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Re: Zac

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:45 pm

yosef69 wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:34 pm
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:31 pm
yosef69 wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:01 pm
At this rate he may not be the starter next year.
A little extreme view?
We have a highly rated IMG academy product on the roster. I dont think its extreme or even out of question.
Very funny joke. No disrespect to Griffin because I think your comment is an insult to an All-SBC QB who led us in the top 25 and beat a P5 team. There is no way Zac loses his job to Griffin unless he is injured and Griffin is on fire. This kid has yet to even play a snap and you already think he might unseat a recently named Johnny Unitas Award finalist?

Zac was very inconsistent throwing the ball but the weather was bad. He did stare down receivers but that is something he can see and correct. I expect him to look a lot better next week.

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Unread post by spacemonkey » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:45 am

Does anyone know if drinkowitz is making Zack stay in the pocket instead of running.. Telling him not to run. He seemed to have running opportunities that he chose not to take. He used to take them.

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Re: Zac

Unread post by AppSt12 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:01 am

This thread really got off track from the point of the OPs thread. Why are we talking about a freshman being better than Zac? Hes not. But...the problem is Zac is injured. How is no one talking about this? There is no way he has made so many terrible throws the past 2 games healthy. He is hurting....and that should be very concerning. I know everything is a big secret in college football....but man I'm concerned going into Columbia without Thomas.

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:33 am

spacemonkey wrote:
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Does anyone know if drinkowitz is making Zack stay in the pocket instead of running.. Telling him not to run. He seemed to have running opportunities that he chose not to take. He used to take them.
Yes. He also has stated that he would prefer to run less to reduce the risk of injury. His reason for this is so that he doesn’t miss anymore games. We have a warrior, who wants nothing more than to win and has done it better than most qbs in the nation and some of you want to nit pick a performance in horrendous conditions to say that he might not be the right guy. Give me a qb that starts his career 17-3 all day long.

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Unread post by bigdaddyg » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:51 am

I thought this was the bench a Taylor thread redux. Griffin gets 4 games and keep his shirt. Any of you geniuses wonder why he hasn’t played 1 minuet yet? Maybe our staff knows what they are doing. The QB on the bench is always the most popular player. Last Thursday night was brutal. Way up in the stands it looks easy but I’m sure those balls were doing some funky stuff.

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Re: Zac

Unread post by Rekdiver » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:48 am

Zac is hurt?

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:20 am

appstatealum wrote:
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I don’t think many people understand how hard it is to throw a wet ball in 23 mph wind.
Has nothing to do with staring down receivers. It's a fair critique of what Zac was doing. If you recorded the game, just go back and watch it.
I'm not expert at critiquing players but I disagree that these things could be unrelated. If the physical component of throwing the ball becoming difficult, it isn't hard to imagine that a QB could increase their "focus" on a receiver in order to compensate. I can see the additional challenges of wind and wet ball resulting in any QB "staring down" a receiver. Just my opinion of course.

I do think the bad throws were a bigger issue than staring down receivers. Bad throws + dropped passes created a hole that it took us too long to escape.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:24 am

The biggest factor was the weather - the next factor was no running game - then the other things mentioned come into play
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Unread post by Boroneer10 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:40 am

This thread is ridiculous and should be locked.

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Unread post by WataugaMan » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:44 am

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The biggest factor was the weather - the next factor was no running game - then the other things mentioned come into play
Sure would have been nice if Peoples was healthy.

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:46 am

WataugaMan wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:44 am
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The biggest factor was the weather - the next factor was no running game - then the other things mentioned come into play
Sure would have been nice if Peoples was healthy.
Sure would. But what is your point?

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Unread post by WataugaMan » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:50 am

Peoples is more of a "tank/diesel" type runner. Evans is quicker and less of a bruiser. In the rain against The Stink, a "John Riggins" type of a runner would be much more effective.

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:58 am

WataugaMan wrote:
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Peoples is more of a "tank/diesel" type runner. Evans is quicker and less of a bruiser. In the rain against The Stink, a "John Riggins" type of a runner would be much more effective.
While you are correct in Peoples' running style but no one is going to run consistently against an 8 man front.

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Unread post by WataugaMan » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:02 am

True, which baffles me even more. If anyone could have done it Peoples would have been the man. But, he was out.

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:10 am

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True, which baffles me even more. If anyone could have done it Peoples would have been the man. But, he was out.
See here is what baffles me about people's perception on Peoples. First off, this is not meant to be an indictment on Peoples as a player because I think that he has shown us a great deal of potential. My issue is that the sample thus far only shows potential and not actual results. His carries last year were not during meaningful points of the game. He was running against a tired defense. Secondly, he only had a handful of runs this year before he was injured which by the way was a non contact injury. My point is that I think that Cam has a chance to be very good but to this point in his career, I don't see anything that tells me that he is the Chosen one. We haven't seen him work late into the game rushing the ball for the 20th time yet. Everyone loves the next guy up and in some cases there isn't much reason to do so except that he is the backup.

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Unread post by Boroneer10 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:16 am

AppSt94 wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:10 am
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:02 am
True, which baffles me even more. If anyone could have done it Peoples would have been the man. But, he was out.
See here is what baffles me about people's perception on Peoples. First off, this is not meant to be an indictment on Peoples as a player because I think that he has shown us a great deal of potential. My issue is that the sample thus far only shows potential and not actual results. His carries last year were not during meaningful points of the game. He was running against a tired defense. Secondly, he only had a handful of runs this year before he was injured which by the way was a non contact injury. My point is that I think that Cam has a chance to be very good but to this point in his career, I don't see anything that tells me that he is the Chosen one. We haven't seen him work late into the game rushing the ball for the 20th time yet. Everyone loves the next guy up and in some cases there isn't much reason to do so except that he is the backup.
I hear what you are saying, but at his size the speed and athleticism he showed on that long run in the bowl game was jaw dropping.

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Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:20 am

bigdaddyg wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:51 am
I thought this was the bench a Taylor thread redux. Griffin gets 4 games and keep his shirt. Any of you geniuses wonder why he hasn’t played 1 minuet yet? Maybe our staff knows what they are doing. The QB on the bench is always the most popular player. Last Thursday night was brutal. Way up in the stands it looks easy but I’m sure those balls were doing some funky stuff.
It is really just 1-2 people who come off as nuts. I often laugh at the stuff said on Gamecock Central and some other boards but we have a couple of people who need their heads examined. :lol:

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Unread post by WataugaMan » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:32 am

I see your point, the jury is still out on Peoples. Let's see how things play out once he gets healthy. If we have a bruiser in the backfield he would be the one (in theory), we'll see. That said, without a bruiser why did we keep attempting to force our will against The Stink 8 man front until it was too late? That's what has me scratching my head. Would Peoples have made a difference, maybe? If you're going to force your will against that 8 man front, he would have given us a better chance. Then again, no guarantees.
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Re: Zac

Unread post by appstatealum » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:33 am

No one is saying RGB should start this season. He is a true freshman who hasn't payed a down of CFB. Hurts won a National Championship with Alabama, didn't mean that Tua had no chance of taking over. I prefer to see Zac finish his time at App as a starter, but if we have a QB that can come in and push him, im all for it. I hope we recruit a whole class of guys that can push our starters. Let the best man win the job.
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Re: Zac

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:36 am

WataugaMan wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:32 am
I see your point, the jury is still out on Peoples. Let's see how things play out once he gets healthy. If we have a bruiser in the backfield he would be the one (in theory), we'll see. That said, without a bruiser why did we keep attempting to force our will against The Stink 8 man front until it was too late? That's what has be scratching my head. Would Peoples have made a difference, maybe. But, without him no chance.
Peoples definitely makes a difference and hopefully he comes back 100% next year. I think Drink believed he saw something in the GSU front 7 that he could exploit and so I don't blame him for coming into the game thinking he could. Where I look at him and question what he did is why did he stick with it so long. After a couple of drives I would have made some changes and either tried to go wide on them or throw the ball a lot.

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