App State looks to correct mistakes going into game with ULM

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Re: App State looks to correct mistakes going into game with ULM

Unread post by bcoach » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:06 am

The assistant coaches are accountable to the head coach. The head coach is accountable to the AD. I don't see us in that chain of command. Now when it comes to off the field or total yearly performance, accountability goes from the AD up the chain. I still don't see us on any link of that chain. We are spectators. Some are very engaged spectators but still spectators. Nobody in the department has any reporting responsibility to us.

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Unread post by Rekdiver » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 am

Then why hold a press conference?

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Unread post by bcoach » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:29 am

Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 am
Then why hold a press conference?
To answer questions from the press and make any other statements that they want to make.

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Unread post by EastHallApp » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:36 am

I think coaches *should* admit mistakes. I'm not sure a single play call that didn't work qualifies, though. I get the rationale, but I think fans just get frustrated when a key play fails and playcalling is an easy scapegoat.

I was way more frustrated with our clock management problems in a couple of last year's losses than with any given play.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:40 am

General statements about dropped passes and penalties are obvious and unequivocal points. Whether a particular call in a specific instance was good or not is ultimately a function of whether is worked. It hinges on execution and on whether the D failed to respond. There are certainly plays in almost every game I watch where I am completely baffled by the call. I just don't believe I am owed an explanation. BCoach put it very well....I just don't see us (the fans) in that chain of accountability.

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Unread post by appvette » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:01 pm

The fans are their consumers / stakeholders so they aren't accountable to us in that sense but we do need to be considered. When a business puts out a product that is defective or harmful, they are expected to explain and make it right to the consumers and shareholders (recalls, upgraded versions, etc). However, I also agree that a questionable play call doesn't always require explanation. A poor season with great returning talent does (eg Georgia Southern)

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:05 pm

Rekdiver wrote:
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Then why hold a press conference?
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Re: App State looks to correct mistakes going into game with ULM

Unread post by NewApp » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:30 pm

Just because a play doesn’t work doesn’t necessarily mean it was a bad call. Perhaps they were trying to run something the opponent wasn’t expecting. Someone was posting on here the other week that we weren’t running the jet sweep enough.
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Unread post by Rekdiver » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:47 pm

bcoach wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:29 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 am
Then why hold a press conference?
To answer questions from the press and make any other statements that they want to make.
Ok Im a member of the liberal press and ask this question? "Do you think you made a mistake in calling a Jet sweep on 3rd and 2 instead of pounding it on your right side that had been effective all 2nd half?"?

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Unread post by bcoach » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:04 pm

Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:47 pm
bcoach wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:29 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 am
Then why hold a press conference?
To answer questions from the press and make any other statements that they want to make.
Ok Im a member of the liberal press and ask this question? "Do you think you made a mistake in calling a Jet sweep on 3rd and 2 instead of pounding it on your right side that had been effective all 2nd half?"?
Have they answered you yet?

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Unread post by Rekdiver » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:14 pm

Unless they are Saban they would have answered...............

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Unread post by AtlAppMan » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:22 pm

Satt may tell his players not to listen to your liberal press because it is like Rat Poison

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:25 pm

AtlAppMan wrote:
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Satt may tell his players not to listen to your liberal press because it is like Rat Poison
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Unread post by CVAPP » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:58 pm

I think it comes down to this. Satt. thought that play would work. It wasn't his first mistake and it won't be his last. We are undefeated in the SBC, and maybe looking a little bit like Arky State teams in years past. If our coach was due a blunder he picked the absolute best time left this season to have one. I don't think his feet need to held to the fire over this.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:18 am

CVAPP wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:58 pm
I think it comes down to this. Satt. thought that play would work. It wasn't his first mistake and it won't be his last. We are undefeated in the SBC, and maybe looking a little bit like Arky State teams in years past. If our coach was due a blunder he picked the absolute best time left this season to have one. I don't think his feet need to held to the fire over this.
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:52 am

Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:47 pm
bcoach wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:29 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 am
Then why hold a press conference?
To answer questions from the press and make any other statements that they want to make.
Ok Im a member of the liberal press and ask this question? "Do you think you made a mistake in calling a Jet sweep on 3rd and 2 instead of pounding it on your right side that had been effective all 2nd half?"?
I didn’t have a problem with the play call, sweep vs straight at em. I would have run it to the right and not the left.

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Re: App State looks to correct mistakes going into game with ULM

Unread post by App91 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:10 am

WVAPPeer wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:25 pm
AtlAppMan wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:22 pm
Satt may tell his players not to listen to your liberal press because it is like Rat Poison
What?
Guess you have not been watching many Game Days on the 4 letter network or Finebaum! :lol:

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Unread post by Rekdiver » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:25 am

Im not holding Satt's feet to the fire at all...but use a little logic here:
Defense has 9 guys in the box...it's 3rd and 2. We can run out the clock with a first down.
What is the worst thing that can happen if the jet sweep downs work...we lose 5 yards.

All I said while Satt was pointing out the mistakes of fumbles and penalties he could have said
" yeah, and in hindsight we should have run the ball into the right side or considered an option run with Taylor and at least given us the option of going for it on 4th down." That is on me" It is good to hear coaches own mistakes instead of ignoring them or being defensive( and Im not saying Satt was defensive).

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:45 am

App91 wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:10 am
WVAPPeer wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:25 pm
AtlAppMan wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:22 pm
Satt may tell his players not to listen to your liberal press because it is like Rat Poison
What?
Guess you have not been watching many Game Days on the 4 letter network or Finebaum! :lol:
yeah I do remember something about rat poison now - what was it again?
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Re: App State looks to correct mistakes going into game with ULM

Unread post by Rick83 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:00 am

Rekdiver wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:25 am
Im not holding Satt's feet to the fire at all...but use a little logic here:
Defense has 9 guys in the box...it's 3rd and 2. We can run out the clock with a first down.
What is the worst thing that can happen if the jet sweep downs work...we lose 5 yards.

All I said while Satt was pointing out the mistakes of fumbles and penalties he could have said
" yeah, and in hindsight we should have run the ball into the right side or considered an option run with Taylor and at least given us the option of going for it on 4th down." That is on me" It is good to hear coaches own mistakes instead of ignoring them or being defensive( and Im not saying Satt was defensive).
Just playing devil's advocate here, but if the obvious thing was to run the ball on the right side then maybe he thought the UMass defensive coach thought that as well, so he ran the sweep to the left to catch them off-guard and it just didn't work. I've given up trying to second guess play calling because those guys (the coaching staff) know way more about the players on the field on both sides. They also have a better understanding of the game situation in the moment and don't have the luxury of seeing if a play works before deciding if it's a good idea or not as we do. Perhaps the players didn't execute that play the way the coaches wanted them to or someone missed an assignment or the UMass defense did something differently in that situation than they normally do. I doubt that Satt ever thinks he's mistake-free, but in this situation if he had run it to the right and it didn't work then we'd all be saying "why did he keep going to the right because they were totally expecting that!? Why not try something on the left that was unexpected." Just saying it's easy to second guess and the coaches only have so many seconds to call the play and get the right personnel on the field to execute it.

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