Texas St game

[MAD Doctor]

I believe the past two weeks have been a reality check. We are a good football team capable of accomplishing our two main objectives- winning the conference and a bowl game. But assuming that we should breeze through the conference since we don't play Troy or Ark State, and that we should handle Wake at home, was a bit too ambitious. Also, replacing what we lost is proving more difficult than we thought. Let's improve, take the games one at a time, and hopefully leaders will emerge and we can maintain what we've started.
Go APP!

[bigdaddyg]

The ultimate uncomfortable observation (for me at least) is while watching a game on television our entire offense is visible on the screen- every play is within 20 yards. Of course SSU was the exception and they were pitiful. I agree with the above. Unless we are holding back or unless we make some serious decisions or changes our team is flat out easy to gameplan against. Hennigan can get his catches and will ultimately be a really good one but with zero down field threats teams can keep all 11 defenders within 20 yards of the ball and can contain us. How many times did we have second and manageable only to turn it into third and 9 or worse? When TL has to bail us out repeatedly with scrambles it's not good. Hopefully there won't be a pep rally this week and we really come ready for Wake.

[app97]

I saw this Tx St game as a trap game for a while, especially with the improvement expected with Everett Withers as coach, and the level of the recruits in the state of Texas. Last year we beat them by a respectable margin, but I don't remember it being an easy day off for us. It seems like we were sort of flat against them last year as well. I'm also thinking the game at Idaho could be interesting, and you never know...maybe the game at Ga State with Sean Elliot in charge. He will have his team ready for us. I agree with the poster who mentioned that we are obviously missing Law, Gilchrist, Marcus Cox, etc. I don't want to call names but we have a veteran defensive back that appears to not be in it to win it at times. I'm just surprised that someone with that much experience could be so far away from the ball so many times.

[Seattleapp]

Texas State is going to go 4-8 and lose a couple games because of this game's film. They could be really good next season once they get depth.

Offense was vanilla and Lamb was not good. Eventually he'll have to throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield if teams keep stacking the box against the run. Even some of the short passes were wobbly and had no zip of them.

This was a gritty win despite poor play.

Dude don't say anything negative about Lamb on this board or his fan club will come after you. How many throws did he miss yesterday? And i mean badly. He threw for 150 yards as a senior and I know people are going to go nuts on me but we have got to have a better more accurate performance next week. Wake is good

[App90]

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HOME team in CAPS (if both teams in lower case, game is at neutral location)
The HOME ADVANTAGE has been factored in for all HOME and CLOSEBY games. No home edge is applied in neutral games.
In a CLOSEBY game, half of the normal home advantage has been applied.
Regular Method Predictions "New Feature" Offense-Defense Method Predictions

FAVORITE Rating Points Gold Recent UNDERDOG FAVORITE WINNER LOSER SPREAD TOTAL UNDERDOG
wake forest 7.16 10.26 4.73 7.51 APPALACHIAN STAT wake forest 18.05 - 16.89 1.16 34.93 APPALACHIAN STAT

This tells me something different yes ASU had a very bad and I mean a very bad game. We can coat it all we want that Texas State has improved (yes a little) but fumbling the ball on the 1 yard line is a a hideous mistake something ASU seems to do in one or two games EVERY year. ASU had a 2000 mile flight, played in 90 degree heat with 70 percent humidity, missing key starters, i can go on and on. Those are intangibles the spread does not see. The way I see this the new Sagarin method says ASU's defense is really really good, the offense has regressed over this season, but ASU is missing some key parts to it as we all know. I think we all should just wait and see what happens on Saturday. They found a way to win. I am at a loss as to why some of our guys make the mistakes they make but it is college football. Should be an interesting game Saturday in Boone. Make mistakes in this one and it will be over with quick.

[MtnDevil95]

I agree with the sentiment that App has gone from hunting to being hunted. App is going to get every Sun Belt team's best shot. They will get up for games against App, even when App doesn't get up for them and that's going to make for some nail biters until App get's used to it.

Last night the offense was completely flat in the first quarter at least. I was pleased at how App opened it up a bit on the first drive of the 3rd quarter, but honestly the offense is not my biggest concern for this team based on what I saw last night. Sure the OL is definitely not opening the lanes it did last year, and the pass protection is questionable at times, but we all saw that coming.

My biggest concern is how much yardage the defense gave up on 3rd and long. It was rather frustrating to see the defense hold or even push back on 1st and 2nd down, then give up 15, 20 even 30+ yards on 3rd. Not just Wake, but several other teams (even Stink) will put significantly more points up if the App doesn't figure how to stop 3rd and long conversions.

[appbio91]

Heat, road game, looking ahead, all the above. UGLY win.

Every champion has a win they won ugly, but not sure I can bare another this season.

Clemson could have easily lost to Troy last year

[appbio91]

I've heard nothing on why Moore didn't play from middle of 3rd qtr on.

Coach said he got dinged, no details other than he could not go back in so Upshaw stepped up

[WVAPPeer]

Texas State is going to go 4-8 and lose a couple games because of this game's film. They could be really good next season once they get depth.

Offense was vanilla and Lamb was not good. Eventually he'll have to throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield if teams keep stacking the box against the run. Even some of the short passes were wobbly and had no zip of them.

This was a gritty win despite poor play.

Dude don't say anything negative about Lamb on this board or his fan club will come after you. How many throws did he miss yesterday? And i mean badly. He threw for 150 yards as a senior and I know people are going to go nuts on me but we have got to have a better more accurate performance next week. Wake is good

What amazes me about comments like this is the total lack of factual information - Yes, Taylor didn't have his best game but you nor I know who was at fault with the missed throws - Was the play a 10 yard out and Taylor threw a 10 yard out and our freshman receiver actually ran a 12 yard out??? - was his throw off target because the rush kept him from stepping into his throw - without our top 2 receivers (both capable threats) our 3 top receivers last night were all FRESHMEN - When we have a senior QB who has started 4 years makes a throw and the receiver is not there then my first thought is that the inexperienced receiver most probably ran the wrong route -

[Goapps15]

The only mistake Taylor made was extending the ball at the 1 on first and goal. Outside of that he played fine.

[Saint3333]

Lamb would be the first to say that was probably his worst game in the last two years with missed throws (there were some please don't debate this) and the fumble. He'll be more focused than ever this week and hopefully get a couple get WRs back to go with the stud freshman duo.

We get the chance to put Meadors, Hennigan, Evans, and Malik out their that's a DBs nightmare.

I know they play similar WR positions before someone points this out.

[WVAPPeer]

Yes, he did have a couple of bad looking throws -

[AppinATL]

Texas State is going to go 4-8 and lose a couple games because of this game's film. They could be really good next season once they get depth.

Offense was vanilla and Lamb was not good. Eventually he'll have to throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield if teams keep stacking the box against the run. Even some of the short passes were wobbly and had no zip of them.

This was a gritty win despite poor play.

Dude don't say anything negative about Lamb on this board or his fan club will come after you. How many throws did he miss yesterday? And i mean badly. He threw for 150 yards as a senior and I know people are going to go nuts on me but we have got to have a better more accurate performance next week. Wake is good

I guess I'm among the Lamb fan club you are talking about, but when I have backed him up, it's because I felt the criticism was unfair or unrealistic. Lamb had a bad game last night. I don't see how anyone could argue with that, including Lamb himself. That fumble at the one threw the doors wide open for Texas State at the moment when we should have iced it. And it was not a physical mistake that just happens sometimes. It was a mental mistake (bone headed play) that is just inexcusable, especially in that situation.
But with all that and all the other struggling he had during the game, let's not forget, he still helped us pull out the win and get out of there with all our pre-season goals intact at least for another week. Credit where credit is due and fair criticism when it's due.

[appstate77]

In his post game comments Satt said that Taylor was also "dinged up" last night.

[AppStateMtneer]

The only mistake Taylor made was extending the ball at the 1 on first and goal. Outside of that he played fine.

Could point out other faults but I could do that for just about everyone... biggest changes that need to be addressed that are going to dictate how the Wake game goes comes from the coaching:

Defensively
1. Get play calls in much faster against Wake on the defensive side of the ball... Wake has an extremely fast hurry up offense. Edit- adding that this week we need to stress not to over pursue... we missed tackles/opportunities because we let our own speed beat us several times... that led to letting their qb scramble on us. Go over the fundamentals!

Offensively
2. Have to involve the TEs on offense early and often and run outside more.. fact is we are weak interior on the O line... we have speed and we aren't utilizing it. Coach wants to establish the run... I get that but you can establish the run without running between the tackles... TL hasn't proven he can't throw it deep down field...but does exceptionally well short over the middle... force the LBers to cheat outside to stop the run and throw it down their throats in the middle...

[sixtoes9134]

I agree with the sentiment that App has gone from hunting to being hunted. App is going to get every Sun Belt team's best shot. They will get up for games against App, even when App doesn't get up for them and that's going to make for some nail biters until App get's used to it.

Last night the offense was completely flat in the first quarter at least. I was pleased at how App opened it up a bit on the first drive of the 3rd quarter, but honestly the offense is not my biggest concern for this team based on what I saw last night. Sure the OL is definitely not opening the lanes it did last year, and the pass protection is questionable at times, but we all saw that coming.

My biggest concern is how much yardage the defense gave up on 3rd and long. It was rather frustrating to see the defense hold or even push back on 1st and 2nd down, then give up 15, 20 even 30+ yards on 3rd. Not just Wake, but several other teams (even Stink) will put significantly more points up if the App doesn't figure how to stop 3rd and long conversions.

Our D was on the field too much last night and it was really hot and humid. I'm far more concerned about the OL play than I am anything else right now. That's got to get better.

[AppStateMtneer]

The only mistake Taylor made was extending the ball at the 1 on first and goal. Outside of that he played fine.

Could point out other faults but I could do that for just about everyone... biggest changes that need to be addressed that are going to dictate how the Wake game goes comes from the coaching:

Defensively
1. Get play calls in much faster against Wake on the defensive side of the ball... Wake has an extremely fast hurry up offense. Edit- adding that this week we need to stress not to over pursue... we missed tackles/opportunities because we let our own speed beat us several times... that led to letting their qb scramble on us. Go over the fundamentals!

Offensively
2. Have to involve the TEs on offense early and often and run outside more.. fact is we are weak interior on the O line... we have speed and we aren't utilizing it. Coach wants to establish the run... I get that but you can establish the run without running between the tackles... TL hasn't proven he can throw it deep down field...but does exceptionally well short over the middle... force the LBers to cheat outside to stop the run and throw it down their throats in the middle...

[APPdiesel]

I don't like to harp on play calling (my friend who never played or coached does that enough) but where's the creativity in what we do? We're clearly not big enough up front to blow defenses off the ball, ie rendering the stretch play and the inside zone relatively ineffective. Despite what anyone says, it is predictable and just throwing 10 yd routes isn't enough to open that up. Defenses rarely look off balance against us.

All that being said, stoked to get that win. Good teams find ways to win even when they aren't playing well. Hopefully that's all that was and not indicative of deeper issues. Doubt at this point of the season we're still holding anything back as to not show Wake too much.

[JTApps1]

In his post game comments Satt said that Taylor was also "dinged up" last night.

He hurt his throwing shoulder on his long run just before the half. He went to the locker room early after we scored.

[bcoach]

After the last three games we need to be a little more humble.