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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:55 am

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Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:51 am
We have not been prepared to play in most games. Every game it seems teams score on their first possession. We seem to always be behind from the get-go. Reminds me of the Fla. A&M playoff game some years back when we knew exactly what they did going in to the game then we did not stop them from doing it all game. We have made some adjustments but by that time we seem to always be playing from behind. Lack of proper preparation and motivation seems to me to be a real problem. Seems like with the poor line play that we should be getting the ball out quicker, too.
The first possession score isn't anything new. That's happened since Satt days. It's because we play base, let the opponent run their scripted offense to see what their plan is, then adjust.

I personally don't agree with it, but let's not act like it's only been a problem with this staff...
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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by pop5app » Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:08 pm

It’s not the only problem. But it is a problem. And since it is the first issue of the game I’d start there.

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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by Longrifle28 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:10 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:55 am
pop5app wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:51 am
We have not been prepared to play in most games. Every game it seems teams score on their first possession. We seem to always be behind from the get-go. Reminds me of the Fla. A&M playoff game some years back when we knew exactly what they did going in to the game then we did not stop them from doing it all game. We have made some adjustments but by that time we seem to always be playing from behind. Lack of proper preparation and motivation seems to me to be a real problem. Seems like with the poor line play that we should be getting the ball out quicker, too.
The first possession score isn't anything new. That's happened since Satt days. It's because we play base, let the opponent run their scripted offense to see what their plan is, then adjust.

I personally don't agree with it, but let's not act like it's only been a problem with this staff...
Goes back beyond Satterfield....
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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by BeauFoster » Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:18 pm

Longrifle28 wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:10 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:55 am
pop5app wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:51 am
We have not been prepared to play in most games. Every game it seems teams score on their first possession. We seem to always be behind from the get-go. Reminds me of the Fla. A&M playoff game some years back when we knew exactly what they did going in to the game then we did not stop them from doing it all game. We have made some adjustments but by that time we seem to always be playing from behind. Lack of proper preparation and motivation seems to me to be a real problem. Seems like with the poor line play that we should be getting the ball out quicker, too.
The first possession score isn't anything new. That's happened since Satt days. It's because we play base, let the opponent run their scripted offense to see what their plan is, then adjust.

I personally don't agree with it, but let's not act like it's only been a problem with this staff...
Goes back beyond Satterfield....
There were plenty of first drive TDs under Wiley. We’ve had a “bend don’t break” mentality off and on since 2005.

2006 was a thing of beauty, though.
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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by MrCraig » Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:39 pm

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Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:25 pm
As mentioned earlier, we are simply getting beat up front. No amount of creative play calling will fix that issue. You can hide it for a while but bad O line play will always catch up to you. We will find a way to develop or replace the current group or have the same results next year. Won’t matter who the QB is or if he can run or not. I’m pulling for the current group but come the first of the year they are going to have to live in the weight room and cultivate a desire to punish the guy across the line from them. When’s the last time you saw an App O lineman take the guy in front of him and push him out of bounds and through the benches? I think it was at TN. That was a long time ago.
Our o-line used to be "nasty" in that they seemed to revel in blowing open huge holes and blocking dudes into the sun. Now our o-line is "nasty" in that they like to play overly emotionally, dirty, and get numerous unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by AppState89 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:28 am

MrCraig wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:39 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:25 pm
As mentioned earlier, we are simply getting beat up front. No amount of creative play calling will fix that issue. You can hide it for a while but bad O line play will always catch up to you. We will find a way to develop or replace the current group or have the same results next year. Won’t matter who the QB is or if he can run or not. I’m pulling for the current group but come the first of the year they are going to have to live in the weight room and cultivate a desire to punish the guy across the line from them. When’s the last time you saw an App O lineman take the guy in front of him and push him out of bounds and through the benches? I think it was at TN. That was a long time ago.
Our o-line used to be "nasty" in that they seemed to revel in blowing open huge holes and blocking dudes into the sun. Now our o-line is "nasty" in that they like to play overly emotionally, dirty, and get numerous unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.
Our O-line needs to play like Parker Collins did. Now he played "nasty", not dirty. He made sure the D-line guy in front of him knew he was in charge from the 1st play of the game.
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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by MrCraig » Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:29 am

AppState89 wrote:
Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:28 am
MrCraig wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:39 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:25 pm
As mentioned earlier, we are simply getting beat up front. No amount of creative play calling will fix that issue. You can hide it for a while but bad O line play will always catch up to you. We will find a way to develop or replace the current group or have the same results next year. Won’t matter who the QB is or if he can run or not. I’m pulling for the current group but come the first of the year they are going to have to live in the weight room and cultivate a desire to punish the guy across the line from them. When’s the last time you saw an App O lineman take the guy in front of him and push him out of bounds and through the benches? I think it was at TN. That was a long time ago.
Our o-line used to be "nasty" in that they seemed to revel in blowing open huge holes and blocking dudes into the sun. Now our o-line is "nasty" in that they like to play overly emotionally, dirty, and get numerous unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.
Our O-line needs to play like Parker Collins did. Now he played "nasty", not dirty. He made sure the D-line guy in front of him knew he was in charge from the 1st play of the game.
Exactly! Collins, Colby Gossett, Kendall Lamm; those are the guys I had in mind. They let you know exactly who was boss on play #1, and took every chance to remind you after that, all without stupid penalties that backed the offense up 15 yards.

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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by spacemonkey » Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:42 am

MrCraig wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:39 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:25 pm
As mentioned earlier, we are simply getting beat up front. No amount of creative play calling will fix that issue. You can hide it for a while but bad O line play will always catch up to you. We will find a way to develop or replace the current group or have the same results next year. Won’t matter who the QB is or if he can run or not. I’m pulling for the current group but come the first of the year they are going to have to live in the weight room and cultivate a desire to punish the guy across the line from them. When’s the last time you saw an App O lineman take the guy in front of him and push him out of bounds and through the benches? I think it was at TN. That was a long time ago.
Our o-line used to be "nasty" in that they seemed to revel in blowing open huge holes and blocking dudes into the sun. Now our o-line is "nasty" in that they like to play overly emotionally, dirty, and get numerous unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.
I used to call 'em "BIG NASTY"...they would play 5 minutes after the whistle blew. It was fun to watch. They would often take out a defensive back standing around a pile watching. NASTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by MrCraig » Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:47 am

spacemonkey wrote:
Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:42 am
MrCraig wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:39 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:25 pm
As mentioned earlier, we are simply getting beat up front. No amount of creative play calling will fix that issue. You can hide it for a while but bad O line play will always catch up to you. We will find a way to develop or replace the current group or have the same results next year. Won’t matter who the QB is or if he can run or not. I’m pulling for the current group but come the first of the year they are going to have to live in the weight room and cultivate a desire to punish the guy across the line from them. When’s the last time you saw an App O lineman take the guy in front of him and push him out of bounds and through the benches? I think it was at TN. That was a long time ago.
Our o-line used to be "nasty" in that they seemed to revel in blowing open huge holes and blocking dudes into the sun. Now our o-line is "nasty" in that they like to play overly emotionally, dirty, and get numerous unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.
I used to call 'em "BIG NASTY"...they would play 5 minutes after the whistle blew. It was fun to watch. They would often take out a defensive back standing around a pile watching. NASTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by JMappfan5 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:09 pm

Most of those previous OLs mentioned were NFL "caliber" linemen. I don't think these guys are physically as gifted. Tough to watch.

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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by Yosefus » Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:44 pm

Is our center this year a freshman? Or am I mistaken?
What is rest of the line group as far as starters go? Haven't kept up with it

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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by AppDub » Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:38 am

Yosefus wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:44 pm
Is our center this year a freshman? Or am I mistaken?
What is rest of the line group as far as starters go? Haven't kept up with it
Freshman Troy Everett started the year at center, but Isaiah Helms has taken over that duty. Not sure, but I think he is a junior.

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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by AppBox » Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:50 am

AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:55 am
pop5app wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:51 am
We have not been prepared to play in most games. Every game it seems teams score on their first possession. We seem to always be behind from the get-go. Reminds me of the Fla. A&M playoff game some years back when we knew exactly what they did going in to the game then we did not stop them from doing it all game. We have made some adjustments but by that time we seem to always be playing from behind. Lack of proper preparation and motivation seems to me to be a real problem. Seems like with the poor line play that we should be getting the ball out quicker, too.
The first possession score isn't anything new. That's happened since Satt days. It's because we play base, let the opponent run their scripted offense to see what their plan is, then adjust.

I personally don't agree with it, but let's not act like it's only been a problem with this staff...
First possession - more like first half. App had the lead at the half 3 times so far this season, and two of those were Citadel and RMU....

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Re: Clark Media/Press - 11/14

Unread post by Rekdiver » Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:23 am

The comment about “coaching scared” really caught me. I can see that.

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