Interesting observation

[NewApp]

Most of the people who hate UNC don't hate Duke.

The interesting thing to me is that I'm not sure it's going to be that easy for K and his staff to "help" Allen, whatever that means. I'm sure they don't want him tripping people. But Duke has trained their players for years in various little tricks - the leg kick when jump shooting, jumping sideways into an airborne defender, shoving a player in the lower back just as he jumps for a rebound, and of course the infamous flopping. I don't know how you teach all that and then take a hard line on tripping. Guess we'll see.

Duke wasn't the first and only ones to do the things you mentioned above.

[NewApp]

I think the main reason is because it happened against (F)elon...we don't give a damn about Elon on this board! Cheap shot artist in their own right on the football field.

I care about Elon...as in loving to see them lose in any sport.

[mountaineerman]

While I completely get what you're saying, I think the reason many of us at Appalachian (and around the state in general) are concerned with what is happening at UNC-Chapel Hill is because that school is the flagship university of the UNC System. UNC is favored by the Board of Governors, putting the rest of the UNC System schools at a big disadvantage. Out of the 32 Board of Governors, 12 of them are alumni of UNC-Chapel Hill. No other school in the UNC System has more than 4 of their alums on the Board of Governors. NC State has 4, ECU has 4, and App has 3. Other schools, like UNCW and UNCSA, have no representation at all.

The bias towards UNC-Chapel Hill in this state is without question. It is very clear and evident to everybody in the UNC System, the ACC, the NCAA, the North Carolina government, and everywhere else. People have the right to be mad that our flagship university has cheated for years now, yet they are getting away with it without even a slap on the wrist.

Yeah, Grayson Allen messed up at Duke and he should he held accountable for it. I don't think much has been said about it on here, though, because 1. most App fans aren't basketball-centric; 2. Duke does not represent the UNC System or North Carolina as a whole; 3. Duke does not share a budget with Appalachian the way UNC-Chapel Hill does; and 4. it's bowl season, meaning most fans are watching what's going on on the field more so than the court.

Spot on, on all counts.

Except the fact that the Allen comparison has not one thing to do with what is happening at uncheat?

[Appdoggy]

While I completely get what you're saying, I think the reason many of us at Appalachian (and around the state in general) are concerned with what is happening at UNC-Chapel Hill is because that school is the flagship university of the UNC System. UNC is favored by the Board of Governors, putting the rest of the UNC System schools at a big disadvantage. Out of the 32 Board of Governors, 12 of them are alumni of UNC-Chapel Hill. No other school in the UNC System has more than 4 of their alums on the Board of Governors. NC State has 4, ECU has 4, and App has 3. Other schools, like UNCW and UNCSA, have no representation at all.

The bias towards UNC-Chapel Hill in this state is without question. It is very clear and evident to everybody in the UNC System, the ACC, the NCAA, the North Carolina government, and everywhere else. People have the right to be mad that our flagship university has cheated for years now, yet they are getting away with it without even a slap on the wrist.

Yeah, Grayson Allen messed up at Duke and he should he held accountable for it. I don't think much has been said about it on here, though, because 1. most App fans aren't basketball-centric; 2. Duke does not represent the UNC System or North Carolina as a whole; 3. Duke does not share a budget with Appalachian the way UNC-Chapel Hill does; and 4. it's bowl season, meaning most fans are watching what's going on on the field more so than the court.

I agree that UNC should face an athletic punishment. If the NCAA was at all competent they would have imposed something 4 or 5 years ago. It looks like with this most recent development they will be doing something. Sucks for current players who had nothing to do with it.

On another note, the board of governors ratio you mentioned is probably about right, honestly. UNC is and always will be the most important school in the UNC System. It's the oldest U.S. public uni and, most importantly, houses some of the best graduate programs in the country. I love App and I would like to see them get additional representation there but this is just reality.

[TheMoody1]

Sucks for current players who had nothing to do with it.

True, but this story has been out there for a long time. Any athlete choosing UNC-cheat should have known there could possibly be some penalties. I will believe it when I see it.

[HeffnerIV]

Sucks for current players who had nothing to do with it.

True, but this story has been out there for a long time. Any athlete choosing UNC-cheat should have known there could possibly be some penalties. I will believe it when I see it.

True, but they're not getting blue chips in basketball. They're recruiting with the likes of middle-of-the-pack conference foes. Where they actually are benefiting from this is that they get four-year guys now so they get a chance to develop guys and continuity.

[Appdoggy]

Sucks for current players who had nothing to do with it.

True, but this story has been out there for a long time. Any athlete choosing UNC-cheat should have known there could possibly be some penalties. I will believe it when I see it.

True, but they're not getting blue chips in basketball. They're recruiting with the likes of middle-of-the-pack conference foes. Where they actually are benefiting from this is that they get four-year guys now so they get a chance to develop guys and continuity.

As a fan, I kind of like how UNC hasn't been able to get into the one-and-done market like Duke and Kentucky. Those players couldn't give less of a crap about the school and you barely get to know them before they're gone. They just view it as a short detour before the NBA. No way anything is expected of those guys academically.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Sucks for current players who had nothing to do with it.

True, but this story has been out there for a long time. Any athlete choosing UNC-cheat should have known there could possibly be some penalties. I will believe it when I see it.

True, but they're not getting blue chips in basketball. They're recruiting with the likes of middle-of-the-pack conference foes. Where they actually are benefiting from this is that they get four-year guys now so they get a chance to develop guys and continuity.

As a fan, I kind of like how UNC hasn't been able to get into the one-and-done market like Duke and Kentucky. Those players couldn't give less of a crap about the school and you barely get to know them before they're gone. They just view it as a short detour before the NBA. No way anything is expected of those guys academically.

The Duke fan in me says...When you offer fake college courses, players are likely to stay...The college basketball fan as a whole says...Coaches K and Calipari both recruit players that stay long term. Speaking for Duke, Matt Jones, Amile Jefferson, Grayson Allen, Luke Kennard will likely return for his Junior year. All of these guys get serious playing time. Of course some will stay short term, but until the NBA changes it to something similar to the NFL, why not go after top high school talent even if they stay short term?

[Yosef10]

UNC would have one and dones if they could actually land them. It's not like they're not recruiting them and taking this route for morality purposes.

[Appdoggy]

UNC would have one and dones if they could actually land them. It's not like they're not recruiting them and taking this route for morality purposes.

Yeah I never said they weren't attempting to recruit them. I just said personally, as a fan, that I'm glad we aren't getting these players. They're getting players that are buying into the school and are there for the long haul.

[AppDawg]

UNC would have one and dones if they could actually land them. It's not like they're not recruiting them and taking this route for morality purposes.

Yeah I never said they weren't attempting to recruit them. I just said personally, as a fan, that I'm glad we aren't getting these players. They're getting players that are buying into the school and are there for the long haul.

Just curious... did you go to or do you have a degree from the school on the hill?

All the "we" talk.... I am curious.

[CornCobPipes]

This what you call making a name for yourself for the rest of your life.......TRIP ALLEN

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

UNC would have one and dones if they could actually land them. It's not like they're not recruiting them and taking this route for morality purposes.

Malik Monk and Harry Giles for example.

[NewApp]

UNC would have one and dones if they could actually land them. It's not like they're not recruiting them and taking this route for morality purposes.

Yeah I never said they weren't attempting to recruit them. I just said personally, as a fan, that I'm glad we aren't getting these players. They're getting players that are buying into the school and are there for the long haul.

Just curious... did you go to or do you have a degree from the school on the hill?

All the "we" talk.... I am curious.

I was wondering about the "we" part myself.

[Appdoggy]

UNC would have one and dones if they could actually land them. It's not like they're not recruiting them and taking this route for morality purposes.

Yeah I never said they weren't attempting to recruit them. I just said personally, as a fan, that I'm glad we aren't getting these players. They're getting players that are buying into the school and are there for the long haul.

Just curious... did you go to or do you have a degree from the school on the hill?

All the "we" talk.... I am curious.

I was wondering about the "we" part myself.

I am currently in a 3 year graduate program at UNC. App will always be number one for me but UNC is my number two.

[AppDawg]

UNC would have one and dones if they could actually land them. It's not like they're not recruiting them and taking this route for morality purposes.

Yeah I never said they weren't attempting to recruit them. I just said personally, as a fan, that I'm glad we aren't getting these players. They're getting players that are buying into the school and are there for the long haul.

Just curious... did you go to or do you have a degree from the school on the hill?

All the "we" talk.... I am curious.

I was wondering about the "we" part myself.

I am currently in a 3 year graduate program at UNC. App will always be number one for me but UNC is my number two.

That's awesome. Best of luck!

I see you are rather new to the board... for the folks that have been around on the MMB awhile (Delphi), I think we have dodged an App Law Violation.

[AppAttack]

Who cares about either? We all know UNC men's basketball will not be significantly punished and Allen will not miss that many games. Not even worth mentioning.

[Appdoggy]

Yeah I never said they weren't attempting to recruit them. I just said personally, as a fan, that I'm glad we aren't getting these players. They're getting players that are buying into the school and are there for the long haul.

Just curious... did you go to or do you have a degree from the school on the hill?

All the "we" talk.... I am curious.

I was wondering about the "we" part myself.

I am currently in a 3 year graduate program at UNC. App will always be number one for me but UNC is my number two.

That's awesome. Best of luck!

I see you are rather new to the board... for the folks that have been around on the MMB awhile (Delphi), I think we have dodged an App Law Violation.

Yeah I've been reading YC for about 6.5 years so I guess I'm pretty new