probably never as good as you think you are, OR as bad as you think you are. The last two weeks are probably a fantastic example of this.
3) As an FSU fan, I think the Bowden comparison is a little extreme. FSU had players constantly in trouble and had not been to a relevant bowl game in years. The recruiting was not up to par. He would not make changes in staffing until he was forced to replace his son with Jimbo Fisher. All indications are that Moore made all the staffing changes on his own, and our recruiting and fan support has not taken a hit in the last few years.
4) It may feel like a lost season, important to remember that this was one game. As bad an AW as that was, this team still has the chance to be good and I honestly felt like the players (on the defensive side at least) were put in a position to make plays and simply did not do that.

I've got to reply to your points on this one:

1) Agreed The Citadel is much improved and better than most are giving them credit for

3) Have you not read the articles the past two seasons talking about players involved in rape, getting a DUI, getting in fights, and breaking other rules? We've had 9 players either suspended or kicked off the team for these actions. Also, Jerry was forced to fire his son (and McClain) just as Bobby was. If you believe anything else you're dreaming.

4) Poor defense was due to young (and 1 very slow Safety) players not making plays. jones has to figure out a way to get these guys on track.

[JCline0429]

It has been pointed out and most of us are fully aware, but this is a young team, the youngest we have perhaps ever fielded. We have quite a few players who are making their first meaningful contributions to the squad. We have had some crippling injuries, suspensions, and expulsions from the team. This, I believe, has played and will continue to play a role this season. That's not meant to excuse anything but to overlook those factors dodges a bit of the reality of where we are.

It think it is time for a change at the top but to point fingers at the HC about the play calling or all the deficiencies that we observe is pretty simplistic. I'm convinced some of you will blame him when he is dead and gone. Having coached (not football) for 28 years, I can attest that a coach gets too much credit for a team's success and too much blame when a team loses. Obviously, good coaches achieve more of the former than the latter and certainly that marks Jerry Moore's tenure at ASU. Unfortunately, sometimes when someone has done something for so long that they enjoy it is hard to walk away from it. I do hope that Jerry comes to the realization that time is approaching.

Even if we end up with a losing season and we fire Moore, we'll be the laughing stock of the nation.

[hbk999]

No arguing that this is a bad loss and possibly the worst in ASU football history, but a couple of quick points:
1) This wasn't some D2 team or a bad SoCon team; El Cid is a legit team this year, and from the last two weeks appearance a contender to be in Frisco.
2) A good rule of thumb is you're probably never as good as you think you are, OR as bad as you think you are. The last two weeks are probably a fantastic example of this.
3) As an FSU fan, I think the Bowden comparison is a little extreme. FSU had players constantly in trouble and had not been to a relevant bowl game in years. The recruiting was not up to par. He would not make changes in staffing until he was forced to replace his son with Jimbo Fisher. All indications are that Moore made all the staffing changes on his own, and our recruiting and fan support has not taken a hit in the last few years.
4) It may feel like a lost season, important to remember that this was one game. As bad an AW as that was, this team still has the chance to be good and I honestly felt like the players (on the defensive side at least) were put in a position to make plays and simply did not do that.

I've got to reply to your points on this one:

1) Agreed The Citadel is much improved and better than most are giving them credit for

3) Have you not read the articles the past two seasons talking about players involved in rape, getting a DUI, getting in fights, and breaking other rules? We've had 9 players either suspended or kicked off the team for these actions. Also, Jerry was forced to fire his son (and McClain) just as Bobby was. If you believe anything else you're dreaming.

4) Poor defense was due to young (and 1 very slow Safety) players not making plays. jones has to figure out a way to get these guys on track.

The biggest difference in the player misconduct is that it has been punished and for the most part, not tolerated by ASU. Bowden gave kids chance after chance after chance and lost any semblance of discipline. Honestly, the fact that Moore let Price and Lott play against Montana and picked and chose which games they could play troubled me instead of suspending them for consecutive games. Florida State was to the point that they weren't filling up their stadium (still not actually) and the support had seriously wavered. I'm guess I shouldn't say I don't see parallels because there surely are, but I think it slipped by Bowden more than it has JM.

[fjblair]

I think you need to chill . Why should we have beat Villanova and Maine? Do other teams not have good players too? In your mind we should never lose. Complete homer. Great first post!

In my mind, we should never be blown out. At home especially. In my mind, our team, should be competative in every FCS game, bar none.

How many times now have we been DOMINATED, at home in the past 3-4 years? Not just lost, but DOMINATED.

I can take a loss or two, but what I cannot sit quietly for, is being DOMINATED, and made to look less than average, AT HOME, especially when we have the players to compete. We've put 2-3 players in the NFL on average for the past half a decade. Our team is blessed with the resources that dwarf a school like The Citadel, yet are consistantly inconsistant.

I grumble, I complain, it may not make the team perform better, but it makes me feel better. After the time, effort, money, heart and everything else Ive given for App, I feel Ive earned the right to ask the question "What the hell is going on?!"

I should be able to "like" this thing about 100 times. I was actually standing in the student section yesterday complaining about the effort when I got yelled at for complaining. It must be easy to be unconditionally supportive with no ticket money, gas money, etc. on the line, but I'm living in the real world. I want some answers for Saturday, not just "coach speak."

Exactly what answers do you feel you deserve that you aren't getting? You deserve no more or no less than any other fan.