#TeamClark

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by appfanjj » Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:32 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:12 pm
appfanjj wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:01 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:13 am
appdaze wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:43 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
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Ever miss a sales quota? Had a bad business year? I think you catch my drift….Even Belechek has a rough patch. Dabo? Mac?
Jerry Moore? 2 years is not a trend. 3 will show the big cracks and double secret probation is invoked.
Belechek has coached 10 seasons without Brady and had 2 winning seasons. He isn't crap without Brady.

Dabo has been the main HC at Clemson since 09. (08 he stepped in as interim halfway through) In his first 4 seasons he won 2 bowl games with one bad season and a 36-18 record. Then he went on an 11 season streak with only two seasons with 2 conference losses, the other 9 were 1 or 0. He also grabbed two chips. This year they are 4-3 (2-3) they will probably go 3-2 to finish 7-5 (6-5) and get a bowl.

Mac Brown is overrated as hell. Mediocre year at App, Garbage at Tulane, 10 seasons at UNC only 5 were 8-4 or better and never won the conference. Goes to Texas where money and recruits were growing on trees and doesn't get more than 10 wins until his 4th year. He has a chip because what Vince Young did that year is like nothing I've ever seen before or since. After Mac crapped the bed and put Texas back so badly they still haven't recovered to national prominence. Then UNC got desperate enough to grab him back and he hasn't hit 10 wins as of yet in his second stint. Mac is not a bad coach, but very overrated.

Jerry Moore was mediocre at N Tx St. Was a hot mess at Texas Tech. He had to essentially drop down to a lower level to find success and never went back up. In his first 16 seasons he only won the conference 3 times. He got lucky in 2005 that he went along with the new wave of offense being the spread and it caught the socon off guard and we had the right players to run it that first year. Chip. Then Trey Elder has shoulder surgery in June which probably impacted his ability to throw and gets him yanked after 2 games. We all know what Armanti did after that and the recruiting frenzy it caused.


Its not a great comparison with these coaches to our current position. 3/4 of these guys got lucky as hell to have recruited/drafted generational players that forever changed their coaching legacies. Dabo is a good coach. I don't particularly like him, but he is good.

For our situation the trend is that we have added more losses each season that Clark has been the head coach. That is actually a trend. We are currently heading for a 4th season of increasing losses. That is a trend. SC has to hit the recruiting trail and find his Armanti, Brady, Watson, Young to get his own generational player, or he's probably not going to make the cut. This leads me to the true point for all these guys. It takes a hell of a lot of luck to get the right players at the right time with the right chemistry etc to win it all or run the train on the regular season and get a big bowl. There are a ton of great X's and O's coaches that get fired because they don't find that one player or that core of players that perfectly run their system. It took Jerry 24 seasons to finally find that core with the right schemes to take it to the next level. Some coaches never find that.

Good luck SC, truly, you're gonna need it.
Let's work on our spell check boys....

Mack Brown is the best recruiter in college football not named Nick Saban,
Dabo is a big time lead recruiter, small time football mind --

They both are big time CEO's of World Class football programs, now neither could out coach me in my flag football league, but they know how to run a program and butter up those donors and HS coaches.

Belicheck is a football mind, but with no Tom Brady he can't out perform Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh.

I think #TeamClark reminds me of Mike Tomlin a little bit. Just a good tough dude the players like and respect.

Coach Moore landed the ASU job at the right time, moved it forward and it became more popular over the decade of the 1990's.. had some good luck happen in the 2000's for him. ASU football got better in the 2000's when many teams started to jump up to FBS and leave 1-AA (example Marshall).
Did you really just call UNC's football program world class? That is laughable. What universe are you living in?
Mack Brown is a good salesman / recruiter but not a big time CEO. Really?
Mack Brown won also at Texas, World Class, and Mack is best coach in the history of North Carolina football regardless of college. So yes my point remains his a big program CEO, but he does struggle at football tactical things.
Yeah. Whatever.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:23 am

If #TeamClark loses tomorrow at home as a 17 point favorite I will leave the Cabin forever!!!!
(Chris Maddog Russo voice)

I can't keep defending you #TeamClark, 2 straight losses as the favorite and now at home as a big favorite, you need to win the game!!

If you lose this game - there should be a change by Saturday night before we all pass out drunk from depression - you should be honorable enough to walk away on your own actually.

BUT if you win this game I can see a streak on the horizon and #TeamClark shirts being printed.

Damn 12.5 months ago the man was on the set of GameDay in the middle of campus on theGrassy/muddy knoll and now maybe out of a job.

HappyFriday!

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:44 am

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:23 am
If #TeamClark loses tomorrow at home as a 17 point favorite I will leave the Cabin forever!!!!
(Chris Maddog Russo voice)

I can't keep defending you #TeamClark, 2 straight losses as the favorite and now at home as a big favorite, you need to win the game!!

If you lose this game - there should be a change by Saturday night before we all pass out drunk from depression - you should be honorable enough to walk away on your own actually.

BUT if you win this game I can see a streak on the horizon and #TeamClark shirts being printed.

Damn 12.5 months ago the man was on the set of GameDay in the middle of campus on theGrassy/muddy knoll and now maybe out of a job.

HappyFriday!
You are being too extreme on both ends here. If we lose, Gillin should start making calls to get info in candidates so he can move fast but he can’t do anything until end of season officially to get the buyout to drop. There are also a lot of challenges to doing it now. A lot of players would enter portal for sure.

If we win this game it does not change anything yet because it’s a game we are suppose to win. I think we cover the spread in this game but I still believe we only win 1 game in November and that would end it for him. Clark will have to win 3 in a row before I think the seat cools at all for him.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:46 am

First article by local media on Clark being in trouble. This is interesting timing and I wonder why Snow would be the one to write this. He doesn’t normally cover App.

https://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ ... 43a3a.html

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:05 am

AppStFan1 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:46 am
First article by local media on Clark being in trouble. This is interesting timing and I wonder why Snow would be the one to write this. He doesn’t normally cover App.

https://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ ... 43a3a.html
Terrible editorial of an individual that never comes to a press conference or covers App State Sports, probably reads this board and wrote that. Probably planted by Sofield and Gillin to write it. Someone needs justification in making an end of year decision and this publicly gets the ball rolling. Clowns all over Boone.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by BallantyneApp » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:19 am

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:28 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
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appgrad95&97 wrote:
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No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.

But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....
Just curious, does anyone have numbers for these budgets?
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs

the Knight reports compile all PUBLIC D-1 schools regulatory filings with the NCAA. Its not a straight apples to apples, because as has been mentioned each state has different funding requirements, but its a pretty good peek in. For all the bluster on here about our fans not giving, App has one of the highest donation and ticket sale rates in all of the G5. We have one of the lowest subsidization rates in all of the G5 (organic revenue vs student fees/institutional support).

Note that private schools do not have to release their regulatory filings hence no private school has any data available.

Also the filings are for FY so it lags a year, the current available year is for FY 2022, so 2021 fall sports and 2021-2022 spring sports. The next filing ~June 2024 should include our UNC game and season ticket sell out. Very interested to see how our rates jump from FY 2022.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by BallantyneApp » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:25 am

AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:26 pm
BallantyneApp wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:28 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pm


Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....
Ads have very little to do with realignment. This is between the CEOs. Everts has these discussions not Gillin.

Ucf and usf had 2 of the highest budgets in the aac. Our current budget would be in about halfway between the 6 cusa additions so we’d be in line. I agree we’re not in a position to enhance our budget to $50MM soon, but neither are any of the cusa 6 with the exception of unt, since they are willing to subsidize their AD by about 75% (App is 48% for comparisons)

Marshalls budget is about 2% higher than our for FY2022. Jmu and ODU is not apples to apples because of the way the athletic department is required to report their revenue by the state.

Someone as high up as DG would know this and be able to assess an apples to apples comparison so I’m assuming you’re just talking out your ass.
I think Everts would talk to Gillin and he would advise correctly. If she is not talking moves with the AD then she would make decisions that could hurt. She wants to win but does not truly know the football landscape. I think all she knows is that she does not like Clark and wants a change.
Of course DG would be involved in the discussion, but the original comment acted like he would be the decision maker and talking to other decision makers, which is not how it works. Conference alignment is decided by the Presidents/Chancellors, not the ADs.

The ADs responsibilities would be to advise on if we could support X athletic budget, and how our revenues might be affected by a conference move.

Our institutional profile limits our conference alignment much more than our athletic budget, and frankly as has been mentioned, I don't think the AAC as it currently stands would be a better move for App than staying in the Sunbelt.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by Black Saturday » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:47 am

No one has put a "For Sale" in his yard yet?
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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by asu1988 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:48 am

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:13 am
appdaze wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:43 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:00 pm
Ever miss a sales quota? Had a bad business year? I think you catch my drift….Even Belechek has a rough patch. Dabo? Mac?
Jerry Moore? 2 years is not a trend. 3 will show the big cracks and double secret probation is invoked.
Belechek has coached 10 seasons without Brady and had 2 winning seasons. He isn't crap without Brady.

Dabo has been the main HC at Clemson since 09. (08 he stepped in as interim halfway through) In his first 4 seasons he won 2 bowl games with one bad season and a 36-18 record. Then he went on an 11 season streak with only two seasons with 2 conference losses, the other 9 were 1 or 0. He also grabbed two chips. This year they are 4-3 (2-3) they will probably go 3-2 to finish 7-5 (6-5) and get a bowl.

Mac Brown is overrated as hell. Mediocre year at App, Garbage at Tulane, 10 seasons at UNC only 5 were 8-4 or better and never won the conference. Goes to Texas where money and recruits were growing on trees and doesn't get more than 10 wins until his 4th year. He has a chip because what Vince Young did that year is like nothing I've ever seen before or since. After Mac crapped the bed and put Texas back so badly they still haven't recovered to national prominence. Then UNC got desperate enough to grab him back and he hasn't hit 10 wins as of yet in his second stint. Mac is not a bad coach, but very overrated.

Jerry Moore was mediocre at N Tx St. Was a hot mess at Texas Tech. He had to essentially drop down to a lower level to find success and never went back up. In his first 16 seasons he only won the conference 3 times. He got lucky in 2005 that he went along with the new wave of offense being the spread and it caught the socon off guard and we had the right players to run it that first year. Chip. Then Trey Elder has shoulder surgery in June which probably impacted his ability to throw and gets him yanked after 2 games. We all know what Armanti did after that and the recruiting frenzy it caused.


Its not a great comparison with these coaches to our current position. 3/4 of these guys got lucky as hell to have recruited/drafted generational players that forever changed their coaching legacies. Dabo is a good coach. I don't particularly like him, but he is good.

For our situation the trend is that we have added more losses each season that Clark has been the head coach. That is actually a trend. We are currently heading for a 4th season of increasing losses. That is a trend. SC has to hit the recruiting trail and find his Armanti, Brady, Watson, Young to get his own generational player, or he's probably not going to make the cut. This leads me to the true point for all these guys. It takes a hell of a lot of luck to get the right players at the right time with the right chemistry etc to win it all or run the train on the regular season and get a big bowl. There are a ton of great X's and O's coaches that get fired because they don't find that one player or that core of players that perfectly run their system. It took Jerry 24 seasons to finally find that core with the right schemes to take it to the next level. Some coaches never find that.

Good luck SC, truly, you're gonna need it.
Let's work on our spell check boys....

Mack Brown is the best recruiter in college football not named Nick Saban,
Dabo is a big time lead recruiter, small time football mind --

They both are big time CEO's of World Class football programs, now neither could out coach me in my flag football league, but they know how to run a program and butter up those donors and HS coaches.

Belicheck is a football mind, but with no Tom Brady he can't out perform Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh.

I think #TeamClark reminds me of Mike Tomlin a little bit. Just a good tough dude the players like and respect.

Coach Moore landed the ASU job at the right time, moved it forward and it became more popular over the decade of the 1990's.. had some good luck happen in the 2000's for him. ASU football got better in the 2000's when many teams started to jump up to FBS and leave 1-AA (example Marshall).
Mack Brown is the John Calipari of college football. He can recruit talent, but one Natty to show for it. Even with putting out the likes of Vince Young, Ricky Williams, Colt McCoy, and Brian Orakpo. Dabo is a good culture builder. He kinda makes me think of Coach Moore in molding men.
What helped Coach Moore was listening to his assistants, especially Satt when he wanted to get away from the spread after 2004. In those days, we were on the edge of our seats wondering what play would be ran next.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:50 am

Besides Saban, Coach K and maybe John Wooden who would you guys consider a great coach since the criteria appears to be champions and not the other important aspects.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by T-Dog » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:51 am

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I think we would have said no. I have heard we have no interest in the AAC anyway. Have you heard the same?
That's what was reported when the Army/AAC news was originally reported in September. App had no interest, but was No. 2 on the AAC's list. But you never know 100% until you're formally asked.
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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by BallantyneApp » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:52 am

asu1988 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:48 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:13 am
appdaze wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:43 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:00 pm
Ever miss a sales quota? Had a bad business year? I think you catch my drift….Even Belechek has a rough patch. Dabo? Mac?
Jerry Moore? 2 years is not a trend. 3 will show the big cracks and double secret probation is invoked.
Belechek has coached 10 seasons without Brady and had 2 winning seasons. He isn't crap without Brady.

Dabo has been the main HC at Clemson since 09. (08 he stepped in as interim halfway through) In his first 4 seasons he won 2 bowl games with one bad season and a 36-18 record. Then he went on an 11 season streak with only two seasons with 2 conference losses, the other 9 were 1 or 0. He also grabbed two chips. This year they are 4-3 (2-3) they will probably go 3-2 to finish 7-5 (6-5) and get a bowl.

Mac Brown is overrated as hell. Mediocre year at App, Garbage at Tulane, 10 seasons at UNC only 5 were 8-4 or better and never won the conference. Goes to Texas where money and recruits were growing on trees and doesn't get more than 10 wins until his 4th year. He has a chip because what Vince Young did that year is like nothing I've ever seen before or since. After Mac crapped the bed and put Texas back so badly they still haven't recovered to national prominence. Then UNC got desperate enough to grab him back and he hasn't hit 10 wins as of yet in his second stint. Mac is not a bad coach, but very overrated.

Jerry Moore was mediocre at N Tx St. Was a hot mess at Texas Tech. He had to essentially drop down to a lower level to find success and never went back up. In his first 16 seasons he only won the conference 3 times. He got lucky in 2005 that he went along with the new wave of offense being the spread and it caught the socon off guard and we had the right players to run it that first year. Chip. Then Trey Elder has shoulder surgery in June which probably impacted his ability to throw and gets him yanked after 2 games. We all know what Armanti did after that and the recruiting frenzy it caused.


Its not a great comparison with these coaches to our current position. 3/4 of these guys got lucky as hell to have recruited/drafted generational players that forever changed their coaching legacies. Dabo is a good coach. I don't particularly like him, but he is good.

For our situation the trend is that we have added more losses each season that Clark has been the head coach. That is actually a trend. We are currently heading for a 4th season of increasing losses. That is a trend. SC has to hit the recruiting trail and find his Armanti, Brady, Watson, Young to get his own generational player, or he's probably not going to make the cut. This leads me to the true point for all these guys. It takes a hell of a lot of luck to get the right players at the right time with the right chemistry etc to win it all or run the train on the regular season and get a big bowl. There are a ton of great X's and O's coaches that get fired because they don't find that one player or that core of players that perfectly run their system. It took Jerry 24 seasons to finally find that core with the right schemes to take it to the next level. Some coaches never find that.

Good luck SC, truly, you're gonna need it.
Let's work on our spell check boys....

Mack Brown is the best recruiter in college football not named Nick Saban,
Dabo is a big time lead recruiter, small time football mind --

They both are big time CEO's of World Class football programs, now neither could out coach me in my flag football league, but they know how to run a program and butter up those donors and HS coaches.

Belicheck is a football mind, but with no Tom Brady he can't out perform Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh.

I think #TeamClark reminds me of Mike Tomlin a little bit. Just a good tough dude the players like and respect.

Coach Moore landed the ASU job at the right time, moved it forward and it became more popular over the decade of the 1990's.. had some good luck happen in the 2000's for him. ASU football got better in the 2000's when many teams started to jump up to FBS and leave 1-AA (example Marshall).
Mack Brown is the John Calipari of college football. He can recruit talent, but one Natty to show for it. Even with putting out the likes of Vince Young, Ricky Williams, Colt McCoy, and Brian Orakpo. Dabo is a good culture builder. He kinda makes me think of Coach Moore in molding men.
What helped Coach Moore was listening to his assistants, especially Satt when he wanted to get away from the spread after 2004. In those days, we were on the edge of our seats wondering what play would be ran next.
eihh, I think Moore walked the walk, I only see Dabo talk the talk. Dude makes $10MM a year but then threatens to quit if some of his players make $$$? Look, I hate what college athletics has turned into as well, but the coaches making $5MM+ are part of the problem.
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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by asu1988 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:53 am

BallantyneApp wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:52 am
asu1988 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:48 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:13 am
appdaze wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:43 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:00 pm
Ever miss a sales quota? Had a bad business year? I think you catch my drift….Even Belechek has a rough patch. Dabo? Mac?
Jerry Moore? 2 years is not a trend. 3 will show the big cracks and double secret probation is invoked.
Belechek has coached 10 seasons without Brady and had 2 winning seasons. He isn't crap without Brady.

Dabo has been the main HC at Clemson since 09. (08 he stepped in as interim halfway through) In his first 4 seasons he won 2 bowl games with one bad season and a 36-18 record. Then he went on an 11 season streak with only two seasons with 2 conference losses, the other 9 were 1 or 0. He also grabbed two chips. This year they are 4-3 (2-3) they will probably go 3-2 to finish 7-5 (6-5) and get a bowl.

Mac Brown is overrated as hell. Mediocre year at App, Garbage at Tulane, 10 seasons at UNC only 5 were 8-4 or better and never won the conference. Goes to Texas where money and recruits were growing on trees and doesn't get more than 10 wins until his 4th year. He has a chip because what Vince Young did that year is like nothing I've ever seen before or since. After Mac crapped the bed and put Texas back so badly they still haven't recovered to national prominence. Then UNC got desperate enough to grab him back and he hasn't hit 10 wins as of yet in his second stint. Mac is not a bad coach, but very overrated.

Jerry Moore was mediocre at N Tx St. Was a hot mess at Texas Tech. He had to essentially drop down to a lower level to find success and never went back up. In his first 16 seasons he only won the conference 3 times. He got lucky in 2005 that he went along with the new wave of offense being the spread and it caught the socon off guard and we had the right players to run it that first year. Chip. Then Trey Elder has shoulder surgery in June which probably impacted his ability to throw and gets him yanked after 2 games. We all know what Armanti did after that and the recruiting frenzy it caused.


Its not a great comparison with these coaches to our current position. 3/4 of these guys got lucky as hell to have recruited/drafted generational players that forever changed their coaching legacies. Dabo is a good coach. I don't particularly like him, but he is good.

For our situation the trend is that we have added more losses each season that Clark has been the head coach. That is actually a trend. We are currently heading for a 4th season of increasing losses. That is a trend. SC has to hit the recruiting trail and find his Armanti, Brady, Watson, Young to get his own generational player, or he's probably not going to make the cut. This leads me to the true point for all these guys. It takes a hell of a lot of luck to get the right players at the right time with the right chemistry etc to win it all or run the train on the regular season and get a big bowl. There are a ton of great X's and O's coaches that get fired because they don't find that one player or that core of players that perfectly run their system. It took Jerry 24 seasons to finally find that core with the right schemes to take it to the next level. Some coaches never find that.

Good luck SC, truly, you're gonna need it.
Let's work on our spell check boys....

Mack Brown is the best recruiter in college football not named Nick Saban,
Dabo is a big time lead recruiter, small time football mind --

They both are big time CEO's of World Class football programs, now neither could out coach me in my flag football league, but they know how to run a program and butter up those donors and HS coaches.

Belicheck is a football mind, but with no Tom Brady he can't out perform Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh.

I think #TeamClark reminds me of Mike Tomlin a little bit. Just a good tough dude the players like and respect.

Coach Moore landed the ASU job at the right time, moved it forward and it became more popular over the decade of the 1990's.. had some good luck happen in the 2000's for him. ASU football got better in the 2000's when many teams started to jump up to FBS and leave 1-AA (example Marshall).
Mack Brown is the John Calipari of college football. He can recruit talent, but one Natty to show for it. Even with putting out the likes of Vince Young, Ricky Williams, Colt McCoy, and Brian Orakpo. Dabo is a good culture builder. He kinda makes me think of Coach Moore in molding men.
What helped Coach Moore was listening to his assistants, especially Satt when he wanted to get away from the spread after 2004. In those days, we were on the edge of our seats wondering what play would be ran next.
eihh, I think Moore walked the walk, I only see Dabo talk the talk. Dude makes $10MM a year but then threatens to quit if some of his players make $$$? Look, I hate what college athletics has turned into as well, but the guys making $5MM+ are part of the problem.
Imagine what guys like Armanti Edwards would've made.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by BallantyneApp » Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:55 am

T-Dog wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:51 am
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Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:19 pm
I think we would have said no. I have heard we have no interest in the AAC anyway. Have you heard the same?
That's what was reported when the Army/AAC news was originally reported in September. App had no interest, but was No. 2 on the AAC's list. But you never know 100% until you're formally asked.
I think only Dennis Dodd throw our name out. Probably just clickbait.

I think it was Army or bust. The AAC media partner is probably only interested in obtaining properties not currently under its control (Army's deal was with CBS), and I don't think App has the institutional profile in order to get the AAC presidents to vote unanimously for us. And as mentioned, even IF the AAC expressed interest, I think we decline.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by fjblair » Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:38 am

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:05 am
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Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:46 am
First article by local media on Clark being in trouble. This is interesting timing and I wonder why Snow would be the one to write this. He doesn’t normally cover App.

https://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ ... 43a3a.html
Terrible editorial of an individual that never comes to a press conference or covers App State Sports, probably reads this board and wrote that. Probably planted by Sofield and Gillin to write it. Someone needs justification in making an end of year decision and this publicly gets the ball rolling. Clowns all over Boone.
Give it a rest, your lame schtick is played out.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:53 am

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:05 am
AppStFan1 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:46 am
First article by local media on Clark being in trouble. This is interesting timing and I wonder why Snow would be the one to write this. He doesn’t normally cover App.

https://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ ... 43a3a.html
Terrible editorial of an individual that never comes to a press conference or covers App State Sports, probably reads this board and wrote that. Probably planted by Sofield and Gillin to write it. Someone needs justification in making an end of year decision and this publicly gets the ball rolling. Clowns all over Boone.
That justification would be, because there was a mid season article in the Watauga Democrat, we felt it was best to let Clark go?

Prior to this article I'm sure DG has already received e-mails, been spoken to directly by large donors, possibly even by Everts about what could possibly need to take place in terms on Clark's future. If DG is going to go by what he or others read in a highly ad laced article about Clark as to justification, then we've got even bigger issues.
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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 10:06 am

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:05 am
AppStFan1 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:46 am
First article by local media on Clark being in trouble. This is interesting timing and I wonder why Snow would be the one to write this. He doesn’t normally cover App.

https://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ ... 43a3a.html
Terrible editorial of an individual that never comes to a press conference or covers App State Sports, probably reads this board and wrote that. Probably planted by Sofield and Gillin to write it. Someone needs justification in making an end of year decision and this publicly gets the ball rolling. Clowns all over Boone.
I could see someone maybe reaching out to him because he normally does not cover us but Gillin needing this to give him justification is just a reach. You might not like the fact someone wrote this but he brought up actual results.

I do find the timing of this article very interesting since it is the first time we have seen anything like that. I wonder if we will see more of these as soon as we lose another game.
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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 10:08 am

T-Dog wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:51 am
AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:19 pm
I think we would have said no. I have heard we have no interest in the AAC anyway. Have you heard the same?
That's what was reported when the Army/AAC news was originally reported in September. App had no interest, but was No. 2 on the AAC's list. But you never know 100% until you're formally asked.
And that is why I say DG has done some good. I don't think we should have any interest in the AAC unless we can bring about 4 other programs with us and it is a substantial TV payout increase but neither of those are the case.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by 8993 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 10:37 am

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:05 am
AppStFan1 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:46 am
First article by local media on Clark being in trouble. This is interesting timing and I wonder why Snow would be the one to write this. He doesn’t normally cover App.

https://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ ... 43a3a.html
Terrible editorial of an individual that never comes to a press conference or covers App State Sports, probably reads this board and wrote that. Probably planted by Sofield and Gillin to write it. Someone needs justification in making an end of year decision and this publicly gets the ball rolling. Clowns all over Boone.
You're #TeamClark's biggest fan one day and "I can't support Clark" the next. God, give it a damn break. The back-and-forth antics and the constant whining when it doesn't suit your narrative is incessant.

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Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:08 am

8993 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 10:37 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:05 am
AppStFan1 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:46 am
First article by local media on Clark being in trouble. This is interesting timing and I wonder why Snow would be the one to write this. He doesn’t normally cover App.

https://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ ... 43a3a.html
Terrible editorial of an individual that never comes to a press conference or covers App State Sports, probably reads this board and wrote that. Probably planted by Sofield and Gillin to write it. Someone needs justification in making an end of year decision and this publicly gets the ball rolling. Clowns all over Boone.
You're #TeamClark's biggest fan one day and "I can't support Clark" the next. God, give it a damn break. The back-and-forth antics and the constant whining when it doesn't suit your narrative is incessant.
He has no moderate or realistic stance on this at all. Way too extreme lol

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