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Re: Attendance

Unread post by yosef69 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:19 pm

Do yall think we need to get some metal detectors? I know they're expensive but with small exits and bottlenecking issues I think it would be a good investment

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by AppTraveler » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:23 pm

Don’t want to beat a dead horse but there was a major issue with getting folks with disabilities out of the stadium too. There apparently were some buses but they just sat, sat and sat. Where the normal line is in the stadium was a zoo and there was no control by staff trying to accomodate people. The disabled parking lot is up the hill behind Holmes and that makes it impossible for disabled folks to go anywhere without transport. Wheelchairs, crutches, walkers etc just aren’t able to negotiate Stadium Drive or Hill Street not to mention those with other medical issues. We must do a better job!

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by AppTraveler » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:27 pm

yosef69 wrote:
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Do yall think we need to get some metal detectors? I know they're expensive but with small exits and bottlenecking issues I think it would be a good investment
Metal detectors for what? That doen’t help get anyone out of the stadium during an emergency.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:40 pm

I remember a few years ago there was a lightening delay and they came over the PA and told folks to head to Varsity. Since there was no construction the exit we took was across the field and out the gate by the ticket office and the large rock. Construction makes some of that not possible but having Varsity and Central Dining available would be a good start and then Holmes a bit farther away. I know there could be some overlap of events at times but not every home football Saturday is that going to be the case

Not everyone would go to these places as some would head to cars since they would be closer/easier.
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Re: Attendance

Unread post by yosef69 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:43 pm

AppTraveler wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:27 pm
yosef69 wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:19 pm
Do yall think we need to get some metal detectors? I know they're expensive but with small exits and bottlenecking issues I think it would be a good investment
Metal detectors for what? That doen’t help get anyone out of the stadium during an emergency.
No but it could prevent a hypothetical emergency.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by 97APP » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:53 pm

This, if used properly, could end up being a blessing in disguise. The storms ended up going around us so there was no danger actually present. However the admins will have a real world example of how their severe weather plan worked/failed. I definitely agree that safe locations should be identified for fans that aren't within easy walking distance and for those with mobility issues.
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Unread post by NewApp » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:12 pm

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:40 pm
I remember a few years ago there was a lightening delay and they came over the PA and told folks to head to Varsity. Since there was no construction the exit we took was across the field and out the gate by the ticket office and the large rock. Construction makes some of that not possible but having Varsity and Central Dining available would be a good start and then Holmes a bit farther away. I know there could be some overlap of events at times but not every home football Saturday is that going to be the case

Not everyone would go to these places as some would head to cars since they would be closer/easier.
I went to the dining hall and was impressed by the selection of food.
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Re: Attendance

Unread post by Appster99 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:51 pm

NewApp wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:12 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:40 pm
I remember a few years ago there was a lightening delay and they came over the PA and told folks to head to Varsity. Since there was no construction the exit we took was across the field and out the gate by the ticket office and the large rock. Construction makes some of that not possible but having Varsity and Central Dining available would be a good start and then Holmes a bit farther away. I know there could be some overlap of events at times but not every home football Saturday is that going to be the case

Not everyone would go to these places as some would head to cars since they would be closer/easier.
I went to the dining hall and was impressed by the selection of food.
That place is nice! The wife and I sat in the car for a while in Rivers Street deck. People were leaving so we moved the car down to the lower level. It made leaving at the end of the night easier. When it never started to rain we walked the crosswalk over Rivers St.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by Appster99 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:38 pm

bcoach wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:07 am
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Absolutely no exit plan in case of emergency. Pitiful planning. Actually NO planning. Total lack of leadership.
Pretty sure they tweeted out an emergency egress evacuation map on Thursday or Friday. Just saying
Did you watch it in action? Total incompetence.
I vote for an emergency action plan situation practice at the next game. Let's just stop the game again in the 1st quarter and train the fans. We can give a handout to everyone who enters with the "bcoach emergency exit strategy" and everything will run as smooth as silk! Then the next time we have an actual emergency everyone will heed the requests of the University and know exactly what to do. 'Cause you know, people are so good at following direction.

There is not a sports venue on the planet that has a flawless plan to evacuate 25,000 fans. One, people are invincible and do not listen unless there is an obvious, unquestionable impending danger to their health. Second, where are that many people supposed to go? How many arenas and stadiums have enough concourse area to house everyone if seats are emptied? If it is an NCAA rule that everyone must empty the stadium , including covered concourse areas, it is a stupid rule. Let people get struck by lightening - as long as it isn't inside the venue.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by TractorApp » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:29 pm

Fair to say our university staff and hired ushers/security did not earn their keep yesterday. Perhaps, it was because they didn't get any training on what to do in this type scenerio, but that can never be allowed to happen again. Doug Glenn and Chancellor Everts need to step up and develop a plan with a training element for staff and make sure what happened yesterday never happens again. Having one or both of them on the PA would have been much more efficient than what we got, which was not much. By God's grace we were spared, but had a strong and violent storm come over the stadium, that would have been a very bad and possibly tragic situation.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by bcoach » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:58 pm

Appster99 wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:38 pm
bcoach wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:07 am
ASU2012 wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:00 am
bcoach wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:52 pm
Absolutely no exit plan in case of emergency. Pitiful planning. Actually NO planning. Total lack of leadership.
Pretty sure they tweeted out an emergency egress evacuation map on Thursday or Friday. Just saying
Did you watch it in action? Total incompetence.
I vote for an emergency action plan situation practice at the next game. Let's just stop the game again in the 1st quarter and train the fans. We can give a handout to everyone who enters with the "bcoach emergency exit strategy" and everything will run as smooth as silk! Then the next time we have an actual emergency everyone will heed the requests of the University and know exactly what to do. 'Cause you know, people are so good at following direction.

There is not a sports venue on the planet that has a flawless plan to evacuate 25,000 fans. One, people are invincible and do not listen unless there is an obvious, unquestionable impending danger to their health. Second, where are that many people supposed to go? How many arenas and stadiums have enough concourse area to house everyone if seats are emptied? If it is an NCAA rule that everyone must empty the stadium , including covered concourse areas, it is a stupid rule. Let people get struck by lightening - as long as it isn't inside the venue.
You really have no idea at all what happened do you.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by appsfan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:01 pm

We were under the West stands in the concourse against the wall. The campus police came by and told us that we have to leave the stadium. We were told to go back to our cars and we would be notified when we could return.They did this in a professional manner. Our immediate thought was how is it safe to go out into the open due to a lightning threat, rather to stay in a covered, protected area? After hiking back to the Library Deck, breaking out chairs to wait it out, we finally heard when the restart would be. We started back to KBS then. Needless to say, I was pissed that as we entered and was walking up the hill to my seats, the game started and we missed seeing a couple plays. In the big picture, it's not a big thing, but come on man give the fans reasonable time to get back in...

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by appstatealum » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:11 pm

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They kept on saying "please exit," and used suggestive language, nothing definitive. The first "you MUST evacuate" came when ushers went into the stands to tell the last few people to leave.

I don't understand why the last bit of fans weren't allowed to stay underneath the concrete west stands. It's literally safer there than many other areas. They could have sold a lot of beer. I heard the club level was quite the spectacle during the delay.

Also, they should have allowed the students to exit via the field earlier than they did. Would have alleviated the choke points. Good thing the storm broke up before hitting Boone, otherwise it might have turned into a stampede.

I had one couple that said they were threatened with arrest for staying under the west stands. That's not a good way to keep people coming back.
Yeah, a handful of fans were getting into it with officers and you could tell the officer's patience were getting shorter. It had gotten ridiculous. I had my wife and two kids, we weren't attempting to get somewhere before the storm hit. I just kept going where the officers told me. We never officially left the stadium.
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Re: Attendance

Unread post by appstatealum » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:28 pm

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Pretty good assessment. I felt bad for them, they were in over their heads and handled everything pretty poorly. There was a younger lady on the force that was much nicer and got a better response from people. A couple of those officers were clowns and it was painful to watch how they handled things and spoke to people. *as I have mentioned before, my father was a 32+ year veteran of the CMPD and ran the academy two different times in his career before retiring.
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Re: Attendance

Unread post by t4pizza » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:14 pm

I still just want to know how a "sell out" has a lower announced attendance than the capacity of the stadium? It wasn't because of a lack of students, as that section was packed as always. The hill was fairly full as well. Not sure how we don't have a capacity crowd when the game is a sell out.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by ASU3432Mi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:32 pm

Just curious. Are the lower 3 levels of the new parking deck safe in a lightening storm? We went back to our 4th deck tailgate so I don't guess we were any safer than staying in KBS.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by TheMoody1 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:38 pm

t4pizza wrote:
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I still just want to know how a "sell out" has a lower announced attendance than the capacity of the stadium?
I would assume it means that some people who bought tickets didn't show up.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by t4pizza » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:52 pm

TheMoody1 wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:38 pm
t4pizza wrote:
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I still just want to know how a "sell out" has a lower announced attendance than the capacity of the stadium?
I would assume it means that some people who bought tickets didn't show up.
In the past they have always stated attendance was announce by tickets sold not butts in seats. So unless they have changed that, people not showing up should have not impact on announced attendance.

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Unread post by t4pizza » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:52 pm

TheMoody1 wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:38 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:14 pm
I still just want to know how a "sell out" has a lower announced attendance than the capacity of the stadium?
I would assume it means that some people who bought tickets didn't show up.
In the past they have always stated attendance was announce by tickets sold not butts in seats. So unless they have changed that, people not showing up should have not impact on announced attendance.

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Re: Attendance

Unread post by 97APP » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:36 am

Most places count Tickets sold + Student attendance (since all students have access for "free" they have to actually attend to be counted). My guess is that a lot of students (and their families) decided not to go since the weather was threatening. Family day and Homecoming are always the worst as far as fan involvement. Literal definition of fair weather fans.
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