Let's talk about Clark

[BambooRdApp]

We had 4 TOs at ULM and 2 or 3 last evening..the last one potentially cost us the game. Kids are trying hard and unfortunately mistakes happen.

[appgrad95&97]

We had 4 TOs at ULM and 2 or 3 last evening..the last one potentially cost us the game. Kids are trying hard and unfortunately mistakes happen.

No interceptions and one fumble lost last night.

[AppDub]

Steve Wilks

[appgrad95&97]

I promise to my core this is not meant as an I told you so. I said this was a lazy hire. I have asked questions about the hire from basically day 1 (Dec. '19).

Clark was never qualified for the job. I went back and looked, his biggest supporters (and there were tons of them) talked about his love for App, that he bleeds Black & Gold, that the players wanted him, that he understands our culture. All that is great, and it's important, BUT those aren't qualifications.

We have been plagued by games where the team doesn't seem motivated or prepared. That was the case in his first game (Marshall). It has not been all bad. But it has not been good. Years ago we talked about the car--keys to a Cadillac or a Ferrari. No one seemed to care that the keys were handed over to a driver with learner's permit experience.

[DenverOfTheEast]

If the buyout is 1 million dollars, how bout going out and buying some players.

You're not investing your monies properly. Pay to keep JA and pay to keep that kicker, if Clark leaves that kicker will be in Morgantown in 2024!!!

Need some DB's, Need some WR that aren't afraid to catch a slant route, need some lineman that don't get dumb penalties in the first quarter, need a linebacker that won't arm tackle, more I think about it need every thing but a QB and a kicker.

Instead of buying out the coach go buy some talent for the next coach.....

If we don’t have any talent then how did we play UNC so close? We have talent but they are making a ton of mistakes and not executing.

If we don’t have talent then missing on talent evals and development is on coaching. After 4 years we are getting what we are going to get.

To answer your question; we played good and UNC probably wasn't motivated, about like App State vs ULM, same mindset.
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Ok then pay the 1 million buy out and pay the new guy 1.2 million a year for 5 years = (7 million dollar investment this winter) and

HE (the new coach) will sit at the spring Yosef Club caravan, while everyone shakes his hand, will say "we need NIL money to get good players".

So therefore I ask the question what's the difference, pay a new guy or pay players. That's the name of the game. Cause the roster currently will NOT stay intact if a new guy comes to town.

[311neers]

Interesting that he has always said "it's a player led team". Is that because he can't lead? He doesn't want that to fall back on him? Putting all the blame on the kids?

[DenverOfTheEast]

I promise to my core this is not meant as an I told you so. I said this was a lazy hire. I have asked questions about the hire from basically day 1 (Dec. '19).

Clark was never qualified for the job. I went back and looked, his biggest supporters (and there were tons of them) talked about his love for App, that he bleeds Black & Gold, that the players wanted him, that he understands our culture. All that is great, and it's important, BUT those aren't qualifications.

We have been plagued by games where the team doesn't seem motivated or prepared. That was the case in his first game (Marshall). It has not been all bad. But it has not been good. Years ago we talked about the car--keys to a Cadillac or a Ferrari. No one seemed to care that the keys were handed over to a driver with learner's permit experience.

Sums it up in Gold.

1) Job wasn't paying big money back then, couldn't afford a top P5 coordinator plus Dougie put a big buyout in if Clark left, wanted stability.
2) Locker room of players just went through a change the December in 2018 when Satt left and they had a big voice in 2019.
3) It was a feel good hire at the time for sure

Clark did win 10 games his first year....not awful by any means

I will say there is a reason Clark wasn't offered a job to go with Satt to Ville, Satt hired Ledford over him. He and Watts were left behind and stuck on with Drink.

[appstatealum]

Interesting that he has always said "it's a player led team". Is that because he can't lead? He doesn't want that to fall back on him? Putting all the blame on the kids?

I personally don't want any players leading a team nowadays. The Akeem Davis Gaithers and Taylor Lambs were a last of their generation.

[AppStFan1]

If the buyout is 1 million dollars, how bout going out and buying some players.

You're not investing your monies properly. Pay to keep JA and pay to keep that kicker, if Clark leaves that kicker will be in Morgantown in 2024!!!

Need some DB's, Need some WR that aren't afraid to catch a slant route, need some lineman that don't get dumb penalties in the first quarter, need a linebacker that won't arm tackle, more I think about it need every thing but a QB and a kicker.

Instead of buying out the coach go buy some talent for the next coach.....

If we don’t have any talent then how did we play UNC so close? We have talent but they are making a ton of mistakes and not executing.

If we don’t have talent then missing on talent evals and development is on coaching. After 4 years we are getting what we are going to get.

To answer your question; we played good and UNC probably wasn't motivated, about like App State vs ULM, same mindset.
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Ok then pay the 1 million buy out and pay the new guy 1.2 million a year for 5 years = (7 million dollar investment this winter) and

HE (the new coach) will sit at the spring Yosef Club caravan, while everyone shakes his hand, will say "we need NIL money to get good players".

So therefore I ask the question what's the difference, pay a new guy or pay players. That's the name of the game. Cause the roster currently will NOT stay intact if a new guy comes to town.

You have argued we don't have enough talent to win these games. You say UNC played down to us. Okay then why would we pay players to play (what you describe is pay for play and not NIL) if they are not that good? If our roster is not that good like you were saying, then why would we want to keep them and not have turnover so we could improve?

It makes no sense if you say we don't have good players but we desperately have to pay these so called bad players to stay.

[AppStFan1]

Interesting that he has always said "it's a player led team". Is that because he can't lead? He doesn't want that to fall back on him? Putting all the blame on the kids?

I personally don't want any players leading a team nowadays. The Akeem Davis Gaithers and Taylor Lambs were a last of their generation.

Agreed. The coaches have to lead.

[BambooRdApp]

Interesting that he has always said "it's a player led team". Is that because he can't lead? He doesn't want that to fall back on him? Putting all the blame on the kids?

I personally don't want any players leading a team nowadays. The Akeem Davis Gaithers and Taylor Lambs were a last of their generation.

Agreed. The coaches have to lead.

I have never heard Clark put blame on players. When asked a question about a particular play, he will if player had turnover or whatever. The PRs I have listened to...he seems to put it in the coaches and everyone needs to get better, etc.

[AppStFan1]

Interesting that he has always said "it's a player led team". Is that because he can't lead? He doesn't want that to fall back on him? Putting all the blame on the kids?

I personally don't want any players leading a team nowadays. The Akeem Davis Gaithers and Taylor Lambs were a last of their generation.

Agreed. The coaches have to lead.

I have never heard Clark put blame on players. When asked a question about a particular play, he will if player had turnover or whatever. The PRs I have listened to...he seems to put it in the coaches and everyone needs to get better, etc.

I’m not talking about blame but just saying coaches have to lead in general. They are suppose to have coaches lead them. You have leaders within locker room but the players can’t be in charge of program like it sounds when he says player led program.

[BambooRdApp]

Interesting that he has always said "it's a player led team". Is that because he can't lead? He doesn't want that to fall back on him? Putting all the blame on the kids?

I personally don't want any players leading a team nowadays. The Akeem Davis Gaithers and Taylor Lambs were a last of their generation.

Agreed. The coaches have to lead.

I have never heard Clark put blame on players. When asked a question about a particular play, he will if player had turnover or whatever. The PRs I have listened to...he seems to put it in the coaches and everyone needs to get better, etc.

I’m not talking about blame but just saying coaches have to lead in general. They are suppose to have coaches lead them. You have leaders within locker room but the players can’t be in charge of program like it sounds when he says player led program.

That is not what he is indicating when he has said that in past...or now
Every coach wants a player led program as it relates to culture and teaching younger players, etc.

[AppStFan1]

I personally don't want any players leading a team nowadays. The Akeem Davis Gaithers and Taylor Lambs were a last of their generation.

Agreed. The coaches have to lead.

I have never heard Clark put blame on players. When asked a question about a particular play, he will if player had turnover or whatever. The PRs I have listened to...he seems to put it in the coaches and everyone needs to get better, etc.

I’m not talking about blame but just saying coaches have to lead in general. They are suppose to have coaches lead them. You have leaders within locker room but the players can’t be in charge of program like it sounds when he says player led program.

That is not what he is indicating when he has said that in past...or now
Every coach wants a player led program as it relates to culture and teaching younger players, etc.

I think AppStateAlum might be right but I'm willing to see how well the teaching of young players by our vets helps us over the next month.

[appdaze]

Steve Wilks

49s DC. we can't afford him.

[appdaze]

If the buyout is 1 million dollars, how bout going out and buying some players.

You're not investing your monies properly. Pay to keep JA and pay to keep that kicker, if Clark leaves that kicker will be in Morgantown in 2024!!!

Need some DB's, Need some WR that aren't afraid to catch a slant route, need some lineman that don't get dumb penalties in the first quarter, need a linebacker that won't arm tackle, more I think about it need every thing but a QB and a kicker.

Instead of buying out the coach go buy some talent for the next coach.....

If we don’t have any talent then how did we play UNC so close? We have talent but they are making a ton of mistakes and not executing.

If we don’t have talent then missing on talent evals and development is on coaching. After 4 years we are getting what we are going to get.

To answer your question; we played good and UNC probably wasn't motivated, about like App State vs ULM, same mindset.
____________________
Ok then pay the 1 million buy out and pay the new guy 1.2 million a year for 5 years = (7 million dollar investment this winter) and

HE (the new coach) will sit at the spring Yosef Club caravan, while everyone shakes his hand, will say "we need NIL money to get good players".

So therefore I ask the question what's the difference, pay a new guy or pay players. That's the name of the game. Cause the roster currently will NOT stay intact if a new guy comes to town.

You can do both. Those are different pots of money. Our coaches are state employees but the state pays only a small amount of the salary. The rest comes from other athletic funds, but for now this is 99% separate from the NIL piggybank, though I expect hat will change.

[ASU843]

If the buyout is 1 million dollars, how bout going out and buying some players.

You're not investing your monies properly. Pay to keep JA and pay to keep that kicker, if Clark leaves that kicker will be in Morgantown in 2024!!!

Need some DB's, Need some WR that aren't afraid to catch a slant route, need some lineman that don't get dumb penalties in the first quarter, need a linebacker that won't arm tackle, more I think about it need every thing but a QB and a kicker.

Instead of buying out the coach go buy some talent for the next coach.....

If we don’t have any talent then how did we play UNC so close? We have talent but they are making a ton of mistakes and not executing.

If we don’t have talent then missing on talent evals and development is on coaching. After 4 years we are getting what we are going to get.

To answer your question; we played good and UNC probably wasn't motivated, about like App State vs ULM, same mindset.
____________________
Ok then pay the 1 million buy out and pay the new guy 1.2 million a year for 5 years = (7 million dollar investment this winter) and

HE (the new coach) will sit at the spring Yosef Club caravan, while everyone shakes his hand, will say "we need NIL money to get good players".

So therefore I ask the question what's the difference, pay a new guy or pay players. That's the name of the game. Cause the roster currently will NOT stay intact if a new guy comes to town.

You have argued we don't have enough talent to win these games. You say UNC played down to us. Okay then why would we pay players to play (what you describe is pay for play and not NIL) if they are not that good? If our roster is not that good like you were saying, then why would we want to keep them and not have turnover so we could improve?

It makes no sense if you say we don't have good players but we desperately have to pay these so called bad players to stay.

DOTE will be singing his same song even if we go 2-9 this year. Not counting GW game.

[AppDub]

Steve Wilks

49s DC. we can't afford him.

Aware of who he is. People asked for names. I gave a name. They didn't specify it had to be one that we could afford.

[yosef69]

Not text the Circle of Excellence members and ask them "do you have my back if I make a move?"

For once we agree. And we share a contact apparently.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Not text the Circle of Excellence members and ask them "do you have my back if I make a move?"

For once we agree. And we share a contact apparently.

I've probably had a beer or a fun moment with all of you guys. So we share more than a contact.