AP Preseason Poll is out

[bigdaddyg]

I just want to see us play games. With everything that has happened and will continue to happen a ranking is so far down my personal list of important stuff. I’m watching (very little) Major League Baseball played in empty stadiums, a little NBA played in front of virtual fans and a little golf on empty courses. I support and enjoy my senior son’s high school football program- they don’t play but I work the grill on Friday nights. That is probably gone. My two boys play baseball and had a 4 game season last year. Who knows if the planned 12 game senior season will happen. That being said I just hope to enjoy watching this loaded team play some games.

[Neer86]

[Appstate88]

What! No Sunbelt mention. Keep Climbing App. This is really funny tho.

[AtlAppMan]

Now that's funny

[AppStFan1]

Here my question to all.

If App State won the CFP Championship this year, would any of us complain because the Big 10 decided to stay home and not compete against us? I know I would not. Wisconsin would have had their chance at the champ and it would be their choice along with their conference mates who decided not to come out and play ball.

I would claim App was THE OFFICIAL CHAMPION until the end of time for 2020 season. I bet everyone on this board would too.

Exactly. UCF claims a share of a title that they are not even officially recognized for. If we won it we would officially be recognized as the champion. I know it won't happen but if so I would consider beating the SEC, ACC, or Big 12 Champion as good enough to claim the title.

UCF's title is actually officially recognized. Remember, UCF isn't claiming that they won the CFP championship, the claim is for being FBS champs. Alabama is the CFP champs for 2017. But by being named #1 in the Colley Matrix, a NCAA recognized major selector, the claim is recognized in the NCAA record books. The 2008 Utah team also has a valid claim through a different major selector, Anderson & Hester. I would also 100% support Boise making a claim for some of their best seasons but would understand that it wouldn't be an NCAA recognized claim.

I want you to know I'm not taking shots at you guys with what I am about to say. If it we had done the exact same thing you did I would still be saying I wish we had a shot to prove either way but I would not be claiming a title.

With that said, the NCAA and CFP do not recognize UCF and they are the official ones. You guys were not given a CFP trophy and the NCAA lists Alabama, not UCF: https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

You finished #6 and #7 by the two polls that matter: https://www.espn.com/college-football/r ... asontype/2

UCF is not recognized by the official governing body of CFB or the CFP so they are not the 2017 co-champs. Alabama is the sole National Champion.

To give another example. Players will claim All-America honors that are not officially recognized by the NCAA all the time. Just because momandpopCFB.com says you are an All-America does not mean that someone credible does. You probably see players claim All-America status the fact is the official All-America teams are the AP, AFCA, FWAA, Sporting News, and Walter Camp. Here is the link where it explains that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_F ... erica_Team

[ah59396]

https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/25/n ... llustrated


Y’all can keep telling yourselves that these polls don’t count because 50 teams aren’t included in them and I’ll keep reminding you that 70 teams are. And as we keep seeing, we are 1 of the 20 or so that matter.

[AppStFan1]

https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/25/n ... llustrated


Y’all can keep telling yourselves that these polls don’t count because 50 teams aren’t included in them and I’ll keep reminding you that 70 teams are. And as we keep seeing, we are 1 of the 20 or so that matter.

I think when people people say this stuff does not matter is because it is just one man's opinion and it is not used in picking the NY6 or recognized as official.

This SI.com one is by a writer and while it looks great because recruits see it we have to keep in mind that it is not official and does not carry weight with the CFP. Whether we are truly a top 25 talented team or not it is great to see us in this stuff because of what it does for recruiting though.

[ah59396]

https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/25/n ... llustrated


Y’all can keep telling yourselves that these polls don’t count because 50 teams aren’t included in them and I’ll keep reminding you that 70 teams are. And as we keep seeing, we are 1 of the 20 or so that matter.

I think when people people say this stuff does not matter is because it is just one man's opinion and it is not used in picking the NY6 or recognized as official.

This SI.com one is by a writer and while it looks great because recruits see it we have to keep in mind that it is not official and does not carry weight with the CFP. Whether we are truly a top 25 talented team or not it is great to see us in this stuff because of what it does for recruiting though.

I’ll tell you this now since we already did this 50x last year. I understand how the polls work. I understand they are the opinions of people. You do not need to explain it to anyone. It still matters.

[AppStFan1]

https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/25/n ... llustrated


Y’all can keep telling yourselves that these polls don’t count because 50 teams aren’t included in them and I’ll keep reminding you that 70 teams are. And as we keep seeing, we are 1 of the 20 or so that matter.

I think when people people say this stuff does not matter is because it is just one man's opinion and it is not used in picking the NY6 or recognized as official.

This SI.com one is by a writer and while it looks great because recruits see it we have to keep in mind that it is not official and does not carry weight with the CFP. Whether we are truly a top 25 talented team or not it is great to see us in this stuff because of what it does for recruiting though.

I’ll tell you this now since we already did this 50x last year. I understand how the polls work. I understand they are the opinions of people. You do not need to explain it to anyone. It still matters.

I am just not sure that SI carries weight anymore. They have laid off a ton of staff and the Maven is ruining that once respected media outlet. I'm not sure how much you have followed them in the news in the last year or so but most of the good journalists there are now gone. Google them in the news. It has been a bad 2019 and 2020 for them.

I do hope our commits and other recruits see these rankings with us listed. It definitely helps there and the more we are ranked the more favorably recruits will view us.

I just hope we get to a point where the CFP is published because that is what gets plastered on ESPN and what is used by the bowl games. Could you imagine how good it would look for us to play in the NY6 and finish in the top 15 of the CFP, AP, and Coaches Polls?

[Yosef77]

Ok I have a question. In a normal year the highest ranked G5 team gets a NY6 invite and the rest of the teams are P5 teams. With 40% of the P5 teams out, does anyone think there would probably be more then one G5 in the NY6? I would think it would be logical that if the G5 teams have 2 in the top 10 then probably both would go. UCF/Memphis/APP state/Cinc

[AppStFan1]

Ok I have a question. In a normal year the highest ranked G5 team gets a NY6 invite and the rest of the teams are P5 teams. With 40% of the P5 teams out, does anyone think there would probably be more then one G5 in the NY6? I would think it would be logical that if the G5 teams have 2 in the top 10 then probably both would go. UCF/Memphis/APP state/Cinc

I don't know about others but my guess would be yes. If a G5 got in Rose Bowl or at-large spot that was not specified for a G5 then that should theoretically put a second G5 in the NY6.

[citroknight]

Here my question to all.

If App State won the CFP Championship this year, would any of us complain because the Big 10 decided to stay home and not compete against us? I know I would not. Wisconsin would have had their chance at the champ and it would be their choice along with their conference mates who decided not to come out and play ball.

I would claim App was THE OFFICIAL CHAMPION until the end of time for 2020 season. I bet everyone on this board would too.

Exactly. UCF claims a share of a title that they are not even officially recognized for. If we won it we would officially be recognized as the champion. I know it won't happen but if so I would consider beating the SEC, ACC, or Big 12 Champion as good enough to claim the title.

UCF's title is actually officially recognized. Remember, UCF isn't claiming that they won the CFP championship, the claim is for being FBS champs. Alabama is the CFP champs for 2017. But by being named #1 in the Colley Matrix, a NCAA recognized major selector, the claim is recognized in the NCAA record books. The 2008 Utah team also has a valid claim through a different major selector, Anderson & Hester. I would also 100% support Boise making a claim for some of their best seasons but would understand that it wouldn't be an NCAA recognized claim.

I want you to know I'm not taking shots at you guys with what I am about to say. If it we had done the exact same thing you did I would still be saying I wish we had a shot to prove either way but I would not be claiming a title.

With that said, the NCAA and CFP do not recognize UCF and they are the official ones. You guys were not given a CFP trophy and the NCAA lists Alabama, not UCF: https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

You finished #6 and #7 by the two polls that matter: https://www.espn.com/college-football/r ... asontype/2

UCF is not recognized by the official governing body of CFB or the CFP so they are not the 2017 co-champs. Alabama is the sole National Champion.

To give another example. Players will claim All-America honors that are not officially recognized by the NCAA all the time. Just because momandpopCFB.com says you are an All-America does not mean that someone credible does. You probably see players claim All-America status the fact is the official All-America teams are the AP, AFCA, FWAA, Sporting News, and Walter Camp. Here is the link where it explains that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_F ... erica_Team

That is incorrect.

First, the CFP is not the official one. It's a private organization made up of the conferences and while technically made up by all 10 FBS conferences, the P5 have the all the power and the G5 only agreed as to not get left out. Better to have the one shared NY6 bowl spot than nothing at all. It may be the consensus and mainstream method, but it's not an NCAA tournament.

And again, UCF is not claiming to the CFP champ. That is undisputably Alabama. As an App fan, you should know that's not the only official trophy/championship because your team has actually received an official NCAA trophy for being FCS champs. It's the standard NCAA trophy you'll see for every NCAA official tournament, which the CFP isn't. Hence the lipstick trophy.

Second, the NCAA does list UCF. This debate has been had many times since the win. What you're looking at is the condensed list that shows the consensus champs and champs of the more mainstream major selectors like the AP and Coaches polls. If you look for the full PDF the NCAA has on their website, you'll find the complete list of recognized champions, including those from the more obscure but still recognized selectors.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yah ... 35087.html

The AP and Coaches polls are the only polls fans care about (aside from the CFP rankings of course) but they are not the only polls that matter to the NCAA. Otherwise the NCAA wouldn't recognize any of the major selectors in their record books.

[AppStFan1]

Here my question to all.

If App State won the CFP Championship this year, would any of us complain because the Big 10 decided to stay home and not compete against us? I know I would not. Wisconsin would have had their chance at the champ and it would be their choice along with their conference mates who decided not to come out and play ball.

I would claim App was THE OFFICIAL CHAMPION until the end of time for 2020 season. I bet everyone on this board would too.

Exactly. UCF claims a share of a title that they are not even officially recognized for. If we won it we would officially be recognized as the champion. I know it won't happen but if so I would consider beating the SEC, ACC, or Big 12 Champion as good enough to claim the title.

UCF's title is actually officially recognized. Remember, UCF isn't claiming that they won the CFP championship, the claim is for being FBS champs. Alabama is the CFP champs for 2017. But by being named #1 in the Colley Matrix, a NCAA recognized major selector, the claim is recognized in the NCAA record books. The 2008 Utah team also has a valid claim through a different major selector, Anderson & Hester. I would also 100% support Boise making a claim for some of their best seasons but would understand that it wouldn't be an NCAA recognized claim.

I want you to know I'm not taking shots at you guys with what I am about to say. If it we had done the exact same thing you did I would still be saying I wish we had a shot to prove either way but I would not be claiming a title.

With that said, the NCAA and CFP do not recognize UCF and they are the official ones. You guys were not given a CFP trophy and the NCAA lists Alabama, not UCF: https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

You finished #6 and #7 by the two polls that matter: https://www.espn.com/college-football/r ... asontype/2

UCF is not recognized by the official governing body of CFB or the CFP so they are not the 2017 co-champs. Alabama is the sole National Champion.

To give another example. Players will claim All-America honors that are not officially recognized by the NCAA all the time. Just because momandpopCFB.com says you are an All-America does not mean that someone credible does. You probably see players claim All-America status the fact is the official All-America teams are the AP, AFCA, FWAA, Sporting News, and Walter Camp. Here is the link where it explains that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_F ... erica_Team

That is incorrect.

First, the CFP is not the official one. It's a private organization made up of the conferences and while technically made up by all 10 FBS conferences, the P5 have the all the power and the G5 only agreed as to not get left out. Better to have the one shared NY6 bowl spot than nothing at all. It may be the consensus and mainstream method, but it's not an NCAA tournament.

And again, UCF is not claiming to the CFP champ. That is undisputably Alabama. As an App fan, you should know that's not the only official trophy/championship because your team has actually received an official NCAA trophy for being FCS champs. It's the standard NCAA trophy you'll see for every NCAA official tournament, which the CFP isn't. Hence the lipstick trophy.

Second, the NCAA does list UCF. This debate has been had many times since the win. What you're looking at is the condensed list that shows the consensus champs and champs of the more mainstream major selectors like the AP and Coaches polls. If you look for the full PDF the NCAA has on their website, you'll find the complete list of recognized champions, including those from the more obscure but still recognized selectors.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yah ... 35087.html

The AP and Coaches polls are the only polls fans care about (aside from the CFP rankings of course) but they are not the only polls that matter to the NCAA. Otherwise the NCAA wouldn't recognize any of the major selectors in their record books.

Yes, there are other champions but they are from lower levels. We are both FBS now and even if we go 14-0 and win a NY6 we are not the champions unless we are in the CFP. With a 4-team playoff now it is pretty safe to say there will only be one recognized champ.

That tweet is from the UCF beat writer so of course he recognizes Colley when nobody else does. I love our team but they listed us #11 and Memphis at #8 last year. I'm sorry but we are not top 11 and Memphis, who lost to Penn State, was not a top 10 team. There is no way App and Memphis would have beaten Alabama but we were ranked ahead of them. You and I both know Colley is a joke. If you are going to claim Colley then we should claim that we are better than Alabama last year when you know how goofy that would sound.

I don't see UCF on any of the NCAA or ESPN links below. Alabama is the 2017 champion:
NCAA recognized polls: https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/ ... ll-playoff
ESPN recognized Rankings: https://www.espn.com/college-football/r ... asontype/2
NCAA Recognized national champions: https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

Also, click the 2020 version of that NCAA book you sent straight from the NCAA.org website instead of a Google link. UCF is not listed on page 125 with the other champions: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_ ... 20/FBS.pdf

Consensus champs
2015 Alabama (AP, FW-NFF, USA)
2016Clemson (AP, FW-NFF, USA)
2017Alabama (AP, FW-NFF, USA)
2018Clemson (AP, USA, FW-NFF)
2019LSU (AP, USA, FW-NFF)

[ah59396]

UCF as the 2017 National Champion was a fantastic move by the university. Great marketing. A great way for the team and fans themselves to culminate the finish.

Everyone with a pulse understands they weren't official. But that doesn’t matter. The stink they raised helped further their brand and put them in a G5 tier that only Boise was in prior to that period.

[citroknight]

UCF as the 2017 National Champion was a fantastic move by the university. Great marketing. A great way for the team and fans themselves to culminate the finish.

Everyone with a pulse understands they weren't official. But that doesn’t matter. The stink they raised helped further their brand and put them in a G5 tier that only Boise was in prior to that period.

You have to push for the brand for sure, but UCF's title is actually official.

We can go in circles on how much the casual fan cares about the obscure polls vs the CFP, AP, and Coaches polls. No one really does care about the random polls. But per the NCAA process and record book all these obscure major selectors count because the FBS schools chose to not have an NCAA tournament (hence football bowl subdivision vs football championship subdivision). So at that point regardless of how weird it may be, that's the actual system in place by the governing body of college athletics for FBS champs.

UCF's claim is only officially official because of the Colley Matrix and the NCAA rules. Not necessarily just because we went undefeated.

Timeline basically went:
- win Peach bowl
- AD declares us national champs in post game moment but at this point, it's 100% a self claim
- a week later, Bama beats UGA in the CFP final which secures UCF the #1 spot in the Colley Matrix. Had UGA won, they'd have had a clean sweep and would also have been #1 in the Colley Matrix on top of all the polls and selectors that picked Alabama. Had that happened, yes UCFs claim wouldn't be official. But what helped UCF edge out Bama in the CM was that Bama didn't win it's division or conference that year, putting us above them by a hair.

[AppStFan1]

UCF as the 2017 National Champion was a fantastic move by the university. Great marketing. A great way for the team and fans themselves to culminate the finish.

Everyone with a pulse understands they weren't official. But that doesn’t matter. The stink they raised helped further their brand and put them in a G5 tier that only Boise was in prior to that period.

It was smart from a marketing standpoint but the Colley rankings are really crazy. Seriously look at their full list. They had some crazy stuff in there for 2019 and they do for every year.

[AppStFan1]

UCF as the 2017 National Champion was a fantastic move by the university. Great marketing. A great way for the team and fans themselves to culminate the finish.

Everyone with a pulse understands they weren't official. But that doesn’t matter. The stink they raised helped further their brand and put them in a G5 tier that only Boise was in prior to that period.

You have to push for the brand for sure, but UCF's title is actually official.

We can go in circles on how much the casual fan cares about the obscure polls vs the CFP, AP, and Coaches polls. No one really does care about the random polls. But per the NCAA process and record book all these obscure major selectors count because the FBS schools chose to not have an NCAA tournament (hence football bowl subdivision vs football championship subdivision). So at that point regardless of how weird it may be, that's the actual system in place by the governing body of college athletics for FBS champs.

UCF's claim is only officially official because of the Colley Matrix and the NCAA rules. Not necessarily just because we went undefeated.

Timeline basically went:
- win Peach bowl
- AD declares us national champs in post game moment but at this point, it's 100% a self claim
- a week later, Bama beats UGA in the CFP final which secures UCF the #1 spot in the Colley Matrix. Had UGA won, they'd have had a clean sweep and would also have been #1 in the Colley Matrix on top of all the polls and selectors that picked Alabama. Had that happened, yes UCFs claim wouldn't be official. But what helped UCF edge out Bama in the CM was that Bama didn't win it's division or conference that year, putting us above them by a hair.

READ the links I sent you. There is NO mention of UCF as national champion. The NCAA actually listed who they recognized and Colley is not one of them.

Colley is laughable and not one I would hang my hat on for any title. There is no way we were #11 and Memphis was #8 last year. There is no way UCF was the best team in 2017. You should seriously just look at their rankings every year and you will see some crazy stuff. They ranked Ohio State ahead of Clemson at the end of the year despite Clemson beating them. They also had 8 G5 teams in the top 25. That is a huge joke. There is no way that 8 G5 teams are among the 25 most talented teams in FBS. I just spent 3 minutes skimming their final rankings from the last 4 years and I hope that App would never cling to that to claim any title.

[citroknight]

UCF as the 2017 National Champion was a fantastic move by the university. Great marketing. A great way for the team and fans themselves to culminate the finish.

Everyone with a pulse understands they weren't official. But that doesn’t matter. The stink they raised helped further their brand and put them in a G5 tier that only Boise was in prior to that period.

You have to push for the brand for sure, but UCF's title is actually official.

We can go in circles on how much the casual fan cares about the obscure polls vs the CFP, AP, and Coaches polls. No one really does care about the random polls. But per the NCAA process and record book all these obscure major selectors count because the FBS schools chose to not have an NCAA tournament (hence football bowl subdivision vs football championship subdivision). So at that point regardless of how weird it may be, that's the actual system in place by the governing body of college athletics for FBS champs.

UCF's claim is only officially official because of the Colley Matrix and the NCAA rules. Not necessarily just because we went undefeated.

Timeline basically went:
- win Peach bowl
- AD declares us national champs in post game moment but at this point, it's 100% a self claim
- a week later, Bama beats UGA in the CFP final which secures UCF the #1 spot in the Colley Matrix. Had UGA won, they'd have had a clean sweep and would also have been #1 in the Colley Matrix on top of all the polls and selectors that picked Alabama. Had that happened, yes UCFs claim wouldn't be official. But what helped UCF edge out Bama in the CM was that Bama didn't win it's division or conference that year, putting us above them by a hair.

READ the links I sent you. There is NO mention of UCF as national champion. The NCAA actually listed who they recognized and Colley is not one of them.

Colley is laughable and not one I would hang my hat on for any title. There is no way we were #11 and Memphis was #8 last year. There is no way UCF was the best team in 2017. You should seriously just look at their rankings every year and you will see some crazy stuff. They ranked Ohio State ahead of Clemson at the end of the year despite Clemson beating them. They also had 8 G5 teams in the top 25. That is a huge joke. There is no way that 8 G5 teams are among the 25 most talented teams in FBS. I just spent 3 minutes skimming their final rankings from the last 4 years and I hope that App would never cling to that to claim any title.

The links you sent don't mean what you think they mean. They're just the condensed short lists that show the major polls and the consensus champs. If you read the links I sent you'd know that. And no it's not because a UCF beat writer is pushing for UCF. It's literally black and white, the NCAA has major selectors and recognizes them all.

Here's the direct link to the NCAA record book PDF. Go to page 115, UCF is there.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_ ... 17/FBS.pdf

Here's another article explaining it in detail:

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/c ... y-rankings

"Turn to page 108 of the NCAA’s football records. There you’ll see a list of “national champion major selectors.” These are national polls, computers, historians, and other rankings that the NCAA recognizes as contributing to the selection of national champs throughout the sport’s history.

That page is followed by a list of selector No. 1s for every season in football history. The records stop listing out each season’s computer No. 1s midway through the BCS era, though several are still listed as actively recognized selectors. Since 1950, the NCAA’s also given the major polls the power to award “consensus” titles, giving them prominence over the computers.


The NCAA doesn’t award an official FBS champ, so this is as close as it comes to sorting out claims."

This may seem blunt but your opinion on the Colley Matrix doesn't matter. Nor does mine. It's just as simple as the fact that there is no official NCAA FBS tournament and if a major selector, which the CM is, lists a team as #1 they have a fair claim to the title.

Listen we had a lot of goofy support behind our claim: r/CFB named us champs and gave us a trophy, so did the Touchdown Club of Columbus, and (my personal favorite) the Nevada Dental Association named us champs. But there's a difference between them and one the NCAA has in its record books, which again you're looking at the condensed short lists just showing the popular people polls.

Also, while our opinions don't count in a simple yes or no of whether the NCAA counts a poll, I don't think having 8 teams in the top 25 is crazy at all. That just seems to be trying to discredit the CM. The AP and Coaches poll, the mainstream polls, both had 7 G5s each. With an 8th just outside at #27 for both. Does that discredit the AP and Coaches poll for having basically the same amount of G5 in the final top 25 as the CM? If App had an NCAA recognized claim, no matter from which major selector, I'd support it.

[bcoach]

Counting any poll this year is just embarrasing.

[HkyMtneer]

Counting any poll this year is just embarrasing.

Polls won't be too embarrassing for the big boys to count this season so in my mind, if it's good enough for Clemson and Bama to brag about a ranking then it's good enough for us to do the same!