ECU vs APP

[oasispirate]

I'll say it again, I don't have any issue with playing App St, especially if we're going to schedule other Sun Belt, C-USA, and Mac opponents. However, in the past 10 years our OOC schedule has consisted of mostly P5 teams. The only G5s we have scheduled are Navy and BYU who are both national programs. We have had a few FCS in recent years due to unbalanced series with South Carolina and Florida.

When you're fighting for exposure/branding and revenue we need as many P5s as we can get, no one knows what the future holds for college football. Unfortunately everyday is a fight for relevance/survival. We should be playing an exclusively all P5 OOC schedule if at all possible.

05, Duke, WF, and WVU
06, Navy, WVU, UVA, and NCSU
07, VA Tech, UNC, WVU, NCSU
08, VA Tech, WVU, NCSU, UVA
09, App St, WVU, UNC, VA Tech
10, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU, Navy
11, SC, Va Tech, UNC, Navy
12, App St, SC, UNC, Navy
13, ODU, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU
14, NCCU, SC, VA Tech, UNC
15, Towson, Florida, BYU, Va Tech
16, Western Carolina, NCSU, SC, and Va Tech

Most of our fans over the years were already not happy with adding an FCS team over the years. Maybe the reality of our situation has changed and it's forced our hands with the unbalanced SEC series. It doesn't change the fact that adding any G5 to those schedules not named BYU, Boise St, or previously Navy, would be viewed as a downgrade. That's not to say App St, can't play, we all know they can. Unfortunately right now we're fighting for our college football lives.

Our schedule isn't dodging anyone, in fact if we had 2 sure wins OOC like most teams have we would have at minimum 3-4 more double digit win seasons over the last decade.

You are playing an FCS team for the sixth straight year so if you replace that game with us you're improving your schedule regardless of venue. It will also be more difficult to get 3 P5 teams a year with all of those leagues making a push to play more OOC games against other P5's. Besides, it is a bit hypocritical of Pirate fans to expect multiple P5 schools to play ECU and make trips to Greenville, but then balk at the idea of a similar request from an in-state G5 school.

[oasispirate]

I'll say it again, I don't have any issue with playing App St, especially if we're going to schedule other Sun Belt, C-USA, and Mac opponents. However, in the past 10 years our OOC schedule has consisted of mostly P5 teams. The only G5s we have scheduled are Navy and BYU who are both national programs. We have had a few FCS in recent years due to unbalanced series with South Carolina and Florida.

When you're fighting for exposure/branding and revenue we need as many P5s as we can get, no one knows what the future holds for college football. Unfortunately everyday is a fight for relevance/survival. We should be playing an exclusively all P5 OOC schedule if at all possible.

05, Duke, WF, and WVU
06, Navy, WVU, UVA, and NCSU
07, VA Tech, UNC, WVU, NCSU
08, VA Tech, WVU, NCSU, UVA
09, App St, WVU, UNC, VA Tech
10, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU, Navy
11, SC, Va Tech, UNC, Navy
12, App St, SC, UNC, Navy
13, ODU, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU
14, NCCU, SC, VA Tech, UNC
15, Towson, Florida, BYU, Va Tech
16, Western Carolina, NCSU, SC, and Va Tech

Most of our fans over the years were already not happy with adding an FCS team over the years. Maybe the reality of our situation has changed and it's forced our hands with the unbalanced SEC series. It doesn't change the fact that adding any G5 to those schedules not named BYU, Boise St, or previously Navy, would be viewed as a downgrade. That's not to say App St, can't play, we all know they can. Unfortunately right now we're fighting for our college football lives.

Our schedule isn't dodging anyone, in fact if we had 2 sure wins OOC like most teams have we would have at minimum 3-4 more double digit win seasons over the last decade.

You are playing an FCS team for the sixth straight year so if you replace that game with us you're improving your schedule regardless of venue. It will also be more difficult to get 3 P5 teams a year with all of those leagues making a push to play more OOC games against other P5's. Besides, it is a bit hypocritical of Pirate fans to expect multiple P5 schools to play ECU and make trips to Greenville, but then balk at the idea of a similar request from an in-state G5 school.

We don't have to go on the road and play an FCS game. The App, ODU, and Marshall series replace what has been a P5 series over the last decade. That's why our fans view it as a downgrade. It's not a slight against those programs. I wouldn't expect App to replace their Miami series with us either lol.

[moonshine]

It doesn't change the fact that adding any G5 to those schedules not named BYU, Boise St, or previously Navy, would be viewed as a downgrade. That's not to say App St, can't play, we all know they can. Unfortunately right now we're fighting for our college football lives.

We're all fighting for relevancy. While the 3 teams you mentioned are more nationally recognized, and yes programs fluctuate year to year, is the downgrade in national name relevancy only? App finished 2015 ahead of 2 (BYU and Boise) out of the 3 teams you mentioned so the "downgrade" can not be based on actual results, at least not for last year.

[Saint3333]

Fact check for ECU scheduling G5 peers:

ECU scheduled:

ODU 2018 and 2019 H&H

Marshall 2020 and 2021 H&H

So yes it is the same.

So those are new series, and I think you will fine that most ECU fans were unhappy with those series as well.

So I bet you would have found UNC-CH and NCSU fans that were unhappy with their similar series as well. They are on the schedule which is all that matters.

[oasispirate]

It doesn't change the fact that adding any G5 to those schedules not named BYU, Boise St, or previously Navy, would be viewed as a downgrade. That's not to say App St, can't play, we all know they can. Unfortunately right now we're fighting for our college football lives.

We're all fighting for relevancy. While the 3 teams you mentioned are more nationally recognized, and yes programs fluctuate year to year, is the downgrade in national name relevancy only? App finished 2015 ahead of 2 (BYU and Boise) out of the 3 teams you mentioned so the "downgrade" can not be based on actual results, at least not for last year.

You would not have been favored over either team last year. App had an excellent year last year, but peel it back a little bit and who was your marquee win. GA Southern? ULL? Ohio?

BYU beat Nebraska, Boise, and Cincy, their schedule was brutal. Boise with wins over Washington, N. Illinois, UVA, and Air Force.

[JTApps1]

I'll say it again, I don't have any issue with playing App St, especially if we're going to schedule other Sun Belt, C-USA, and Mac opponents. However, in the past 10 years our OOC schedule has consisted of mostly P5 teams. The only G5s we have scheduled are Navy and BYU who are both national programs. We have had a few FCS in recent years due to unbalanced series with South Carolina and Florida.

When you're fighting for exposure/branding and revenue we need as many P5s as we can get, no one knows what the future holds for college football. Unfortunately everyday is a fight for relevance/survival. We should be playing an exclusively all P5 OOC schedule if at all possible.

05, Duke, WF, and WVU
06, Navy, WVU, UVA, and NCSU
07, VA Tech, UNC, WVU, NCSU
08, VA Tech, WVU, NCSU, UVA
09, App St, WVU, UNC, VA Tech
10, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU, Navy
11, SC, Va Tech, UNC, Navy
12, App St, SC, UNC, Navy
13, ODU, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU
14, NCCU, SC, VA Tech, UNC
15, Towson, Florida, BYU, Va Tech
16, Western Carolina, NCSU, SC, and Va Tech

Most of our fans over the years were already not happy with adding an FCS team over the years. Maybe the reality of our situation has changed and it's forced our hands with the unbalanced SEC series. It doesn't change the fact that adding any G5 to those schedules not named BYU, Boise St, or previously Navy, would be viewed as a downgrade. That's not to say App St, can't play, we all know they can. Unfortunately right now we're fighting for our college football lives.

Our schedule isn't dodging anyone, in fact if we had 2 sure wins OOC like most teams have we would have at minimum 3-4 more double digit win seasons over the last decade.

You are playing an FCS team for the sixth straight year so if you replace that game with us you're improving your schedule regardless of venue. It will also be more difficult to get 3 P5 teams a year with all of those leagues making a push to play more OOC games against other P5's. Besides, it is a bit hypocritical of Pirate fans to expect multiple P5 schools to play ECU and make trips to Greenville, but then balk at the idea of a similar request from an in-state G5 school.

We don't have to go on the road and play an FCS game. The App, ODU, and Marshall series replace what has been a P5 series over the last decade. That's why our fans view it as a downgrade. It's not a slight against those programs. I wouldn't expect App to replace their Miami series with us either lol.

I understand you don't go on the road for FCS games, but would you rather lose a seventh home game 2 times that would have been an FCS, or gain a G5 in place of a team most of your fans careless about? Besides you can still have 3 P5's while playing us, and if you do it properly you'll still have 6 or even 7 home games.

Still it comes down to Pirate fans expecting P5 schools to give you a deal that you don't want to offer to good G5 schools.

[oasispirate]

I'll say it again, I don't have any issue with playing App St, especially if we're going to schedule other Sun Belt, C-USA, and Mac opponents. However, in the past 10 years our OOC schedule has consisted of mostly P5 teams. The only G5s we have scheduled are Navy and BYU who are both national programs. We have had a few FCS in recent years due to unbalanced series with South Carolina and Florida.

When you're fighting for exposure/branding and revenue we need as many P5s as we can get, no one knows what the future holds for college football. Unfortunately everyday is a fight for relevance/survival. We should be playing an exclusively all P5 OOC schedule if at all possible.

05, Duke, WF, and WVU
06, Navy, WVU, UVA, and NCSU
07, VA Tech, UNC, WVU, NCSU
08, VA Tech, WVU, NCSU, UVA
09, App St, WVU, UNC, VA Tech
10, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU, Navy
11, SC, Va Tech, UNC, Navy
12, App St, SC, UNC, Navy
13, ODU, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU
14, NCCU, SC, VA Tech, UNC
15, Towson, Florida, BYU, Va Tech
16, Western Carolina, NCSU, SC, and Va Tech

Most of our fans over the years were already not happy with adding an FCS team over the years. Maybe the reality of our situation has changed and it's forced our hands with the unbalanced SEC series. It doesn't change the fact that adding any G5 to those schedules not named BYU, Boise St, or previously Navy, would be viewed as a downgrade. That's not to say App St, can't play, we all know they can. Unfortunately right now we're fighting for our college football lives.

Our schedule isn't dodging anyone, in fact if we had 2 sure wins OOC like most teams have we would have at minimum 3-4 more double digit win seasons over the last decade.

You are playing an FCS team for the sixth straight year so if you replace that game with us you're improving your schedule regardless of venue. It will also be more difficult to get 3 P5 teams a year with all of those leagues making a push to play more OOC games against other P5's. Besides, it is a bit hypocritical of Pirate fans to expect multiple P5 schools to play ECU and make trips to Greenville, but then balk at the idea of a similar request from an in-state G5 school.

We don't have to go on the road and play an FCS game. The App, ODU, and Marshall series replace what has been a P5 series over the last decade. That's why our fans view it as a downgrade. It's not a slight against those programs. I wouldn't expect App to replace their Miami series with us either lol.

I understand you don't go on the road for FCS games, but would you rather lose a seventh home game 2 times that would have been an FCS, or gain a G5 in place of a team most of your fans careless about? Besides you can still have 3 P5's while playing us, and if you do it properly you'll still have 6 or even 7 home games.

Still it comes down to Pirate fans expecting P5 schools to give you a deal that you don't want to offer to good G5 schools.

We have never played 7 home games. Next year was set to be the first year, but rumors are BYU is moving the game to 2019. Well we can't get that many home games if we're having to take unbalanced series with the SEC.

[APPdiesel]

I'll say it again, I don't have any issue with playing App St, especially if we're going to schedule other Sun Belt, C-USA, and Mac opponents. However, in the past 10 years our OOC schedule has consisted of mostly P5 teams. The only G5s we have scheduled are Navy and BYU who are both national programs. We have had a few FCS in recent years due to unbalanced series with South Carolina and Florida.

When you're fighting for exposure/branding and revenue we need as many P5s as we can get, no one knows what the future holds for college football. Unfortunately everyday is a fight for relevance/survival. We should be playing an exclusively all P5 OOC schedule if at all possible.

05, Duke, WF, and WVU
06, Navy, WVU, UVA, and NCSU
07, VA Tech, UNC, WVU, NCSU
08, VA Tech, WVU, NCSU, UVA
09, App St, WVU, UNC, VA Tech
10, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU, Navy
11, SC, Va Tech, UNC, Navy
12, App St, SC, UNC, Navy
13, ODU, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU
14, NCCU, SC, VA Tech, UNC
15, Towson, Florida, BYU, Va Tech
16, Western Carolina, NCSU, SC, and Va Tech

Most of our fans over the years were already not happy with adding an FCS team over the years. Maybe the reality of our situation has changed and it's forced our hands with the unbalanced SEC series. It doesn't change the fact that adding any G5 to those schedules not named BYU, Boise St, or previously Navy, would be viewed as a downgrade. That's not to say App St, can't play, we all know they can. Unfortunately right now we're fighting for our college football lives.

Our schedule isn't dodging anyone, in fact if we had 2 sure wins OOC like most teams have we would have at minimum 3-4 more double digit win seasons over the last decade.

You understand that 2 of those P5 games every year as legally obligated to be on your schedule, right? I wonder how different the OOC schedule would look if UNC-CHeat and Moo-U were not REQUIRED BY LAW to play EZU?

Ixnay on the ondescensioncay, Chet. Not a very good way to endear yourself to anyone.

You know the way App fans treat Montana and Idaho fans when they come here? That's how we should treat ALL fans who come here.

(Secretly glad no one on this message board has any real influence)

twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Beating them twice in Greenville will make it worth while.

[EastHallApp]

Fact check for ECU scheduling G5 peers:

ECU scheduled:

ODU 2018 and 2019 H&H

Marshall 2020 and 2021 H&H

So yes it is the same.

So those are new series, and I think you will fine that most ECU fans were unhappy with those series as well.

ECU fans are unhappy with scheduling Marshall? That's... interesting. I would say Marshall has been the better program over the past two decades (i.e., since they moved up).

[oasispirate]

Fact check for ECU scheduling G5 peers:

ECU scheduled:

ODU 2018 and 2019 H&H

Marshall 2020 and 2021 H&H

So yes it is the same.

So those are new series, and I think you will fine that most ECU fans were unhappy with those series as well.

ECU fans are unhappy with scheduling Marshall? That's... interesting. I would say Marshall has been the better program over the past two decades (i.e., since they moved up).

ECU is 6-4 against Marshall during that time period, since 2001. 6-3 Against them when they were in C-USA.

[oasispirate]

Fact check for ECU scheduling G5 peers:

ECU scheduled:

ODU 2018 and 2019 H&H

Marshall 2020 and 2021 H&H

So yes it is the same.

So those are new series, and I think you will fine that most ECU fans were unhappy with those series as well.

ECU fans are unhappy with scheduling Marshall? That's... interesting. I would say Marshall has been the better program over the past two decades (i.e., since they moved up).

ECU is 6-4 against Marshall during that time period, since 2001. 6-3 Against them when they were in C-USA.

[EastHallApp]

Where did this notion come from that we have to set aside 1/3 of our stadium for the other team. Expand to 30k so we can give 1 school a year 10k seats... Makes zero sense to me. High demand and limited # of tickets sounds like a profit making opportunity to me.

Guess homefield advantage has gone out the window. Give them 5k tix if they sell them out great! If we have remaining availability left after our fans have purchased we'll throw some their way.

The Miami game this year, Wake next and Marshall soon after should go a long way to put to bed this concept.

Yep. Fundamentals of economics and marketing.

The problem is we severely limit the number of opponents that are willing to come to Boone if we can't offer a decent amount of tickets to them. We were fortunate to get Miami and Wake as they won't travel as well as many, but even then Miami still demanded over double the number of visitor tickets we normally give. When these games are negotiated one of the big factors is seating available to the other teams fans. If we say you can only have 2,000 then a lot of teams are going to walk. We all want the best teams possible coming to Boone so to do that we have to be able to accommodate their fans. Playing those games in Boone will also increase demand for App football overall which will drive up ticket sales for all games.

My question is, how severely are we really limiting our options by not expanding by a few thousand seats? Yes Miami and Wake don't travel that well - there are many other P5 teams in the same category. In short, who won't come to Boone now but would come *solely* because we added 5,000 seats? 10,000? I would guess that list is fairly short. I don't think Clemson's going to show up in Boone just because we give them a few more tickets.

[Saint3333]

This isn't about Marshall vs. ECU, but ECU isn't better over the last twenty years:

Marshall - 3 AP top 25 finishes, 8 conference titles, 10-2 bowl record
ECU - 0 AP top 25 finishes, 3 conference titles, 3-8 bowl record

Marshall, ECU, and App all are G5 peers - I know that really upsets some pirates out there, but we are.

Back to the topic. Has anyone considered that App not ECU wants the game in Charlotte.

[TheMoody1]

Has anyone considered that App not ECU wants the game in Charlotte.

I assume App would be the "Home" team so we would get to keep all the revenue?

[oasispirate]

This isn't about Marshall vs. ECU, but ECU isn't better over the last twenty years:

Marshall - 3 AP top 25 finishes, 8 conference titles, 10-2 bowl record
ECU - 0 AP top 25 finishes, 3 conference titles, 3-8 bowl record

Marshall, ECU, and App all are G5 peers - I know that really upsets some pirates out there, but we are.

Back to the topic. Has anyone considered that App not ECU wants the game in Charlotte.

MAC championships? Puhleaze? Their schedules have been weaksauce, that gives you inflated records. We had a 7 win ECU team play an 11 win Boise team and beat that team.

Hell our 6-5 team had no business being in a bowl with a 10-2 Marshall squad in 2001, and we blew a 30 point lead to lose that game in double Overtime. The point is many of these teams have inflated records.

[Yosef10]

Fact check for ECU scheduling G5 peers:

ECU scheduled:

ODU 2018 and 2019 H&H

Marshall 2020 and 2021 H&H

So yes it is the same.

So those are new series, and I think you will fine that most ECU fans were unhappy with those series as well.

So it would seem your days of scheduling 3-4 P5's a year are behind you as CFB landscape is changing with introduction of the playoff. The sooner you all realize that the better for your fanbase. Or else you will be disappointed by he scheduling of what are peer schools in terms of football, regardless of what you guys may think.

[Yosef10]

This isn't about Marshall vs. ECU, but ECU isn't better over the last twenty years:

Marshall - 3 AP top 25 finishes, 8 conference titles, 10-2 bowl record
ECU - 0 AP top 25 finishes, 3 conference titles, 3-8 bowl record

Marshall, ECU, and App all are G5 peers - I know that really upsets some pirates out there, but we are.

Back to the topic. Has anyone considered that App not ECU wants the game in Charlotte.

MAC championships? Puhleaze? Their schedules have been weaksauce, that gives you inflated records. We had a 7 win ECU team play an 11 win Boise team and beat that team.

Hell our 6-5 team had no business being in a bowl with a 10-2 Marshall squad in 2001, and we blew a 30 point lead to lose that game in double Overtime. The point is many of these teams have inflated records.

You guys will try and rationalize everything with a damn schedule. Newsflash: you aren't playing Giants. Y'all could barely win CUSA.

[oasispirate]

This isn't about Marshall vs. ECU, but ECU isn't better over the last twenty years:

Marshall - 3 AP top 25 finishes, 8 conference titles, 10-2 bowl record
ECU - 0 AP top 25 finishes, 3 conference titles, 3-8 bowl record

Marshall, ECU, and App all are G5 peers - I know that really upsets some pirates out there, but we are.

Back to the topic. Has anyone considered that App not ECU wants the game in Charlotte.

MAC championships? Puhleaze? Their schedules have been weaksauce, that gives you inflated records. We had a 7 win ECU team play an 11 win Boise team and beat that team.

Hell our 6-5 team had no business being in a bowl with a 10-2 Marshall squad in 2001, and we blew a 30 point lead to lose that game in double Overtime. The point is many of these teams have inflated records.

You guys will try and rationalize everything with a damn schedule. Newsflash: you aren't playing Giants. Y'all could barely win CUSA.

Because SOS matters? We won C-USA in 08 & 09. In 2012 we were 7-1 and lost a tiebreaker to UCF, in 2013 6-2 and lose the tiebreaker to Marshall. We have one of the top conference winning %'s in the country the last 10 years.

Look back, we played 11 win SC teams, Florida SEC east champs, beat Va Tech when they were ACC champs (08). I'm not saying we are playing top 5 teams, but our OOC features very few layup wins. Almost all our P5 games have been against bowl level teams.

[Saint3333]

ECU fans have tons of excuses for the lack of championships, bowl wins, and top 25 finishes. Based on their fans' expectations or feelings of where their program is it must be disappointing.

I will say kudos to their fanbase though, they kill it in attendance and annual giving despite their shortcomings on the field.