Basketball and the AD

[App Band]

It has nothing to do with any perks, bonuses, etc. It's the way I've been treated PERSONALLY on more than one occasion. NEVER by any players or coaches, though. My relationships...especially with those kids...are precious to me. That's what keeps me going!

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

Playing devil's advocate, could you say for certain that w/o Cobb and Peacock we would have enjoyed equal success? It does cut both ways, you know.

wanna really go out on a limb???? try also linking mickey matthews to this conversation. i believe he's the one who pointed out more success would come running the spread with armanti over trey. yes the 1st championship was with ritchie but the explosion of asu wins and fan support is due to several factors...and yes, p.r. of the chancellor helps but last i checked, peacock doesn't know how to read a defensive scheme yet...

[JCline0429]

Playing devil's advocate, could you say for certain that w/o Cobb and Peacock we would have enjoyed equal success? It does cut both ways, you know.

wanna really go out on a limb???? try also linking mickey matthews to this conversation. i believe he's the one who pointed out more success would come running the spread with armanti over trey. yes the 1st championship was with ritchie but the explosion of asu wins and fan support is due to several factors...and yes, p.r. of the chancellor helps but last i checked, peacock doesn't know how to read a defensive scheme yet...

Bingo, BHG re: the Chancellor and ditto for the AD in that he shouldn't be involved in details of the O and D either. He's paid too much for that.
And there were tons on here who persisted in communicating that Trey should have been the starting QB over Armanti.

FWIW...rep point.

[JCline0429]

I hated Fancher more than anyone.

I find it hard to believe anyone would use the word "hate" in describing HF. First and foremost he was a guy of great character and integrity. Not to mention a prince of a fellow who was easily approachable. He recruited young men who did not get into trouble, were active in community service work, graduated on time and complied team APR's that ranked in the top ten percent in the nation. All while working with one of the smallest budgets in the conference.

My opinion of Fancher has mellowed, but I have to remind you he recruited successfully an accused counterfeiter. He ultimately was mostly exonerated but the court took under consideration that his youth played a role and that by being accepted at ASU he showed that he was turning his life around. Had he been older, he likely wouldn't have fared so well. He was not recruited by some other programs because of the accusations. Fancher has to be credited with the kid's turnaround but at great risk. Just an annecdote,the Elon students at the first Elon game waved $20 bills when he hit the court but that isn't surprising coming from their spoiled brats.

IMOP, what you say is correct to a large extent. However, ALL ASU coaches were told exactly the same thing as Moore. My question is (and I already know what answer the ones who didn't appreciate Moore very much will say), but I feel compelled to ask the question "Can you say for certain that the successful years we had would have happened under a coach's leadership besides Jerry Moore?"
I ask that question because there have been several on this board who have implied that without Cobb specifically, the three NC's and win over Michigan would not have happened. Only one or two have actually said that, but many have implied that.

It's good to know that you agree with and support yourself.

Support myself What the heck does that mean

[ASU-FTW]

^ Referring to how you quoted yourself a few posts above. It appeared as though you were talking to yourself. Pretty funny, actually.

[hapapp]

My senior year (72-73) was Maravich's first year and they won 6 games. They won 5 the next and three his final year at the helm. Of course, he didn't finish out the season after his wife committed suicide. It was a sad and tragic end to his coaching career.

Jerry, I think he was burned out by the time he got here especially dealing with his wife's problems. Too, his version of the presses centered around being able to recruit the calibre of players who could run it not to mention some of his schemes were becoming outdated.. He did bring in some guys although it seems they had to be Serbian to get in the door.

If you recall he talked about our lack of basketball "genes." Of course, one player from that era that did have the "genes" was Stan Davis.

It was a sad time for both ASU basketball and Maravich personally.

[BeauFoster]

You said this:

My opinion of Fancher has mellowed, but I have to remind you he recruited successfully an accused counterfeiter. He ultimately was mostly exonerated but the court took under consideration that his youth played a role and that by being accepted at ASU he showed that he was turning his life around. Had he been older, he likely wouldn't have fared so well. He was not recruited by some other programs because of the accusations. Fancher has to be credited with the kid's turnaround but at great risk. Just an annecdote,the Elon students at the first Elon game waved $20 bills when he hit the court but that isn't surprising coming from their spoiled brats.

Then quoted it and said this:

IMOP, what you say is correct to a large extent. However, ALL ASU coaches were told exactly the same thing as Moore. My question is (and I already know what answer the ones who didn't appreciate Moore very much will say), but I feel compelled to ask the question "Can you say for certain that the successful years we had would have happened under a coach's leadership besides Jerry Moore?"
I ask that question because there have been several on this board who have implied that without Cobb specifically, the three NC's and win over Michigan would not have happened. Only one or two have actually said that, but many have implied that.

You quoted yourself, and said that you agreed with it.

[JCline0429]

Wrong button. It was intended for the poster on the same subject.