#TeamClark

[DenverOfTheEast]

This entire thread is a bit tiresome. Nobody is firing Clark this year. He could lose out and barring some kind of scandal he's the HC in 2024. He has the support of the guys in the suites and the administration.

I'm with you. This thread never ends mostly because a few smart asses can't resist poking each other. There is some long diatribe that gets a comment so it's right back on there. If a coach isn't doing anything wrong and is conducting business the right way he should get at least 5 years to see what he can do. The only exception I could envision is if he inherits a solid roster and just lets it fall apart (a 2-10 type season) followed by another disastrous season. Going 6-6 with multiple coaching changes and roster turnover isn't grounds.

This is what I been saying the whole time in different type of way, Alumni former player should get his 5 years.

Then what?

Unless he goes 5-7 this year he shouldn't be evaluated until end of 2024.

100% faith that #TeamClark finishes 6-6 or better this year.

75% chance he makes Bowl at this current moment. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/projections/standings/

If he gets to 7-5 this year, he will win SBC East in 2024.
A 6-6 season and Bowl loss this year will be big pressure to start 2024.

[appgrad95&97]

This entire thread is a bit tiresome. Nobody is firing Clark this year. He could lose out and barring some kind of scandal he's the HC in 2024. He has the support of the guys in the suites and the administration.

I'm with you. This thread never ends mostly because a few smart asses can't resist poking each other. There is some long diatribe that gets a comment so it's right back on there. If a coach isn't doing anything wrong and is conducting business the right way he should get at least 5 years to see what he can do. The only exception I could envision is if he inherits a solid roster and just lets it fall apart (a 2-10 type season) followed by another disastrous season. Going 6-6 with multiple coaching changes and roster turnover isn't grounds.

This is what I been saying the whole time in different type of way, Alumni former player should get his 5 years.

Then what?

Unless he goes 5-7 this year he shouldn't be evaluated until end of 2024.

100% faith that #TeamClark finishes 6-6 or better this year.

75% chance he makes Bowl at this current moment. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/projections/standings/

If he gets to 7-5 this year, he will win SBC East in 2024.
A 6-6 season and Bowl loss this year will be big pressure to start 2024.

That seems very reasonable (for a change) but 7-6 this year, then what? The hardest coach to fire is the one that goes 9-4/8-5. Clark at his best may be just good enough. NY6/playoff seems out of the question with him. Winning the East? The conference? We are, in fact, three and a half years in and a looooooong way from where we were five years ago.

[DenverOfTheEast]

I'm with you. This thread never ends mostly because a few smart asses can't resist poking each other. There is some long diatribe that gets a comment so it's right back on there. If a coach isn't doing anything wrong and is conducting business the right way he should get at least 5 years to see what he can do. The only exception I could envision is if he inherits a solid roster and just lets it fall apart (a 2-10 type season) followed by another disastrous season. Going 6-6 with multiple coaching changes and roster turnover isn't grounds.

This is what I been saying the whole time in different type of way, Alumni former player should get his 5 years.

Then what?

Unless he goes 5-7 this year he shouldn't be evaluated until end of 2024.

100% faith that #TeamClark finishes 6-6 or better this year.

75% chance he makes Bowl at this current moment. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/projections/standings/

If he gets to 7-5 this year, he will win SBC East in 2024.
A 6-6 season and Bowl loss this year will be big pressure to start 2024.

That seems very reasonable (for a change) but 7-6 this year, then what? The hardest coach to fire is the one that goes 9-4/8-5. Clark at his best may be just good enough. NY6/playoff seems out of the question with him. Winning the East? The conference? We are, in fact, three and a half years in and a looooooong way from where we were five years ago.

That New Years 6 is a pipe dream big guy....
IF JMU goes undefeated with a UVA win they still wouldn't be in a NY6 BOWL if they were allowed to be.
Media and AD's hype fans up thinking they can get in no way Jose, it's all stacked against the G5's
Clark already has an East division title in his side pocket....
He is ahead of the other teams in terms of rebuild, rest of the east will start their rebuild next year.

[appst89]

The champion of the best G5 league getting the NY6 bowl is a pipe dream? Is that you Roachel? You’ve got the most negative outlook of anyone on this board. All you want to do is tell us what App can’t do. We’ve heard all that before.

[DenverOfTheEast]

The champion of the best G5 league getting the NY6 bowl is a pipe dream? Is that you Roachel? You’ve got the most negative outlook of anyone on this board. All you want to do is tell us what App can’t do. We’ve heard all that before.

I'm a realist, no SBC is getting a NY6 BOWL - 2019 13-1 2 P5 wins and DID NOT GET AN INVITE!

You have to be undefeated and dominate, as in blowouts and no close games, in the G5 to get that level of invite.

Only hope is expand the playoff to 12 teams and maybe so.

[appst89]

The champion of the best G5 league getting the NY6 bowl is a pipe dream? Is that you Roachel? You’ve got the most negative outlook of anyone on this board. All you want to do is tell us what App can’t do. We’ve heard all that before.

I'm a realist, no SBC is getting a NY6 BOWL - 2019 13-1 2 P5 wins and DID NOT GET AN INVITE!

You have to be undefeated and dominate, as in blowouts and no close games, in the G5 to get that level of invite.

Only hope is expand the playoff to 12 teams and maybe so.

Nope.

[RaleighApp27609]

The champion of the best G5 league getting the NY6 bowl is a pipe dream? Is that you Roachel? You’ve got the most negative outlook of anyone on this board. All you want to do is tell us what App can’t do. We’ve heard all that before.

I'm a realist, no SBC is getting a NY6 BOWL - 2019 13-1 2 P5 wins and DID NOT GET AN INVITE!

You have to be undefeated and dominate, as in blowouts and no close games, in the G5 to get that level of invite.

Only hope is expand the playoff to 12 teams and maybe so.

In 2019 if App had gone undefeated they would most certainly have gotten an NY6 Bowl invite that year. Having beaten two P5s along with the unbeaten record, there is no way to deny them the invite.

[PhillyApp1]

This is what I been saying the whole time in different type of way, Alumni former player should get his 5 years.

Then what?

Unless he goes 5-7 this year he shouldn't be evaluated until end of 2024.

100% faith that #TeamClark finishes 6-6 or better this year.

75% chance he makes Bowl at this current moment. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/projections/standings/

If he gets to 7-5 this year, he will win SBC East in 2024.
A 6-6 season and Bowl loss this year will be big pressure to start 2024.

That seems very reasonable (for a change) but 7-6 this year, then what? The hardest coach to fire is the one that goes 9-4/8-5. Clark at his best may be just good enough. NY6/playoff seems out of the question with him. Winning the East? The conference? We are, in fact, three and a half years in and a looooooong way from where we were five years ago.

That New Years 6 is a pipe dream big guy....
IF JMU goes undefeated with a UVA win they still wouldn't be in a NY6 BOWL if they were allowed to be.
Media and AD's hype fans up thinking they can get in no way Jose, it's all stacked against the G5's
Clark already has an East division title in his side pocket....
He is ahead of the other teams in terms of rebuild, rest of the east will start their rebuild next year.

Now I am with you denveronthelake

I agree we are going through the early pains except GA South

[AppStFan1]

The champion of the best G5 league getting the NY6 bowl is a pipe dream? Is that you Roachel? You’ve got the most negative outlook of anyone on this board. All you want to do is tell us what App can’t do. We’ve heard all that before.

I'm a realist, no SBC is getting a NY6 BOWL - 2019 13-1 2 P5 wins and DID NOT GET AN INVITE!

You have to be undefeated and dominate, as in blowouts and no close games, in the G5 to get that level of invite.

Only hope is expand the playoff to 12 teams and maybe so.

SBC isn’t viewed the same now as it was. The AAC isn’t nearly as strong now. Playoffs have been expanded so I think a 13-1 SBC Champ has a good shot at playoffs and even better with a strong OOC. It just depends who they lose to.

[AppStFan1]

This is what I been saying the whole time in different type of way, Alumni former player should get his 5 years.

Then what?

Unless he goes 5-7 this year he shouldn't be evaluated until end of 2024.

100% faith that #TeamClark finishes 6-6 or better this year.

75% chance he makes Bowl at this current moment. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/projections/standings/

If he gets to 7-5 this year, he will win SBC East in 2024.
A 6-6 season and Bowl loss this year will be big pressure to start 2024.

That seems very reasonable (for a change) but 7-6 this year, then what? The hardest coach to fire is the one that goes 9-4/8-5. Clark at his best may be just good enough. NY6/playoff seems out of the question with him. Winning the East? The conference? We are, in fact, three and a half years in and a looooooong way from where we were five years ago.

That New Years 6 is a pipe dream big guy....
IF JMU goes undefeated with a UVA win they still wouldn't be in a NY6 BOWL if they were allowed to be.
Media and AD's hype fans up thinking they can get in no way Jose, it's all stacked against the G5's
Clark already has an East division title in his side pocket....
He is ahead of the other teams in terms of rebuild, rest of the east will start their rebuild next year.

On paper I agree on rebuild but with the portal you never know. JMU lost their QB and quickly got a replacement so you never know. They could fall behind next year or be just as good or better.

[WASU 93]

I'm with you. This thread never ends mostly because a few smart asses can't resist poking each other. There is some long diatribe that gets a comment so it's right back on there. If a coach isn't doing anything wrong and is conducting business the right way he should get at least 5 years to see what he can do. The only exception I could envision is if he inherits a solid roster and just lets it fall apart (a 2-10 type season) followed by another disastrous season. Going 6-6 with multiple coaching changes and roster turnover isn't grounds.

This is what I been saying the whole time in different type of way, Alumni former player should get his 5 years.

Then what?

Unless he goes 5-7 this year he shouldn't be evaluated until end of 2024.

100% faith that #TeamClark finishes 6-6 or better this year.

75% chance he makes Bowl at this current moment. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/projections/standings/

If he gets to 7-5 this year, he will win SBC East in 2024.
A 6-6 season and Bowl loss this year will be big pressure to start 2024.

That seems very reasonable (for a change) but 7-6 this year, then what? The hardest coach to fire is the one that goes 9-4/8-5. Clark at his best may be just good enough. NY6/playoff seems out of the question with him. Winning the East? The conference? We are, in fact, three and a half years in and a looooooong way from where we were five years ago.

Who fires coaches who go 9-4 or 8-5????

In the last 8 years, only 9 G5 programs (some of which are going P5) have averaged 8 or more wins.
Only App. State and Boise St. have averaged more than 9 wins.

[Stonewall]

Schools with higher expectations.

[AtlAppMan]

Schools with higher expectations.

Just a simple question.

If you fire the guy now or after Dec, where are you getting the money to cover a multi-million dollar decision? That is over and above what you pay Clark or a replacement.

If you don’t have the bank for that move then shut up.

[MrCraig]

The champion of the best G5 league getting the NY6 bowl is a pipe dream? Is that you Roachel? You’ve got the most negative outlook of anyone on this board. All you want to do is tell us what App can’t do. We’ve heard all that before.

I'm a realist, no SBC is getting a NY6 BOWL - 2019 13-1 2 P5 wins and DID NOT GET AN INVITE!

You have to be undefeated and dominate, as in blowouts and no close games, in the G5 to get that level of invite.

Only hope is expand the playoff to 12 teams and maybe so.

The only reasons App didn’t get a NY6 invite in 2019 is because Memphis beat Ole Miss, #15 SMU, and #19 Cincinnati twice. Memphis lost to Temple that year, but the ranked wins make up for it. App beat bad UNC and USC teams, had 0 ranked wins, and lost to Stink. That was the difference. If App beats Southern, I think they get in above Memphis. If a team in the current Sun Belt went 12-1 with 2 P5 wins, they’d get heavy consideration for a NY6

[Saint3333]

Since it was asked:
Clark 25 wins first three years
Moore 23 wins
Satt 22 wins

And if Clark goes 6-6 this year (hopefully, it’s better)
he’ll be tied with Satt after 4 years and 1 win ahead of Moore (who then went 4-7 in his 5th year)

Context matters, Satt started with one of the least talented rosters while moving to the FBS in the pre-transfer portal NIL era. This comparison is a bit disingenuous.

[Saint3333]

Schools with higher expectations.

Just a simple question.

If you fire the guy now or after Dec, where are you getting the money to cover a multi-million dollar decision? That is over and above what you pay Clark or a replacement.

If you don’t have the bank for that move then shut up.

Guess we should shut the board down if that’s the bar, apply it to both sides of every debate.

[Saint3333]

This is what I been saying the whole time in different type of way, Alumni former player should get his 5 years.

Then what?

Unless he goes 5-7 this year he shouldn't be evaluated until end of 2024.

100% faith that #TeamClark finishes 6-6 or better this year.

75% chance he makes Bowl at this current moment. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/projections/standings/

If he gets to 7-5 this year, he will win SBC East in 2024.
A 6-6 season and Bowl loss this year will be big pressure to start 2024.

That seems very reasonable (for a change) but 7-6 this year, then what? The hardest coach to fire is the one that goes 9-4/8-5. Clark at his best may be just good enough. NY6/playoff seems out of the question with him. Winning the East? The conference? We are, in fact, three and a half years in and a looooooong way from where we were five years ago.

Who fires coaches who go 9-4 or 8-5????

In the last 8 years, only 9 G5 programs (some of which are going P5) have averaged 8 or more wins.
Only App. State and Boise St. have averaged more than 9 wins.

Hopefully no one does, remember what happened to ECU.

[appgrad95&97]

This is what I been saying the whole time in different type of way, Alumni former player should get his 5 years.

Then what?

Unless he goes 5-7 this year he shouldn't be evaluated until end of 2024.

100% faith that #TeamClark finishes 6-6 or better this year.

75% chance he makes Bowl at this current moment. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/projections/standings/

If he gets to 7-5 this year, he will win SBC East in 2024.
A 6-6 season and Bowl loss this year will be big pressure to start 2024.

That seems very reasonable (for a change) but 7-6 this year, then what? The hardest coach to fire is the one that goes 9-4/8-5. Clark at his best may be just good enough. NY6/playoff seems out of the question with him. Winning the East? The conference? We are, in fact, three and a half years in and a looooooong way from where we were five years ago.

Who fires coaches who go 9-4 or 8-5????

In the last 8 years, only 9 G5 programs (some of which are going P5) have averaged 8 or more wins.
Only App. State and Boise St. have averaged more than 9 wins.

That is the point I was making. Eight or nine wins may win the East every so often. But a nine win Sun Belt champion is not likely to be ranked, and not at all likely to get the G5 playoff spot.

It wasn't that long ago that we were consistently a top third FBS program. We're not now.

[WASU 93]

Since it was asked:
Clark 25 wins first three years
Moore 23 wins
Satt 22 wins

And if Clark goes 6-6 this year (hopefully, it’s better)
he’ll be tied with Satt after 4 years and 1 win ahead of Moore (who then went 4-7 in his 5th year)

Context matters, Satt started with one of the least talented rosters while moving to the FBS in the pre-transfer portal NIL era. This comparison is a bit disingenuous.

The question was asked by Mr. Craig:
"That is a fact! Now, how many games did he win in his first 3 seasons? Is that a record? What about first 3 and a half seasons? Is that more than Satterfield or Moore?"

I simply provided the answer:

[Mjohn1988]

For the record I absolutely want Shawn Clark to succeed. That said there is really no way to make the argument that we are getting better or even maintaining our prior success level under his leadership. He knows this. If we turn the corner today I’ll be thrilled. And while I don’t really think I need to eat crow for simple stating the obvious, I sure would.