Blair

[firemoose]

I said this in my previous post in this thread but it's not all that hard to figure out. Many college kids are going to drink, underage or not. Kids are going to make mistakes. That's a given. It's not that hard to make arrangements. There is a service on campus that offers rides. There are also taxi's up until a certain time. Designate a driver (since I don't drink I've done that for years, even back in college). There are some kids who don't drink and have a valid license. All it takes is a little thinking before hand and to be smart.

Hopefully something good will come out of this situation.

[firemoose]

.04 give me a break, did they check him for poppy seeds too!

Agreed, a couple of beers isn't the end of the world. Personally, I feel if someone is old enough to fight and die for their county they are old enough to have a beer. Just don't get behind the wheel when you do. By the way, I had a few this past weekend myself.

Well us old farts remember when the same was said about the vote (it use to be 21 and they had the draft), I was one of the first rounds of 18 year old voters.

Beer and wind sales were 18 (until I went in the army and the military ID made you automatically 21 in the NCO club).

Sadly,when I got out, Boone was dry but that made 321 to Blowing Rock an interesting trip so it was a trade off. Or if you really needed a laugh you could ride your bike to Mountain City, TN on a beer run.

I tell my kids the "don't drink and drive" line as well, but I also say, if you ever, ever have to get somewhere after drinking, pay a cab, friend or me (if at home) no questions asked (then). I don't know if that would work on players (some might think that's promoting drinking) but I just like to be practically and I don't really expect 19,20, 21 year olds to be perfect. Plus I think everyone makes better decision after they sober up, lol.

Sorry Maddog. We must have been typing at the same time. Didn't mean to repeat some of your points.

[Gonzo]

We love talking about "in the old days", well in the old days the cop would have scare the crap out of the kid and sent him home, or got his coach involved. Stop pointing fingers and trying to destroy this kid for a minute and think, what do you really think will keep the campus safer. Reporting him to the coach and the coach working his butt off, or causing him to miss games or lose his scholarship (I'm sure that will give him for drinking again)? To me that's what wrong today, no one can use common sense or make a judgement call.

Ah yes, discretion: the lost art and almost completely unused element of modern law enforcement. Let us not dilute ourselves into thinking that enforcement of such a law is motivated by anything whatsoever other than a ticket quota and a quest for revenue for the area's police department.

[Maddog1956]

I agree in the "old days" police handled things differently. Unfortunately the number of incidents have increased dramatically along with the number of cars on the roads. Studies indicate college drinking has gone up significantly since the 80's. Put yourself in the shoes of the officers. I do not think for one minute they are out to get anyone or make examples of students. They are sworn to uphold the law and I appreciate the job they do. Many of the same people who curse and defile police officers are the first to run to them when things go bad. Then if they don't respond in a manner to their liking they get run down again. I don't envy the position police officers are put in day after day.

Yea lets just excuse this since all college kids drink and this is just expected behavior and no big deal. Society is doing young people a huge disservice by allowing them to do as they wish. I fear we are raising a generation of spoiled brats.

BTW, this was not Blair's first offense. He was in court answering to a previous underage drinking charge a few hours before getting these two. It was said the judge was willing to dismiss that charge if he stayed out of trouble for a year. He goes out and does the same thing again within hours of this? Are you kidding me? I would like for some of the apologists to explain how that type of reaction isn't contempt and a lack of respect for authority.

I agree the priors change my thoughts on the subject!

I don't think society is really any worst however in general, we just hear more of it and we're getting older. The 20's was roaring, in the 30's they killed each other over alcohol, in the 40's the wives cheated on their husband "over there", in the 50's started that "devil's" rock and roll and hot rod/biker gangs, 60's tuned in and dropped out, etc, etc.

When ever I hear "kids today" I read this quote. I believe he was pretty much on the money!

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”


― Socrates 469 BC – 399 BC

[Gonzo]

I do not think for one minute they are out to get anyone or make examples of students.

Well then you, sir, are ignorant to the dynamic of police work in the Boone area.

Society is doing young people a huge disservice by allowing them to do as they wish.

Freedom is bad. Uncle Sam knows best. Heil Hitler.

[Maddog1956]

Sorry Maddog. We must have been typing at the same time. Didn't mean to repeat some of your points.

NP, maybe that means I'm not totally crazy after all (be sure to read the "totally" part).

This isn't directed at you either, just sticking it on here so I don't have to make another post.

I wasn't really trying to attack anyone either, but I think if we really do have a problem we need to focus more on how to fix it, other than who to blame or in pointing fingers. We can't fix everyone, some kids are just going to mess up, but there are options for driving (especially with revoked license), so why aren't they using them? Were they not available, is it a manly thing, didn't have the funds, are they not informed, or is it not stressed, or are we just picking the wrong kids.

I'm not saying we should shift responsibility away from the kids, but I'm asking, is it a problem and what can make it better and also that we should be a little supportive even when they fail, because let's face it they are going to.

[WVAPPeer]

Studies indicate college drinking has gone up significantly since the 80's.

Are they referring to underage drinking? The drinking age was 18 when I was in school, so obviously very few people in college would get in trouble for underage drinking.

yep - me too, of course I am guilty for the first few months in college while I was still 17 ---

[firemoose]

Sorry Maddog. We must have been typing at the same time. Didn't mean to repeat some of your points.

NP, maybe that means I'm not totally crazy after all (be sure to read the "totally" part).

Maybe I'm not the best judge on the crazy part. I am the one in the pretty white room with the soft walls who just sits around typing and waiting for my food to be slid through the slot in the door.

[ASUGoose]

Sit him for the first half of the Elon game and be done with it.

[skjellyfetti]

I drank underage... so, don't really feel like I can cast a stone here.

[ASUMountaineer]

I drank underage... so, don't really feel like I can cast a stone here.

I did too, and had the luxury of not being a scholarship athlete.

[Kgfish]

I do not think for one minute they are out to get anyone or make examples of students.

Well then you, sir, are ignorant to the dynamic of police work in the Boone area.

Society is doing young people a huge disservice by allowing them to do as they wish.

Freedom is bad. Uncle Sam knows best. Heil Hitler.

Nice try at using the absurd. I've know a lot of ASU students who were not harassed by Boone or ASU Police their entire college stay. But they weren't being loud and obnoxious at 1 AM, staggering along the sidewalk, puking in people's yards or on public streets, driving with a "buzz" on, running stop signs or weaving as they drive.

You young un's can make fun of the old days all you want but back then punishment had a sting to it and it was taken seriously. Today they get a slap on the wrist and a warning they better be good little boys and girls. Meanwhile jails and homeless shelters are filled with people who benefited from our ever increasing lackadaisical judicial system. A lot of people today no longer have a healthy fear of the law or police. God forbid that a teacher or school administrator hurt little Johnny's feelings by disciplining him to try and get him on the right track.

[skjellyfetti]

I drank underage... so, don't really feel like I can cast a stone here.

I did too, and had the luxury of not being a scholarship athlete.

I was a scholarship athlete. Luckily, it was an Olympic sport, though... so, no attention given outside the team for minor f**k ups.

[asutrnr81]

I can GUARANTEE you that the same things happened in the late 70's and early 80's and because of the times and no social media and the "kind" of enforcement that was taken up then...that most if not all of these kinds of incidents were handled by the coaches in Football, Men's and Women's basketball, Wrestling, Baseball and track. Then W*rk*ng came and we had employees drinking with the players..... and now social media........

....and now we have message board's where all of us old farts can judge a person and scream and yell and pontificate....and sound like we are so pure.

As my grandma said: "...you boys are gonna git in trouble, because those old people don't like no kids."

#Gottalovethejudges!

[Kgfish]

I drank underage... so, don't really feel like I can cast a stone here.

I did too, and had the luxury of not being a scholarship athlete.

I was a scholarship athlete. Luckily, it was an Olympic sport, though... so, no attention given outside the team for minor f**k ups.

Good job in taking the MMB to a new low.

[skjellyfetti]

Ooops. I'm sorry. I'll play along.

rabble rabble rabble

we should have zero tolerance for underage drinking.

rabble rabble rabble

[Yosef84]

I am disappointed in Blair, but honestly I can't put this one in the same category as some other infractions. It was a significant lapse in judgement, but he was not disrespectful to the officer. His behavior is not maliscious, mean spirited, or predatory. I do think the coaches should address it, but I would not venture to tell them what they should do. It puts them in a toug spot coming so close on the heels of the Price incident and being his second infraction. I just think the nature of both infractions is somewhat less and it doesn't seem to have the "public policy" teeth of other issues.

[sixtoes9134]

Full disclosure:

I got ticketed in Boone for drinking and driving in 1984, my freshman year. Lived in Coltrane and got busted driving up Stadium drive by the duck pond at 11:30 on a Friday night. This was 1984. It was embarrassing for sure because lots of people saw it happen and I was literally feet away from my room.

I was not an athlete at App State.

Since I graduated I have done pretty well for myself, I have had some years where I have made really good money and other years not so much.

I now have a freshman at App State.

I had to spend significant amounts of time and energy looking into grants and loans to help pay for her education as I have two younger kids who are right behind her. My daughter's tuition is 1/3 grants, 1/3 loans and 1/3 cash payment.

When ASU calls, I give. I also give to the YOSEF club.

What really chaps my ass is that these guys have everything given to them on a silver platter, 60k worth of education, meanwhile I have loans to pay back and money to continue to donate to my church and my alma mater.

Just do us all a favor, athletes and find a f**cking ride home or walk, Boone is not that damn big.

[Robert Norton]

In one of my annuals, can't remember which one, I am class of "72, QB Pat Murphy is shown in a picture at Antlers drinking a beer.

[Gonzo]

[quote="Kgfish"][quote="Gonzo"][quote="Kgfish"]I do not think for one minute they are out to get anyone or make examples of students.[/quote]
Well then you, sir, are ignorant to the dynamic of police work in the Boone area.

[quote="Kgfish"]Society is doing young people a huge disservice by allowing them to do as they wish.[/quote]
Freedom is bad. Uncle Sam knows best. Heil Hitler.[/quote]


Nice try at using the absurd. I've know a lot of ASU students who were not harassed by Boone or ASU Police their entire college stay. But they weren't being loud and obnoxious at 1 AM, staggering along the sidewalk, puking in people's yards or on public streets, driving with a "buzz" on, running stop signs or weaving as they drive.

You young un's can make fun of the old days all you want but back then punishment had a sting to it and it was taken seriously. Today they get a slap on the wrist and a warning they better be good little boys and girls. Meanwhile jails and homeless shelters are filled with people who [i]benefited[/i] from our ever increasing lackadaisical judicial system. A lot of people today no longer have a healthy fear of the law or police. God forbid that a teacher or school administrator hurt little Johnny's feelings by disciplining him to try and get him on the right track.[/quote]

And I suppose it's hard to stagger along the sidewalk, puke in people's yard or on public streets, drive with a "buzz" on, run stop signs or weave as you drive when you're busy walking up hill both ways barefoot in the snow. I'm not some wiper snapper college age guy that you're used to lecturing, but I am young enough to empathize with 18-22 year olds instead of writing them off as subhuman crazies, unworthy of rights as Americans and adults.

The vast majority of the kids that get busted in Boone aren't behaving in the exaggerated manner in which you've been characterizing. Most of them are good kids that decided to innocently try the devil's prune juice and aren't hurting anybody.

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