Blair

[TurfMonkey]

To: Black Saturday... That was the Greatest Thread in the 13 year history of the MMB. Somebody should reprint it.

[Kgfish]

We certainly don't want law enforcement officials doing their job do we? I've not heard or read any accusations of Boone & ASU Campus Police pulling people over just to harass them to see if they have been drinking. Until you produce some actual instances - not hearsay - I'd keep those accusations in check.

These kids - and I will refer to them as kids as long as they show little to no ability to act like a mature adults - need to be taught a lesson. I'm personally fed up with these pampered athletes thumbing their noses at those who donate their hard earned money to pay their way to school. If they can't show any more respect and appreciation for the people who are footing the bill for them to attend ASU I'm not sure I want to continue giving. I realize for every knuckle head there are a 100 who do appreciate what Yosef Clubbers do for them. I certainly hope Scott makes character a high priority in recruiting because even though Jerry Moore preached it, he sure had a lot of players who were lacking in it.

Players suspended or kicked off team for violating team or NCAA rules since 2007: Price, Barnes, Lamm, Lott, Rizor, Dufort, Gainey, McDuffie, Tanyi, Hillary, Wray, & Reine. Players who simply went away : Derek Evans, Ron Henderson, Tysen Holloway, Greg Hall, Matt Privette, Dylan Bostic, Trevor Sawyer, Darius Smith, Jordan gary, Chad Turner, Nick Sloan and DeMorris Brooks.

"Pampered athletes"? You must be kidding. I doubt he was thumbing his nose at anything, he had a couple of beers. It happens. He doesn't owe the people that footed his scholarship bill a thing. Nothing. The people gave money to the school and the school awards scholarships. His duty is to the school and for that matter he doesn't "owe" anything. He EARNED the scholarship. If he wants to keep it he will have to stay within the lines but he doesn't "owe" anything to anyone.

If you don't think athletes, esp football players, at ASU aren't pampered you are living under a rock. Exactly how do athletes earn scholarships? Do they pass a specific test, win a contest? Have higher test scores or better grades than other athletes in their given sport? Do they try or work harder than their teammates? Or is it they were simply blessed at birth with the physical tools necessary to help coaches win athletic contests? I never used the word "owe" in my post, but since you went down that road I'll oblige you. I think anybody with a meager amount of common sense - which seems to be in short supply these days - would have the decency to show some respect and appreciation to the people providing them a free education. Most don't expect them to be All Conference or All American but do expect scholarship athletes conduct themselves in such a manner as to not embarrass their team, coaches and most importantly OUR school. Sorry if you think that is too much to ask. I'm willing to bet Charlie Cobb, Scott Satterfield, Chancellor Peacock, the Board of Trustees and a whole lot of Yosef Club members don't.

[Kgfish]

To: Black Saturday... That was the Greatest Thread in the 13 year history of the MMB. Somebody should reprint it.

If anyone remembers it will be Appsolutely.

[AppinVA]

To: Black Saturday... That was the Greatest Thread in the 13 year history of the MMB. Somebody should reprint it.

I'm always up for a good AA thread.

[Gonzo]

I tell people time and time again: Boone is not the town in which to buzz drive. They are everywhere and they have nothing better to do. (for the record .04=~1-2 beers and I highly doubt the cop's claim of "strong odor of alcohol" was made in good faith-- but alas, it doesn't matter. He is under age and can't legally drink a drop and there is no way to prove the pigImean officer didn't have reasonable suspicion to deploy a breathalyzer)

Also, why is he out drinking during the season? I know it's a bye week, but come on. Be smart.

The meaningless season groupthink strikes again.

We certainly don't want law enforcement officials doing their job do we? I've not heard or read any accusations of Boone & ASU Campus Police pulling people over just to harass them to see if they have been drinking. Until you produce some actual instances - not hearsay - I'd keep those accusations in check.

Doing their job might not entail falsely citing an unlikely odor to cover up profiling as probable cause to suspect he'd been drinking.

There has been no formal indictment of the Boone PD/ASU police ect at this point. Not yet anyway. But I assure you that things like discriminatory enforcement, entrapment and informant blackmail are very much active issues in the area just like they are across the country, whether you care to believe it or not. The town is very much over--and in some cases illegally--policed, and by a laundry list of agencies to boot.

ANYWAYYY, it doesn't matter, because Blair indeed broke a law and received a ticket, like so many others. He is responsible and this was a *shake my head* moment when I read the news. He has no one to blame but himself and I certainly hope this is the end of the trend on our team.

O/U on game suspensions: 3.5 sound good?

[APPSTATE-H3]

Guess we are now a drinking team with a football problem.

And so far this year, not a very good football problem.

[appbio91]

Guess we are now a drinking team with a football problem.

And so far this year, not a very good football problem.

I have faith that this team will turn it around. Anyhow I will take this over 2011 any day. "Coaches" (in quotes because he was such a moron) having sex with students, multiple players accused of all sorts of debauchery etc. I can take a few losses in a low motivation year. Just please don't make me relive Moore's last couple years.

[WVAPPeer]

kgfish ---
In your mind just tell yourself that the hard earned money you donated is actually going to the women's soccer player with the 4.0 and the men's track athlete with the 3.98 both of whom are quality young adults - that might help when things like this occasionally take the forefront ---

[Maddog1956]

He without sin cast the first stone... or in this case, those that have never made a mistake...

College students drink, period. Hopefully they don't drive when they do, but regretfully many do. Hopefully, most that do, do like Blair does/did and either wait until it's mostly out of his system or only have a couple. Yes underage is illegal in any amount, so let's have a dragnet on campus and see what we come up with. It's sad in a small town like Boone the cops don't work with getting under age drinkers home, instead of giving them tickets. I like to ask myself WWAD (what would andy do).

Scholarships are neither earned or given it's actually a payment for service. The kid (and yes they are kids without the ability to think like a 30 year old adult) plays for the school and he is paid for his service, nothing more nothing less. While the school should expect them to be somewhat responsible they are kids (see above) and are not going to be 100% perfect. (Also unless someone is 100% they shouldn't expect it of others anyway).

We love talking about "in the old days", well in the old days the cop would have scare the crap out of the kid and sent him home, or got his coach involved. Stop pointing fingers and trying to destroy this kid for a minute and think, what do you really think will keep the campus safer. Reporting him to the coach and the coach working his butt off, or causing him to miss games or lose his scholarship (I'm sure that will give him for drinking again)? To me that's what wrong today, no one can use common sense or make a judgement call.

This is based on being caught the first time, Price it seemed was a repeater.

BTW, It seem kind of mean spirited to bringing up players that had some MINOR infraction with the law. Maybe we should try some forgiveness? I'm sure a lot of this players have put it behind them and maybe we should also.

.04 give me a break, did they check him for poppy seeds too!

[Kgfish]

kgfish ---
In your mind just tell yourself that the hard earned money you donated is actually going to the women's soccer player with the 4.0 and the men's track athlete with the 3.98 both of whom are quality young adults - that might help when things like this occasionally take the forefront ---

A friend and I had that same discussion a few days ago. More specifically designating which sport our money goes to.

[appbio91]

The old days (25years ago) were actually quite similar. I got a ticket for underage consumption walking down King St. The cop told me most pedestrians who get hit by cars have been drinking. So to protect me he gave me a ticket and put me out of the car to go about my business.
In Blair's case except for the fact that he was underage the drinking is not an issue at all. If he had been 21+ all we would have read was speeding and driving w/o a licence. Most of us who have a beer or two with a meal have been at 0.04 I am sure. Extra running and community service and move on.

[appbio91]

kgfish ---
In your mind just tell yourself that the hard earned money you donated is actually going to the women's soccer player with the 4.0 and the men's track athlete with the 3.98 both of whom are quality young adults - that might help when things like this occasionally take the forefront ---

A friend and I had that same discussion a few days ago. More specifically designating which sport our money goes to.

Would love that idea. Mine would go to softball hands down no question.

[Kgfish]

He without sin cast the first stone... or in this case, those that have never made a mistake...

College students drink, period. Hopefully they don't drive when they do, but regretfully many do. Hopefully, most that do, do like Blair does/did and either wait until it's mostly out of his system or only have a couple. Yes underage is illegal in any amount, so let's have a dragnet on campus and see what we come up with. It's sad in a small town like Boone the cops don't work with getting under age drinkers home, instead of giving them tickets. I like to ask myself WWAD (what would andy do).

Scholarships are neither earned or given it's actually a payment for service. The kid (and yes they are kids without the ability to think like a 30 year old adult) plays for the school and he is paid for his service, nothing more nothing less. While the school should expect them to be somewhat responsible they are kids (see above) and are not going to be 100% perfect. (Also unless someone is 100% they shouldn't expect it of others anyway).

We love talking about "in the old days", well in the old days the cop would have scare the crap out of the kid and sent him home, or got his coach involved. Stop pointing fingers and trying to destroy this kid for a minute and think, what do you really think will keep the campus safer. Reporting him to the coach and the coach working his butt off, or causing him to miss games or lose his scholarship (I'm sure that will give him for drinking again)? To me that's what wrong today, no one can use common sense or make a judgement call.

This is based on being caught the first time, Price it seemed was a repeater.

BTW, It seem kind of mean spirited to bringing up players that had some MINOR infraction with the law. Maybe we should try some forgiveness? I'm sure a lot of this players have put it behind them and maybe we should also.

.04 give me a break, did they check him for poppy seeds too!

I agree in the "old days" police handled things differently. Unfortunately the number of incidents have increased dramatically along with the number of cars on the roads. Studies indicate college drinking has gone up significantly since the 80's. Put yourself in the shoes of the officers. I do not think for one minute they are out to get anyone or make examples of students. They are sworn to uphold the law and I appreciate the job they do. Many of the same people who curse and defile police officers are the first to run to them when things go bad. Then if they don't respond in a manner to their liking they get run down again. I don't envy the position police officers are put in day after day.

Yea lets just excuse this since all college kids drink and this is just expected behavior and no big deal. Society is doing young people a huge disservice by allowing them to do as they wish. I fear we are raising a generation of spoiled brats.

BTW, this was not Blair's first offense. He was in court answering to a previous underage drinking charge a few hours before getting these two. It was said the judge was willing to dismiss that charge if he stayed out of trouble for a year. He goes out and does the same thing again within hours of this? Are you kidding me? I would like for some of the apologists to explain how that type of reaction isn't contempt and a lack of respect for authority.

[WataugaMan]

.04 give me a break, did they check him for poppy seeds too!

Agreed, a couple of beers isn't the end of the world. Personally, I feel if someone is old enough to fight and die for their county they are old enough to have a beer. Just don't get behind the wheel when you do. By the way, I had a few this past weekend myself.

[Maddog1956]

The old days (25years ago) were actually quite similar. I got a ticket for underage consumption walking down King St. The cop told me most pedestrians who get hit by cars have been drinking. So to protect me he gave me a ticket and put me out of the car to go about my business.

In Blair's case except for the fact that he was underage the drinking is not an issue at all. If he had been 21+ all we would have read was speeding and driving w/o a licence. Most of us who have a beer or two with a meal have been at 0.04 I am sure. Extra running and community service and move on.

I might have to back peddle a little here I didn't see that his license had been revoked and that he had another citation issued last year for underage drinking as well.

If nothing else I'd have a 24 hour service to pick up players "no questions" asked (at least at that time. lol I can't blame the coach but it seems like they need some talking to and being made aware what the facts are at least. When you get multiple citations, something isn't working.

[Dmanuhone]

If convicted he will lose his license for one year ( probably get a limited privilege), do community service minimum 20 hours, have a DWI assessment and do recommended counseling, pay fines and possible jail time. It's just like a DWI just has a different name.

If you are under 21 you cannot have any alcohol in your system or possession.

[Appsolutely]

Guess we are now a drinking team with a football problem.

And so far this year, not a very good football problem.

I have faith that this team will turn it around. Anyhow I will take this over 2011 any day. "Coaches" (in quotes because he was such a moron) having sex with students, multiple players accused of all sorts of debauchery etc. I can take a few losses in a low motivation year. Just please don't make me relive Moore's last couple years.

Yeah, back in 2011 our guys were "always attack[ing]" something other than alcohol. God help us all if that starts again.

[Appsolutely]

To: Black Saturday... That was the Greatest Thread in the 13 year history of the MMB. Somebody should reprint it.

If anyone remembers it will be Appsolutely.

Yep, I remember the thread about Alan Bongwater quite clearly. He definitely took some hits.

[TheMoody1]

Studies indicate college drinking has gone up significantly since the 80's.

Are they referring to underage drinking? The drinking age was 18 when I was in school, so obviously very few people in college would get in trouble for underage drinking.

[Maddog1956]

.04 give me a break, did they check him for poppy seeds too!

Agreed, a couple of beers isn't the end of the world. Personally, I feel if someone is old enough to fight and die for their county they are old enough to have a beer. Just don't get behind the wheel when you do. By the way, I had a few this past weekend myself.

Well us old farts remember when the same was said about the vote (it use to be 21 and they had the draft), I was one of the first rounds of 18 year old voters.

Beer and wind sales were 18 (until I went in the army and the military ID made you automatically 21 in the NCO club).

Sadly,when I got out, Boone was dry but that made 321 to Blowing Rock an interesting trip so it was a trade off. Or if you really needed a laugh you could ride your bike to Mountain City, TN on a beer run.

I tell my kids the "don't drink and drive" line as well, but I also say, if you ever, ever have to get somewhere after drinking, pay a cab, friend or me (if at home) no questions asked (then). I don't know if that would work on players (some might think that's promoting drinking) but I just like to be practically and I don't really expect 19,20, 21 year olds to be perfect. Plus I think everyone makes better decision after they sober up, lol.