Decision Announcements

[AppSt94]

Outside of Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and the flavor of the year, everyone else has the same ceiling. We are playing for scraps.

But I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about being mentioned with the UCFs, Cincys, Memphis’. They too have dynamic and explosive offenses. I’m not talking about being Bama, OSU, Clemson etc.. This is about style of offense, not recruiting top 5 classes.

Style points are a luxury items of fans. Coaches want to win. Networks want ratings.

[Appstate88]

Outside of Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and the flavor of the year, everyone else has the same ceiling. We are playing for scraps.

These three schools, plus a couple more get more than 60 percent of all 5 star recruits each year. I’m proud of where we are in just 6 short years. We are known as a school that competes, wins and can develop overlooked 2&3 star talent, to a point they have a chance at a NFL spot when they put the work in. Let’s go win another conference championship and bowl game with the players that want to stay and continue to develop as well as the new ones coming in.

[appstatealum]

Not sure I agree with your assessment. His completion percentage is up. His YPC are comparable to past years. Total yards are down, but he has considerably less completions than last year. Yes, INTs are up but how much of those are on him and not a product of no pre season camp, off season workouts to get accustomed to the new guys?

So, you acknowledge he is throwing the ball less, his Yard Per Pass is down, and he is turning it over with more frequency. Also go to the eye test, he has struggled to make reads and has a higher number of under and overthrown passes. This all points to opportunities with preparation. Also, there are extra steps QBs can make to build chemistry and timing with receivers, I know Zac has not taken advantage of these opportunities. It is what it is. He has had an incredible career here at App and I appreciate what he did.

Is he making the wrong reads, or is he having to hold onto the ball longer than he should? Yes, he is forcing some throws, and I’m not completely exonerating him for the errors. But you, of all people should know that the eye test isn’t always the best gauge. Guys weren’t running the designed routes. Veterans and rookies. What other ways can you work on timing with young guys when practice time is limited to ZOOM calls?

Don't disagree with you. That's why I referenced the "environmental" factors that played a part in hindering his progression.

[appstatealum]

Outside of Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and the flavor of the year, everyone else has the same ceiling. We are playing for scraps.

But I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about being mentioned with the UCFs, Cincys, Memphis’. They too have dynamic and explosive offenses. I’m not talking about being Bama, OSU, Clemson etc.. This is about style of offense, not recruiting top 5 classes.

Style points are a luxury items of fans. Coaches want to win. Networks want ratings.

I'm in your camp I just want Ws....but style points absolutely matter in Bowl placement/rankings....unfortunately.

[EastHallApp]

Outside of Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and the flavor of the year, everyone else has the same ceiling. We are playing for scraps.

But I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about being mentioned with the UCFs, Cincys, Memphis’. They too have dynamic and explosive offenses. I’m not talking about being Bama, OSU, Clemson etc.. This is about style of offense, not recruiting top 5 classes.

Style points are a luxury items of fans. Coaches want to win. Networks want ratings.

I'm in your camp I just want Ws....but style points absolutely matter in Bowl placement/rankings....unfortunately.

Yeah, also he said "style of offense" (i.e., the offensive system you run), which isn't quite the same as "style points" (i.e., winning by large margins).

I mostly like our offense, given the results (again, talking big picture here, not just 2020). But I think there's a discussion to be had about whether it would be worth throwing at least a little more.

[WVAPPeer]

94 - you are wasting your time ---

[Yosef10]

Outside of Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and the flavor of the year, everyone else has the same ceiling. We are playing for scraps.

But I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about being mentioned with the UCFs, Cincys, Memphis’. They too have dynamic and explosive offenses. I’m not talking about being Bama, OSU, Clemson etc.. This is about style of offense, not recruiting top 5 classes.

Style points are a luxury items of fans. Coaches want to win. Networks want ratings.

Lol what? I’m not talking about style points man. I’m talking about maximizing talent and reaching your programs ceiling. I’m also talking about how football is changing. See this article featuring comments from Saban this fall: https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... atform=amp

The way to win football games these days is to out score your opponents. Running the ball and playing defense isn’t gonna get you there anymore. If Saban can realize that and revamp the way he thinks, then I’m sure AppSt94 can as well!

[Yosef10]

94 - you are wasting your time ---

Bro, I’m talking about how college football has evolved in the last 5 years. This isn’t debatable stuff. I want my alma maters football program mentioned in the way Cincys has been this year, the way UCF was in years past. At our highest moment we weren’t even really talked about for the NY6. I get most of this fan base is solely dialed into App and not the larger topic of College Football as a whole, but there’s no need to comment like that simply because you’re not up to date on how fast the game of college football is changing and how coaches and schemes are adapting to that.

[AppSt94]

94 - you are wasting your time ---

Bro, I’m talking about how college football has evolved in the last 5 years. This isn’t debatable stuff. I want my alma maters football program mentioned in the way Cincys has been this year, the way UCF was in years past. At our highest moment we weren’t even really talked about for the NY6. I get most of this fan base is solely dialed into App and not the larger topic of College Football as a whole, but there’s no need to comment like that simply because you’re not up to date on how fast the game of college football is changing and how coaches and schemes are adapting to that.

You want us mentioned in the same manner as Cincy? Bro... our QB is the winningest QB in football, second only to the likely #1 NFL draft pick. We are only one of a handful of teams that have won at least 9 games over the last five years. Same company as the Clemsons and Alabama’s. I think that our offense works just fine.

[yosef69]

94 - you are wasting your time ---

Bro, I’m talking about how college football has evolved in the last 5 years. This isn’t debatable stuff. I want my alma maters football program mentioned in the way Cincys has been this year, the way UCF was in years past. At our highest moment we weren’t even really talked about for the NY6. I get most of this fan base is solely dialed into App and not the larger topic of College Football as a whole, but there’s no need to comment like that simply because you’re not up to date on how fast the game of college football is changing and how coaches and schemes are adapting to that.

You want us mentioned in the same manner as Cincy? Bro... our QB is the winningest QB in football, second only to the likely #1 NFL draft pick. We are only one of a handful of teams that have won at least 9 games over the last five years. Same company as the Clemsons and Alabama’s. I think that our offense works just fine.

Yep, our offense that scored 7 at Marshall works just fine.

[AppSt94]

Outside of Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and the flavor of the year, everyone else has the same ceiling. We are playing for scraps.

But I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about being mentioned with the UCFs, Cincys, Memphis’. They too have dynamic and explosive offenses. I’m not talking about being Bama, OSU, Clemson etc.. This is about style of offense, not recruiting top 5 classes.

Style points are a luxury items of fans. Coaches want to win. Networks want ratings.

I'm in your camp I just want Ws....but style points absolutely matter in Bowl placement/rankings....unfortunately.

Yeah, also he said "style of offense" (i.e., the offensive system you run), which isn't quite the same as "style points" (i.e., winning by large margins).

I mostly like our offense, given the results (again, talking big picture here, not just 2020). But I think there's a discussion to be had about whether it would be worth throwing at least a little more.

I get the point, but why throw just for the sake of throwing? Three things can happen when throwing the ball on first down and two of them have negative impacts. It’ s easy for Nick Saban to talk about evolving when you are stockpiled with the best athletes in the game and can out athlete everyone. Of course, it’s also easy to win when you have the likes of Derrick Henry, Mark Ingram, and Najee Harris toting the rock for you.

[AppSt94]

94 - you are wasting your time ---

Bro, I’m talking about how college football has evolved in the last 5 years. This isn’t debatable stuff. I want my alma maters football program mentioned in the way Cincys has been this year, the way UCF was in years past. At our highest moment we weren’t even really talked about for the NY6. I get most of this fan base is solely dialed into App and not the larger topic of College Football as a whole, but there’s no need to comment like that simply because you’re not up to date on how fast the game of college football is changing and how coaches and schemes are adapting to that.

You want us mentioned in the same manner as Cincy? Bro... our QB is the winningest QB in football, second only to the likely #1 NFL draft pick. We are only one of a handful of teams that have won at least 9 games over the last five years. Same company as the Clemsons and Alabama’s. I think that our offense works just fine.

Yep, our offense that scored 7 at Marshall works just fine.

I poorly run route, a defensive guy making a play to strip the ball on a brilliant playcall and a missed chip shot FG. Execute those plays and we are looking at a 24 point output against a pretty good defense.

[NavyApp]

This thread is officially off the rails.

[EastHallApp]

But I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about being mentioned with the UCFs, Cincys, Memphis’. They too have dynamic and explosive offenses. I’m not talking about being Bama, OSU, Clemson etc.. This is about style of offense, not recruiting top 5 classes.

Style points are a luxury items of fans. Coaches want to win. Networks want ratings.

I'm in your camp I just want Ws....but style points absolutely matter in Bowl placement/rankings....unfortunately.

Yeah, also he said "style of offense" (i.e., the offensive system you run), which isn't quite the same as "style points" (i.e., winning by large margins).

I mostly like our offense, given the results (again, talking big picture here, not just 2020). But I think there's a discussion to be had about whether it would be worth throwing at least a little more.

I get the point, but why throw just for the sake of throwing? Three things can happen when throwing the ball on first down and two of them have negative impacts. It’ s easy for Nick Saban to talk about evolving when you are stockpiled with the best athletes in the game and can out athlete everyone. Of course, it’s also easy to win when you have the likes of Derrick Henry, Mark Ingram, and Najee Harris toting the rock for you.

The reason to throw isn't "just for the sake of throwing." It's because you think it can give you a more dynamic offense. Same reason we moved from the power I to the spread option.

Regardless, I would submit that our bigger offensive issue this year wasn't how often we threw, but how effective we were when we tried to do so against the more competent defenses we faced.

[JMappfan5]

94 - you are wasting your time ---

Bro, I’m talking about how college football has evolved in the last 5 years. This isn’t debatable stuff. I want my alma maters football program mentioned in the way Cincys has been this year, the way UCF was in years past. At our highest moment we weren’t even really talked about for the NY6. I get most of this fan base is solely dialed into App and not the larger topic of College Football as a whole, but there’s no need to comment like that simply because you’re not up to date on how fast the game of college football is changing and how coaches and schemes are adapting to that.

You want us mentioned in the same manner as Cincy? Bro... our QB is the winningest QB in football, second only to the likely #1 NFL draft pick. We are only one of a handful of teams that have won at least 9 games over the last five years. Same company as the Clemsons and Alabama’s. I think that our offense works just fine.

Just save your breath! These guys are insufferable. Merry Christmas 94!!!

[AppSt94]

Style points are a luxury items of fans. Coaches want to win. Networks want ratings.

I'm in your camp I just want Ws....but style points absolutely matter in Bowl placement/rankings....unfortunately.

Yeah, also he said "style of offense" (i.e., the offensive system you run), which isn't quite the same as "style points" (i.e., winning by large margins).

I mostly like our offense, given the results (again, talking big picture here, not just 2020). But I think there's a discussion to be had about whether it would be worth throwing at least a little more.

I get the point, but why throw just for the sake of throwing? Three things can happen when throwing the ball on first down and two of them have negative impacts. It’ s easy for Nick Saban to talk about evolving when you are stockpiled with the best athletes in the game and can out athlete everyone. Of course, it’s also easy to win when you have the likes of Derrick Henry, Mark Ingram, and Najee Harris toting the rock for you.

The reason to throw isn't "just for the sake of throwing." It's because you think it can give you a more dynamic offense. Same reason we moved from the power I to the spread option.

Regardless, I would submit that our bigger offensive issue this year wasn't how often we threw, but how effective we were when we tried to do so against the more competent defenses we faced.

Completely agree with you on the second point East. The difference though wasn't the QB. It was the fact that we primarily faced those better defenses with younger guys on the outside that weren't physically mature enough to manipulate the DBs. A healthy Hennigan and Virgil, along with the presence of Sutton and we aren't having these conversations. Next year, we have Sutton and Pinckney and stronger wiser Wells and Horn and we are back to being able to push the ball down field more.

[AppSt94]

94 - you are wasting your time ---

Bro, I’m talking about how college football has evolved in the last 5 years. This isn’t debatable stuff. I want my alma maters football program mentioned in the way Cincys has been this year, the way UCF was in years past. At our highest moment we weren’t even really talked about for the NY6. I get most of this fan base is solely dialed into App and not the larger topic of College Football as a whole, but there’s no need to comment like that simply because you’re not up to date on how fast the game of college football is changing and how coaches and schemes are adapting to that.

You want us mentioned in the same manner as Cincy? Bro... our QB is the winningest QB in football, second only to the likely #1 NFL draft pick. We are only one of a handful of teams that have won at least 9 games over the last five years. Same company as the Clemsons and Alabama’s. I think that our offense works just fine.

Just save your breath! These guys are insufferable. Merry Christmas 94!!!

It's all good. It's a Tuesday after all. Merry Christmas to you as well.

[appstatealum]

Overall, it’s been quality football discussions backed with facts from each side. ‘94 and I have had some good debates over the last few seasons and I always appreciate his take.

Having a more dynamic passing game would be great, but I would not expect it to change our Run/Pass mix if Cam and Co. continue to run like they have this year. What it does is give us an option if a team sells out to stop our rush game and in normal circumstances, it should keep more guys out of the box to allow our stable f back to run like we did on North Texas. I personally love watching the ground and pound game. It’s like golf, it’s safer to keep the ball on the ground whenever possible around the green.

[AppSt94]

You guys are right. That dynamic UCF offense is on point tonight.

[Stonewall]

We have two very talented ,and very different QBs coming to Boone. I’m anxious to see them develop and lead us to new heights.