Maye

[huskie3]

The interception. From my pov in NEZ the pass was on target, UNC guy sitting in zone and broke to the ball.

[AppStFan1]

The NFL clearly makes draft decisions based on small sample sizes in many occasions- see Trubisky. For me Chase looked really good Saturday. He can run when he needs to. I want my QB to be mobile enough to get away from fast defenders and scramble for 10 yards if necessary. It's great if he can scoot 40 yards but those plays and players are rare.

What you just said about rare players, that is Maye for sure. He is a definite high round pick unless he just crumbles between now and next year. He has the tools.

Brice was already on lists when teams came in to Boone prior to this game but he will definitely help himself if he continues to play like this. He should get some all-star game invites, a contract, and make a practice squad. He still over throws some passes and isn't a fluid runner but he does look better.

The new OC is also benefiting Brice. Anyone who does not know formations or can't just notice changes initially while watching a game go back and watch last year and compare to Saturday. There were significant changes. If Barbay continues what we saw and develops as I think, he could be the best OC we have had in a long time.

You make a valid point about overthrows, but some are intentional when the receiver is covered.

I'm only talking about the hand full of times the receiver was open and he just put too much on it. I remember one one time the receiver was going to the sideline and he was open but Brice put way too much on it. I'm not sure what he was thinking on the interception because he literally threw that right to the defender. Could have been a case of a messed up route but unless we know what the play call was it is hard to know if that was completely on Brice or the receiver as well.

I remember two bad throws from the game. The one above and a screen pass to Noel on 3rd and long. It was the perfect play call. Noel could have walked in to the end zone. But Brice threw a rocket from 5 feet away and Noel couldn't hang on. But two bad throws out of 36 is good. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have more than that every week.

I've said it since the first day I saw Brice on the practice field. He has the best arm talent we've ever had in black and gold. The mental part of the position was his weakness. I don't know if it's the difference in the OC, him connecting with Barbay better as a position coach, or all of the above, but Brice looked very crisp in his decision making.

Last year, he was thinking about it too much some times. This week, he saw and let it rip. If his first read was open, he let it fly.

Those two and there was one where we had a tight end (I believe ?) who was open on a post or similar route and he led him too much. I was not writing it down but I think I marked 4 that I thought were throws that a NFL QB has to make. The throw to the RB made me sick because I'm with you that result.

He definitely did better. That is why I said after the year I thought he has a chance but just has to improve and he appears to have done that. I want to see how he looks after 3-4 games but just based on UNC he appears to have more confidence and improved accuracy. I would still rank McCall first and then Brice second in the league but that could change between the shoulder injury for McCall and Brice's improvements. The race to first-team honors will be interesting.

[bigdaddyg]

I'm pretty sure Maye missed on one that would have probably gone to the house as well. I agree with most who think he put up pretty good numbers. These guys are human and they have hearts that pump- I'm sure sometimes fast. You have to believe that sometimes those wide open throws are tougher because they see their man open but get too juiced and either gun it or overthrow it. I'm sure that (probably) 4 or 5 star kid for LSU who muffed 2 punts would like those back.

[hapapp]

The NFL clearly makes draft decisions based on small sample sizes in many occasions- see Trubisky. For me Chase looked really good Saturday. He can run when he needs to. I want my QB to be mobile enough to get away from fast defenders and scramble for 10 yards if necessary. It's great if he can scoot 40 yards but those plays and players are rare.

What you just said about rare players, that is Maye for sure. He is a definite high round pick unless he just crumbles between now and next year. He has the tools.

Brice was already on lists when teams came in to Boone prior to this game but he will definitely help himself if he continues to play like this. He should get some all-star game invites, a contract, and make a practice squad. He still over throws some passes and isn't a fluid runner but he does look better.

The new OC is also benefiting Brice. Anyone who does not know formations or can't just notice changes initially while watching a game go back and watch last year and compare to Saturday. There were significant changes. If Barbay continues what we saw and develops as I think, he could be the best OC we have had in a long time.

You make a valid point about overthrows, but some are intentional when the receiver is covered.

I'm only talking about the hand full of times the receiver was open and he just put too much on it. I remember one one time the receiver was going to the sideline and he was open but Brice put way too much on it. I'm not sure what he was thinking on the interception because he literally threw that right to the defender. Could have been a case of a messed up route but unless we know what the play call was it is hard to know if that was completely on Brice or the receiver as well.

I remember two bad throws from the game. The one above and a screen pass to Noel on 3rd and long. It was the perfect play call. Noel could have walked in to the end zone. But Brice threw a rocket from 5 feet away and Noel couldn't hang on. But two bad throws out of 36 is good. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have more than that every week.

I've said it since the first day I saw Brice on the practice field. He has the best arm talent we've ever had in black and gold. The mental part of the position was his weakness. I don't know if it's the difference in the OC, him connecting with Barbay better as a position coach, or all of the above, but Brice looked very crisp in his decision making.

Last year, he was thinking about it too much some times. This week, he saw and let it rip. If his first read was open, he let it fly.

I was thinking that was Harrington, not Noel on the screen pass.

[AppStateNews]

You're right. It was Chop.

[Stonewall]

Offense played lights out , all postions .One play here , or one play there .One. And no dancing Mack.

[EastHallApp]

I know the "I don't know how to use Google" thing is your running schtick, but you've really outdone yourself on this one. From his bio on their official site:

Personal

Son of Mark and Aimee Maye • Dad, Mark, played football at UNC from 1983-88 • Brother, Luke, was a Tar Heel basketball great from 2015-19

https://goheels.com/sports/football/ros ... maye/23349

[appstate24]

I know the "I don't know how to use Google" thing is your running schtick, but you've really outdone yourself on this one. From his bio on their official site:

Personal

Son of Mark and Aimee Maye • Dad, Mark, played football at UNC from 1983-88 • Brother, Luke, was a Tar Heel basketball great from 2015-19

https://goheels.com/sports/football/ros ... maye/23349

Loves the attention, and REALLY loves playing the victim when he gets called out.

GO APPS!!

[BeauFoster]

I know the "I don't know how to use Google" thing is your running schtick, but you've really outdone yourself on this one. From his bio on their official site:

Personal

Son of Mark and Aimee Maye • Dad, Mark, played football at UNC from 1983-88 • Brother, Luke, was a Tar Heel basketball great from 2015-19

https://goheels.com/sports/football/ros ... maye/23349

Why do anything for himself when everyone on this board will eventually answer his questions? It’s the MM(G)B.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to Google and he may eventually become self-sufficient.

[WASU 93]

I know the "I don't know how to use Google" thing is your running schtick, but you've really outdone yourself on this one. From his bio on their official site:

Personal

Son of Mark and Aimee Maye • Dad, Mark, played football at UNC from 1983-88 • Brother, Luke, was a Tar Heel basketball great from 2015-19

https://goheels.com/sports/football/ros ... maye/23349

And, if you want to take it beyond Google. His mom, Aimee Sockwell Maye, played basketball at West Charlotte and was the Mecklenburg County Player of the Year her senior year. Her dad was an AAU Basketball coach, if I remember correctly.

[Rick83]

Drake Maye wins national Player of the Week award for performance vs. App State

https://saturdayroad.com/north-carolina ... TmVDqJYLoU

[BeauFoster]

Would Chase have won it if App had won the game? His stats were better, and I’d argue he played just as well…

[AppDub]

To the victor goes the spoils I guess. I will say it has been hard seeing the P5 bias shining through as various write ups tout Drake Maye as special this past week when statistically he was matched or outperformed in most categories by Chase Brice. I've even seen the Maye for Heisman tLk start. Wonder if Chase would get those same accolades if we got the W as well?

[AppStFan1]

To the victor goes the spoils I guess. I will say it has been hard seeing the P5 bias shining through as various write ups tout Drake Maye as special this past week when statistically he was matched or outperformed in most categories by Chase Brice. I've even seen the Maye for Heisman talk start. Wonder if Chase would get those same accolades if we got the W as well?

There is some P5 bias with some media but you can't judge players just based on stats. If that is the case then just draft the FCS or D2 kid who has the most passing yards in all of college football this year as the number one pick. Brice is a good player but being able to watch this game and see Maye is the better player is the difference between fans who just read stats and pros who evaluate players for a living. Maye is a more fluid athlete, faster, stronger arm, and a little more consistent passer. Brice is a good player but I don't think many folks realize just how good Barbay is in his play designs and calls. Many of the big throws by Brice the WR was wide open by design. You can't just look at stats but have to look at the skill set of a player.

[mike87]

To the victor goes the spoils I guess. I will say it has been hard seeing the P5 bias shining through as various write ups tout Drake Maye as special this past week when statistically he was matched or outperformed in most categories by Chase Brice. I've even seen the Maye for Heisman talk start. Wonder if Chase would get those same accolades if we got the W as well?

There is some P5 bias with some media but you can't judge players just based on stats. If that is the case then just draft the FCS or D2 kid who has the most passing yards in all of college football this year as the number one pick. Brice is a good player but being able to watch this game and see Maye is the better player is the difference between fans who just read stats and pros who evaluate players for a living. Maye is a more fluid athlete, faster, stronger arm, and a little more consistent passer. Brice is a good player but I don't think many folks realize just how good Barbay is in his play designs and calls. Many of the big throws by Brice the WR was wide open by design. You can't just look at stats but have to look at the skill set of a player.

BS on this one. Barbay didn't place Brice in better positions than whoever called the plays for the holes. Brice's stats were better because he had a better game. In this 1 game, Brice is better. Over a season who knows. Numbers don't lie.

[AppStFan1]

To the victor goes the spoils I guess. I will say it has been hard seeing the P5 bias shining through as various write ups tout Drake Maye as special this past week when statistically he was matched or outperformed in most categories by Chase Brice. I've even seen the Maye for Heisman talk start. Wonder if Chase would get those same accolades if we got the W as well?

There is some P5 bias with some media but you can't judge players just based on stats. If that is the case then just draft the FCS or D2 kid who has the most passing yards in all of college football this year as the number one pick. Brice is a good player but being able to watch this game and see Maye is the better player is the difference between fans who just read stats and pros who evaluate players for a living. Maye is a more fluid athlete, faster, stronger arm, and a little more consistent passer. Brice is a good player but I don't think many folks realize just how good Barbay is in his play designs and calls. Many of the big throws by Brice the WR was wide open by design. You can't just look at stats but have to look at the skill set of a player.

BS on this one. Barbay didn't place Brice in better positions than whoever called the plays for the holes. Brice's stats were better because he had a better game. In this 1 game, Brice is better. Over a season who knows. Numbers don't lie.

You are right in that Brice had a better stat game but that does not mean he is the better player, he just had beter stats. The numbers can lie depending on what you want to do. Just because you ran for 80 yards and someone else runs for 100 does not mean they were better. Perhaps they played a weaker team or maybe they had more carries.

Barbay called a very good game that helped give Brice more open receivers. Brice made good reads but just calling our stats is a lazy argument because a lot does not show up on stats. Earle never has monster stats but is probably our 3rd best defender because he does his job very well. You just went back to the stats, which is what we call a boxscore scout in football, instead of evaluating their ability. There is no question that Maye has a better arm, more fluid runner, faster, and overall makes better reads. Brice is very good but I guarantee you that NFL teams and major media who get paid to do this all agree that Maye is a better player because he is.

Also, you made the point to call them bias towards a P5 but did not account for your bias. Pot meet kettle lol. You are an App fan who just looked at stats. When pros who get paid to do this say Maye is better than I would trust them over a casual App fan who is not paid to do this. I'm not trying to be mean but just pointing out something that you overlooked.

[hapapp]

To the victor goes the spoils I guess. I will say it has been hard seeing the P5 bias shining through as various write ups tout Drake Maye as special this past week when statistically he was matched or outperformed in most categories by Chase Brice. I've even seen the Maye for Heisman talk start. Wonder if Chase would get those same accolades if we got the W as well?

There is some P5 bias with some media but you can't judge players just based on stats. If that is the case then just draft the FCS or D2 kid who has the most passing yards in all of college football this year as the number one pick. Brice is a good player but being able to watch this game and see Maye is the better player is the difference between fans who just read stats and pros who evaluate players for a living. Maye is a more fluid athlete, faster, stronger arm, and a little more consistent passer. Brice is a good player but I don't think many folks realize just how good Barbay is in his play designs and calls. Many of the big throws by Brice the WR was wide open by design. You can't just look at stats but have to look at the skill set of a player.

BS on this one. Barbay didn't place Brice in better positions than whoever called the plays for the holes. Brice's stats were better because he had a better game. In this 1 game, Brice is better. Over a season who knows. Numbers don't lie.

Though Maye had more total offense than Brice, 428 to 397 yards.

[Mjohn1988]

Maye was the difference in the game…Maye won the game for UNC…we couldn’t compensate for his ability to escape the rush and run the ball

[AppStFan1]

To the victor goes the spoils I guess. I will say it has been hard seeing the P5 bias shining through as various write ups tout Drake Maye as special this past week when statistically he was matched or outperformed in most categories by Chase Brice. I've even seen the Maye for Heisman talk start. Wonder if Chase would get those same accolades if we got the W as well?

There is some P5 bias with some media but you can't judge players just based on stats. If that is the case then just draft the FCS or D2 kid who has the most passing yards in all of college football this year as the number one pick. Brice is a good player but being able to watch this game and see Maye is the better player is the difference between fans who just read stats and pros who evaluate players for a living. Maye is a more fluid athlete, faster, stronger arm, and a little more consistent passer. Brice is a good player but I don't think many folks realize just how good Barbay is in his play designs and calls. Many of the big throws by Brice the WR was wide open by design. You can't just look at stats but have to look at the skill set of a player.

BS on this one. Barbay didn't place Brice in better positions than whoever called the plays for the holes. Brice's stats were better because he had a better game. In this 1 game, Brice is better. Over a season who knows. Numbers don't lie.

Though Maye had more total offense than Brice, 428 to 397 yards.

He was just looking at passing stats. Maye's ability to run was the difference. How many times did he make us pay by running for a first down or forcing us to keep an eye on him? It is like with a running back that people often forget to include the receiving numbers but part of what makes a great running back is someone who can also block and catch as well.

[AppStFan1]

Maye was the difference in the game…Maye won the game for UNC…we couldn’t compensate for his ability to escape the rush and run the ball

Exactly. When you watch Brice and Maye run you can easily tell who the better athlete is. Brice had a great game and should be a good player but there is no question that Maye is the better player.