Doug Gillin

[NewApp]

I just wonder how people will feel when he eventually leaves. Cobb walked on water while he was here, then after he left, not so much.
Question...will we have to keep giving him raises to keep him from leaving?

Not sure who you've been talking to, but I know few people who liked Cobb.

Talking about on THIS board while he was with us under contract especially during and after the major building projects. A few dissed his personality but not his decisions. Can't recall anyone dissing his salary and raises. Now when he fired Fancher there was some dissent. That's about all.

[AppStateNews]

After more than fifty years as an APP fan I can say Gillin has done an excellent job. But, to disparage and despise Charlie Cobb seems kinda pathetic. For those that give Laney the credit for success in attendance and Yosef membership/donations once Cobb took over, really?!? If Cobb was so bad can’t the same be said about Gillin! His success was due to Cobb being so bad! I for one think Charlie Cobb did a fantastic job, if no other reason that he and Peacock brought us out of the dark ages we had endured for decades and only good thing Laney did as AD was leave!

Anyone that could see the bigger picture understood what Cobb did to our athletic department. Simply put, if you were a part of any sport other than football (or a specific assistant women's soccer coach who had no business being an assistant women's soccer coach), good luck with funding. There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it.

[NewApp]

After more than fifty years as an APP fan I can say Gillin has done an excellent job. But, to disparage and despise Charlie Cobb seems kinda pathetic. For those that give Laney the credit for success in attendance and Yosef membership/donations once Cobb took over, really?!? If Cobb was so bad can’t the same be said about Gillin! His success was due to Cobb being so bad! I for one think Charlie Cobb did a fantastic job, if no other reason that he and Peacock brought us out of the dark ages we had endured for decades and only good thing Laney did as AD was leave!

Anyone that could see the bigger picture understood what Cobb did to our athletic department. Simply put, if you were a part of any sport other than football (or a specific assistant women's soccer coach who had no business being an assistant women's soccer coach), good luck with funding. There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it.

I just wonder if Gillin had already (along with the other PTB) decided to drop Men's soccer, Men's tennis, etc before the COVID-19 hit.

[hAPPy4APP]

Cobb walked on water? I never thought so and thought he was way overrated and rode the wave to stardom. I would be amazed if he was that highly regarded as our AD.

[T-Dog]

Laney was a below average D1 AD, but he's a good person who has does a lot over a long time for Special Olympics N.C. The Hitler comparison is pathetic

Cobb immediately started facilities upgrades when he got to Boone and did hire Satterfield, but he also hired Capel, Billy Jones and Darcie (although that hire was good for a while).

[EastHallApp]

Laney was a below average D1 AD, but he's a good person who has does a lot over a long time for Special Olympics N.C. The Hitler comparison is pathetic

Cobb immediately started facilities upgrades when he got to Boone and did hire Satterfield, but he also hired Capel, Billy Jones and Darcie (although that hire was good for a while).

It’s hard to know how much credit to give Cobb for the Satt hire. To me, it seemed like a no-brainer for a few years in advance. But I gather that for whatever reason, there was some support for Shawn Elliot or even Tim Horton. So Cobb deserves some credit for taking the easy win and not outthinking himself. (In that case, anyway.)

[apptrackalum]

Gillin has certainly had some successes, and he'll be off to a P5 job soon. App will have fewer teams, some new facilities, and debt Gillin will never have to worry about paying off.

He's proven to be a good businessman, who knows what he needs to do to advance his career.

That said, he showed a lack of character and leadership in how he managed the sport cuts. He spent only two minutes, yes only two minutes, on zoom calls with the affected teams. He did not give them time to ask questions or share concerns. He logged in, changed these kids lives, and logged off. He either doesn't understand the level of decision, or he is too weak of a leader to face the student athletes.

Yes, I know I'm biased as a track alum, but we should all expect more out of an AD during a sport cut.

[Yosef84]

Gillin has certainly had some successes, and he'll be off to a P5 job soon. App will have fewer teams, some new facilities, and debt Gillin will never have to worry about paying off.

He's proven to be a good businessman, who knows what he needs to do to advance his career.

That said, he showed a lack of character and leadership in how he managed the sport cuts. He spent only two minutes, yes only two minutes, on zoom calls with the affected teams. He did not give them time to ask questions or share concerns. He logged in, changed these kids lives, and logged off. He either doesn't understand the level of decision, or he is too weak of a leader to face the student athletes.

Yes, I know I'm biased as a track alum, but we should all expect more out of an AD during a sport cut.

I have had no complaints with DG and think he's done a good job for App. That said, I have to say I wasn't happy with the cut of the indoor track team. It doesn't make sense to me given the overlap in coaching staff and athletes with other sports (CC and outdoor T&F). It just seems the financial savings is minimal. I don't know the answer to the financial situation because I admit I don't have the details, but that decision hurt.

[AppStateNews]

Gillin has certainly had some successes, and he'll be off to a P5 job soon. App will have fewer teams, some new facilities, and debt Gillin will never have to worry about paying off.

He's proven to be a good businessman, who knows what he needs to do to advance his career.

That said, he showed a lack of character and leadership in how he managed the sport cuts. He spent only two minutes, yes only two minutes, on zoom calls with the affected teams. He did not give them time to ask questions or share concerns. He logged in, changed these kids lives, and logged off. He either doesn't understand the level of decision, or he is too weak of a leader to face the student athletes.

Yes, I know I'm biased as a track alum, but we should all expect more out of an AD during a sport cut.

This is only partially true. He spent 2 minutes on a zoom call with the coaching staffs initially so they could let their respective players know before social media let them know -- which he should have done. Someone in the department leaked the news so he had to do damage control. This isn't how he had it planned.

He also invited all players and staff to schedule personal 1:1 30+ minute zoom calls and opened his calendar 100% for them. I'm not sure how many took advantage of it due to the understandable feelings they were going through during the life changing news.

[AppStateNews]

Gillin has certainly had some successes, and he'll be off to a P5 job soon. App will have fewer teams, some new facilities, and debt Gillin will never have to worry about paying off.

He's proven to be a good businessman, who knows what he needs to do to advance his career.

That said, he showed a lack of character and leadership in how he managed the sport cuts. He spent only two minutes, yes only two minutes, on zoom calls with the affected teams. He did not give them time to ask questions or share concerns. He logged in, changed these kids lives, and logged off. He either doesn't understand the level of decision, or he is too weak of a leader to face the student athletes.

Yes, I know I'm biased as a track alum, but we should all expect more out of an AD during a sport cut.

I have had no complaints with DG and think he's done a good job for App. That said, I have to say I wasn't happy with the cut of the indoor track team. It doesn't make sense to me given the overlap in coaching staff and athletes with other sports (CC and outdoor T&F). It just seems the financial savings is minimal. I don't know the answer to the financial situation because I admit I don't have the details, but that decision hurt.

It was mainly due to travel costs and ensuring Title IX requirements since last year's spring players can use another scholarship year this year. My understanding, majority of those seniors coming back are male. They'll never say Title IX played a role, but it definitely did.

[AppStateNews]

After more than fifty years as an APP fan I can say Gillin has done an excellent job. But, to disparage and despise Charlie Cobb seems kinda pathetic. For those that give Laney the credit for success in attendance and Yosef membership/donations once Cobb took over, really?!? If Cobb was so bad can’t the same be said about Gillin! His success was due to Cobb being so bad! I for one think Charlie Cobb did a fantastic job, if no other reason that he and Peacock brought us out of the dark ages we had endured for decades and only good thing Laney did as AD was leave!

Anyone that could see the bigger picture understood what Cobb did to our athletic department. Simply put, if you were a part of any sport other than football (or a specific assistant women's soccer coach who had no business being an assistant women's soccer coach), good luck with funding. There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it.

I just wonder if Gillin had already (along with the other PTB) decided to drop Men's soccer, Men's tennis, etc before the COVID-19 hit.

It was definitely thought about before covid. We simply could not afford to continue progressing ALL sports while supporting the most in conference. We were supporting the same number of sports with the same budget some P5s uses to support just football. It just wasn't feasible for the long run.

That said, it would not have this year without Covid.

[WASU 93]

After more than fifty years as an APP fan I can say Gillin has done an excellent job. But, to disparage and despise Charlie Cobb seems kinda pathetic. For those that give Laney the credit for success in attendance and Yosef membership/donations once Cobb took over, really?!? If Cobb was so bad can’t the same be said about Gillin! His success was due to Cobb being so bad! I for one think Charlie Cobb did a fantastic job, if no other reason that he and Peacock brought us out of the dark ages we had endured for decades and only good thing Laney did as AD was leave!

Anyone that could see the bigger picture understood what Cobb did to our athletic department. Simply put, if you were a part of any sport other than football (or a specific assistant women's soccer coach who had no business being an assistant women's soccer coach), good luck with funding. There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it.

I just wonder if Gillin had already (along with the other PTB) decided to drop Men's soccer, Men's tennis, etc before the COVID-19 hit.

I don't see that as a possibility. If that were the case, he would have cut it at the end of last season, saving salary, recruiting expenses and the disappointment that the new recruits went through. I think the budget was thin, the NCAA March Madness reduced distributions and with Title IX, cuts had to be made on the men's side of the ledger.

In 2019, USA Today reports App State's Athletic Department to have $39.997M in Annual Revenue and $37.773M in Expenses
(Up from $19.4M in Rev. and $19.3M in Expenses in 2015)https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/financ ... 1597545206
The NCAA announced a reduction of Revenue Payout via March Madness on 3/26 and Soccer program was cut 5/26

[NewApp]

After more than fifty years as an APP fan I can say Gillin has done an excellent job. But, to disparage and despise Charlie Cobb seems kinda pathetic. For those that give Laney the credit for success in attendance and Yosef membership/donations once Cobb took over, really?!? If Cobb was so bad can’t the same be said about Gillin! His success was due to Cobb being so bad! I for one think Charlie Cobb did a fantastic job, if no other reason that he and Peacock brought us out of the dark ages we had endured for decades and only good thing Laney did as AD was leave!

Anyone that could see the bigger picture understood what Cobb did to our athletic department. Simply put, if you were a part of any sport other than football (or a specific assistant women's soccer coach who had no business being an assistant women's soccer coach), good luck with funding. There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it.

I just wonder if Gillin had already (along with the other PTB) decided to drop Men's soccer, Men's tennis, etc before the COVID-19 hit.

I don't see that as a possibility. If that were the case, he would have cut it at the end of last season, saving salary, recruiting expenses and the disappointment that the new recruits went through. I think the budget was thin, the NCAA March Madness reduced distributions and with Title IX, cuts had to be made on the men's side of the ledger.

In 2019, USA Today reports App State's Athletic Department to have $39.997M in Annual Revenue and $37.773M in Expenses
(Up from $19.4M in Rev. and $19.3M in Expenses in 2015)https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/financ ... 1597545206
The NCAA announced a reduction of Revenue Payout via March Madness on 3/26 and Soccer program was cut 5/26

Unless he was just looking for a better more palatable excuse. Who knows.

[WASU 93]

After more than fifty years as an APP fan I can say Gillin has done an excellent job. But, to disparage and despise Charlie Cobb seems kinda pathetic. For those that give Laney the credit for success in attendance and Yosef membership/donations once Cobb took over, really?!? If Cobb was so bad can’t the same be said about Gillin! His success was due to Cobb being so bad! I for one think Charlie Cobb did a fantastic job, if no other reason that he and Peacock brought us out of the dark ages we had endured for decades and only good thing Laney did as AD was leave!

Anyone that could see the bigger picture understood what Cobb did to our athletic department. Simply put, if you were a part of any sport other than football (or a specific assistant women's soccer coach who had no business being an assistant women's soccer coach), good luck with funding. There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it.

I just wonder if Gillin had already (along with the other PTB) decided to drop Men's soccer, Men's tennis, etc before the COVID-19 hit.

I don't see that as a possibility. If that were the case, he would have cut it at the end of last season, saving salary, recruiting expenses and the disappointment that the new recruits went through. I think the budget was thin, the NCAA March Madness reduced distributions and with Title IX, cuts had to be made on the men's side of the ledger.

In 2019, USA Today reports App State's Athletic Department to have $39.997M in Annual Revenue and $37.773M in Expenses
(Up from $19.4M in Rev. and $19.3M in Expenses in 2015)https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/financ ... 1597545206
The NCAA announced a reduction of Revenue Payout via March Madness on 3/26 and Soccer program was cut 5/26

Unless he was just looking for a better more palatable excuse. Who knows.

Half Empty type, correct?

[AppStFan1]

After more than fifty years as an APP fan I can say Gillin has done an excellent job. But, to disparage and despise Charlie Cobb seems kinda pathetic. For those that give Laney the credit for success in attendance and Yosef membership/donations once Cobb took over, really?!? If Cobb was so bad can’t the same be said about Gillin! His success was due to Cobb being so bad! I for one think Charlie Cobb did a fantastic job, if no other reason that he and Peacock brought us out of the dark ages we had endured for decades and only good thing Laney did as AD was leave!

Nobody is giving Laney credit for doing anything good. Nothing good that happened to us happened because of Laney. Many of us thought that we would have moved up to I-A a lot earlier than we did if not for Laney. Many people stayed away and would not contribute because of him. I give Charlie credit for improved marketing of the program and many other things when Laney was gone so he should get some credit. However, for anyone to fully credit him and not realize that many people came back because Laney was gone would be ignoring the harm that Laney did our program.

I was 100% behind Charlie for a few years but things started to leak about some scandals going on and him being very tough to work for. We could have paid him enough money to keep him from Georgia State but we let him go for many reasons. Charlie did some very good things but I would say about 3 years before he left I learned enough from people inside the program to be glad he was gone.

Look at it this way. Charlie went to Georgia State but we were able to keep Doug Gillin from going to Cincy. Do you not think we could have kept Charlie if we want to? We could have.

As for Doug Gillin, he is by far the best AD we have had and I agree with the others in trusting him 100%.

[AppStFan1]

Laney was a below average D1 AD, but he's a good person who has does a lot over a long time for Special Olympics N.C. The Hitler comparison is pathetic

Cobb immediately started facilities upgrades when he got to Boone and did hire Satterfield, but he also hired Capel, Billy Jones and Darcie (although that hire was good for a while).

Laney may be a good person in his personal life but he did a lot of scumbag type things as AD within our department that is just awful. He pissed off so many people and I'm talking about alumni, fans, media, players, Yosef Club members, etc. Purely as an AD, Laney was the worst I have ever seen from the conferences we have been in. He literally told people one time, who he thought was a friend that would not leak this out, that he purposely wanted to keep YC giving under 1M or he would not have complete control of the program. He said we could never be a I-A program (before the nomenclature change). He made up lies about people who he knew were not supporters of his to hurt them professionally and made a lot of players very mad.

Ask Dexter Coakley, Wayne Smith, and many many other players from 90s what they thought about him. He was hated by so many of our former players.

[Rekdiver]

Laney provided low hanging fruit for Cobb. In the beginning Cobb did do some good work but he was limited in his experience and became callous and insensitive to a lot of people. In the end Charlie was an ass. He took it as far as he could. Telling Satt to go get some experience was the best thing he did. Gillin is more polished, connected and business savvy. Gillin has much more upside and has done more for App in improving perception among D1 schools. He has set a bar.

[AppStFan1]

Laney provided low hanging fruit for Cobb. In the beginning Cobb did do some good work but he was limited in his experience and became callous and insensitive to a lot of people. In the end Charlie was an ass. He took it as far as he could. Telling Satt to go get some experience was the best thing he did. Gillin is more polished, connected and business savvy. Gillin has much more upside and has done more for App in improving perception among D1 schools. He has set a bar.

100%. He has set a bar that I hope we can hold future ADs to as well. Like you said, Charlie did some good things before but he went to Georgia State for several reasons but one of them was not the fact we could not pay him enough. We could have kept him and I'm glad we did not. We have the best AD in our history and one of the best in all of CFB right now. I hope we can keep Gillin for a long, long time.

[hAPPy4APP]

For one, I did not disparage, nor do I despise Cobb. Simply put, I voiced my opinion about his popularity and his "walking on water". He did some positive things as he should. That was his job. He did not bring us out of the dark ages, Jerry Moore and his football team did that. Cobb was the beneficiary of everything locked and loaded, prior to pulling the trigger., but he did understand that it was beneficial to his career to involve himself in the FBS process.

[JTApps1]

Laney was a below average D1 AD, but he's a good person who has does a lot over a long time for Special Olympics N.C. The Hitler comparison is pathetic

Cobb immediately started facilities upgrades when he got to Boone and did hire Satterfield, but he also hired Capel, Billy Jones and Darcie (although that hire was good for a while).

Cobb tried to hire Shawn Elliot who turned him down. After that, Satt was the easy hire to make since he was on staff and had a lot of support from the fan base. He was lucky that Scott turned out so well. Imagine how different the past 5 years would have been if Shawn had been HC!