App St football = POOP

[GmanAppfan]

I read the message board regularly but i dont post much but reading these replies to this thread i thought it was a good time. Ive supported this school for 20+ years. In the years since then Ive given money and had season tickets but not every year as other responsibilities have arose so i may not have as much a leg to stand on but i do all i can. With that said wanting to win and winning are 2 totally different things. We all wanna win but do we have the pieces in place now to do it on a high level. It seems we struggle with the same things over and over and they havent really improved such as slow starts, losing the turnover battle, undisciplined mistakes, blown assignments, predictable play calling, and lack of adjustments in game. I want to believe in our HC but right now its hard. I dont know him personally but i know he has a love and passion for App but from what ive heard is he too much of a players coach. Maybe too many chiefs and not enough indians or who knows maybe no chief and all indians

[Stonewall]

Watching replays today ,our offensive game plans.... it's head scratching

[AppState89]

This is one stupid A$$ post!!! This must be the first football game you have ever watched. Chase is one of the best QBs ever to play at App!!!! Not sure you know what you are talking about.

Well, Mr. Robert Martin, if you were born in ‘89 as your name suggests, you’re too young to know about Armanti and also naive to know that Chase is not one of the best. College football and all football, at elite levels, requires something called athletes. Chase can throw but is slow as molasses, which results in inabilities to extend plays, stretch the pocket, and escape pressure. Sure his turnovers are a result of bad line play, but if he was a true athlete/baller, and not so damn chunky and slow he probably wouldn’t have been forced into either turnover. But you all just keep on hating on me calling out the problems while our program goes down the . I’m just an idiot who doesn’t know sh*t and never watched or played football. While you’re hating, you should probably go find a db/secondary coach that knows wtf they’re doing……

89 is the year I graduated from App, not when I was born. I'm sure I've been to a lot more App State games than you have and know a lot more about the program. Armanti is probably the best QB we have had, but Chase is right behind him when it comes to passing. How many passes did our WRs drop Thursday night? Yes, he is slow as molasses and I wish he had Zac's legs. We have slow DBs and we can't tackle worth a sh*t.

[OldAppPlayer]

I just wanted to state the obvious. Our program is at a crossroad now. These last games are going to tell us a lot. I will be watching to see how hard the players continue to play and what SC does the remainder of the season. I definitely think he’s learned a lot from this season. Going from an assistant to a head coach is a big learning curve. He deserves one more year unless the wheels fall off these next few weeks. Changes will be made in the off season. I’m not giving up on the man and I hope the players don’t either.

[WataugaMan]

I may be wrong here, however, I feel SC doesn't rely on his OC like he should. The predictable play calling is more of a single individual thing vice a group effort. Two or more minds wouldn't continually keep coming up with the same stuff over and over. As a leader/coach/whatever, delegating authority is a necessity.

[Rekdiver]

If Shawn Clark is a good coach he will seek the counsel of both Jerry Moore and Scott Satterfield in the offseason....My concern is he is too prideful to admit mistakes beyond coach speak. I misspoke the other day about him being a first year coach,,,I meant a first-time Head Coach. that is not an east transition at the school where you were an assistant. there is a big difference in being at a crossroads and a bump. We survived Mike Working.....and this is nowhere close the carnage that man caused. I clearly remember when App football was totally irrelevant and no one cared an iota............
Again everything relative to your personal experience.....

[OldAppPlayer]

If Shawn Clark is a good coach he will seek the counsel of both Jerry Moore and Scott Satterfield in the offseason....My concern is he is too prideful to admit mistakes beyond coach speak. I misspoke the other day about him being a first year coach,,,I meant a first-time Head Coach. that is not an east transition at the school where you were an assistant. there is a big difference in being at a crossroads and a bump. We survived Mike Working.....and this is nowhere close the carnage that man caused. I clearly remember when App football was totally irrelevant and no one cared an iota............
Again everything relative to your personal experience.....

My brother played his last year for Dick Working, I mean Mike. I actually thought his first name was Dick as much as my brother used it. I played my first year for Mack Brown and then three for Sparky. Sparky had a tough go to start with and then turned it around. I’m hoping SC can do the same. I met SC right after he received the head coaching position. He seemed like a humble guy. I was working at a sporting goods store and he was buying a bat for his son. He was trying to talk me down on the price. I said damn you just got the head position at App, I know you have the money. He said I havent got paid yet. I couldn’t help but laugh. There’s a huge difference from being an assistant to bring the head man in charge. I hope he makes it stick.

[Saint3333]

I would love for Clark to be most successful coach App has ever had. He loves this program and I believe we all have the ability to learn and get better.

Good luck with the gameplan today Coach, Marshall has a very good defense and we will need to play to our relative strengths.

Beat Marshall.

[bcoach]

After years of dynasty like play, we are officially poop. How does that make you feel? We have more talent for offensive skill position players, but our defense is an absolute embarrassment. Offensive skill positions are the best EVER minus QB that is, Chase is a chunky, slow QB. If Burger was starting, we may have only lost one so far. How does that make you feel, App Nation? As others have said since our embarrassing bowl loss, our defense, especially the secondary, has been absolutely EXPOSED. 'Til we recruit some dogs for DBs and safeties, we will never be more than mediocre at best. We'll be lucky to see a bowl game this year. To the defensive secondary and coaches/players and QB coaches/players, I hope you're proud of yourself for drinking the koolaid and getting big-heads.

While I agree with a little of your post, I do not agree with your comments about Chase, I feel we are very lucky to have him. He misses some throws (all qb's do, but makes some amazing ones as well. His 2 TO's last night were tough, but getting crushed while passing and a messed up snap is hardly solely if any on him. A few other thoughts on the overall program:

For several weeks I have felt one our main issues was not respecting the team across from us, it was the only way I could justify the UNC/A&M game and the Tex st and first half against GSU and RM debacle. And while I do think every team struggles with that to a certain degree, that is not necessarily the only thing. Maybe we are so much faster than the huge P5 teams that our speed neutralizes their size. When we play SB schools, who are often as fast, maybe a tad slower (but definitely bigger), we don't have an advantage and at times a disadvantage. Add the target as the SB flag barer and everyone's "black-out" game and we are always going to be in a dog fight. This brings me to my point. Someone many years ago had the balls to make a drastic change to how we recruit and change our entire offensive scheme. We had built the program to a place where we could do that, and after a few bumps, it took us to the next level with Natty's and the Mich win. I am tired of hearing about undersized Appalachian guys. Have we not built the brand where we can still find guys who will work hard and be good team mates but also have a little more physical gifts. I'm not saying we compete against the Clemson's of the world, but we have the history, brand, fan support that is far superior to any others in our conference and most of the G5. Diamonds in the rough are fine, but we need some quality size and speed with our 2nd and 3rd teams as well.

As for the coaching, I am not one to call for heads. Not going to do it. I will go only as far to say (and did on this board) that the hire was a little questionable to me in the fact that we were rolling, getting ranked, and we turned it over to someone with no HC experience. I do very much question a lot of the calls lately (going for it on 4th down in bad spots, not passing more when our over-rated O line is stagnant, 2 point conversion's, etc.) As for all the DJ chatter, I will not defend or support as there is too much I don't know, but what I am seeing are defenders in position and not making plays. Is that a result of poor recruiting, not practicing fundamentals enough in practice, I don't know, but I saw so many arm tackles missed for losses or minimal gains last night it makes me sick. One dude had to have had at least 6, all he could do is shake his head after each play. this has been a problem all year for this team and not talked about enough. Scheme good, players there, execution bad.

We are not used to years where our brand is not moving forward. This year, our brand trajectory was going through the roof, UNC/TAMU game, College Gameday/Hail Mary definitely 2 steps forward. Now, we have taken 1 step backwards with no conference title game appearance and a bad record. If we don't make a bowl game, get some extra weeks of practice, have millions watching us (either directly on TV or an through their sports book) that negates the gains from earlier and is very unfortunate.

Finally, yes I use "we" when referring to the team. APP 's passionate fan base is as much a part of the culture and program as any other facet. I don't get up at 5:30 to work out or run the knob, but my wallet, watch and voice give their all and is just as important.

Please have the balls to evaluate and adapt . . .

Good post. I was in Conway and what I saw was the poor execution but also our OL and DL getting beat up on 2 out of 3 plays. The successful passing attempts seemed to only come when Chase rolled out to escape the rush and there was zero pressure on McCall. We used to have a guy in S&C who was a little out of control but brought the fire. Got rid of him because he was a little out of control. I think we need that a$$hole back.

I still believe Clark is the right hire and guy to get us back to the App State way. Got to get some consistency in the coaching ranks, there's too much turnover. DJ, maybe but considering what we can pay he's probably as good as it will get. As far as QB play, Chase is the best we've got. Calling him names or singing his praises doesn't change it. He's our horse to ride this year. I think he's damn good and he definitely leaves it all out on the field.

Absolutely not in bringing coach Mike back. There's a reason he got fired from Louisville. And it's not from on field performance. When a school that hires Petrino fires someone, you know it's not good.

I agree with that for sure but it looks to me like we need better than what we have.

[bigdaddyg]

Old man rant (sort of)- when Charlotte came to Boone a few years ago I recall watching their sideline and the dancing and crap that went on seemed over the top. I've seen many, many teams over the past few years who do the same sideline stuff. Lots of teams do the goofy turnovers chains, swords and whatever other props get used. I think staffs have just let stuff go now as long as there are wins and plays made between the lines. We seem to run into teams now who have more than their share of cocky crap taking players but they also get results. Like most I hate the defensive celebrations especially after a routine tackle or pass breakup and especially when we are down big. That being said we need a little more swagger (without stupid penalties) and get back to pushing our opponents around rather than being pushed.

[Yosef84]

If Shawn Clark is a good coach he will seek the counsel of both Jerry Moore and Scott Satterfield in the offseason....My concern is he is too prideful to admit mistakes beyond coach speak. I misspoke the other day about him being a first year coach,,,I meant a first-time Head Coach. that is not an east transition at the school where you were an assistant. there is a big difference in being at a crossroads and a bump. We survived Mike Working.....and this is nowhere close the carnage that man caused. I clearly remember when App football was totally irrelevant and no one cared an iota............
Again everything relative to your personal experience.....

I'm curious what you are basing the above statement on, or if it's just a concern. I hear the word "stubborn" a lot lately about the play calling and it might be accurate, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think Coach Clark would have a prideful approach to dealing with Moore and Satterfield. I don't know him so I am just going on what I've seen publicly and the overall comments I've read over the years. I just don't see Clark as particularly prideful, especially within the population of FBS head coaches.

[Mjohn1988]

After years of dynasty like play, we are officially poop. How does that make you feel? We have more talent for offensive skill position players, but our defense is an absolute embarrassment. Offensive skill positions are the best EVER minus QB that is, Chase is a chunky, slow QB. If Burger was starting, we may have only lost one so far. How does that make you feel, App Nation? As others have said since our embarrassing bowl loss, our defense, especially the secondary, has been absolutely EXPOSED. 'Til we recruit some dogs for DBs and safeties, we will never be more than mediocre at best. We'll be lucky to see a bowl game this year. To the defensive secondary and coaches/players and QB coaches/players, I hope you're proud of yourself for drinking the koolaid and getting big-heads.

While I agree with a little of your post, I do not agree with your comments about Chase, I feel we are very lucky to have him. He misses some throws (all qb's do, but makes some amazing ones as well. His 2 TO's last night were tough, but getting crushed while passing and a messed up snap is hardly solely if any on him. A few other thoughts on the overall program:

For several weeks I have felt one our main issues was not respecting the team across from us, it was the only way I could justify the UNC/A&M game and the Tex st and first half against GSU and RM debacle. And while I do think every team struggles with that to a certain degree, that is not necessarily the only thing. Maybe we are so much faster than the huge P5 teams that our speed neutralizes their size. When we play SB schools, who are often as fast, maybe a tad slower (but definitely bigger), we don't have an advantage and at times a disadvantage. Add the target as the SB flag barer and everyone's "black-out" game and we are always going to be in a dog fight. This brings me to my point. Someone many years ago had the balls to make a drastic change to how we recruit and change our entire offensive scheme. We had built the program to a place where we could do that, and after a few bumps, it took us to the next level with Natty's and the Mich win. I am tired of hearing about undersized Appalachian guys. Have we not built the brand where we can still find guys who will work hard and be good team mates but also have a little more physical gifts. I'm not saying we compete against the Clemson's of the world, but we have the history, brand, fan support that is far superior to any others in our conference and most of the G5. Diamonds in the rough are fine, but we need some quality size and speed with our 2nd and 3rd teams as well.

As for the coaching, I am not one to call for heads. Not going to do it. I will go only as far to say (and did on this board) that the hire was a little questionable to me in the fact that we were rolling, getting ranked, and we turned it over to someone with no HC experience. I do very much question a lot of the calls lately (going for it on 4th down in bad spots, not passing more when our over-rated O line is stagnant, 2 point conversion's, etc.) As for all the DJ chatter, I will not defend or support as there is too much I don't know, but what I am seeing are defenders in position and not making plays. Is that a result of poor recruiting, not practicing fundamentals enough in practice, I don't know, but I saw so many arm tackles missed for losses or minimal gains last night it makes me sick. One dude had to have had at least 6, all he could do is shake his head after each play. this has been a problem all year for this team and not talked about enough. Scheme good, players there, execution bad.

We are not used to years where our brand is not moving forward. This year, our brand trajectory was going through the roof, UNC/TAMU game, College Gameday/Hail Mary definitely 2 steps forward. Now, we have taken 1 step backwards with no conference title game appearance and a bad record. If we don't make a bowl game, get some extra weeks of practice, have millions watching us (either directly on TV or an through their sports book) that negates the gains from earlier and is very unfortunate.

Finally, yes I use "we" when referring to the team. APP 's passionate fan base is as much a part of the culture and program as any other facet. I don't get up at 5:30 to work out or run the knob, but my wallet, watch and voice give their all and is just as important.

Please have the balls to evaluate and adapt . . .

Good post. I was in Conway and what I saw was the poor execution but also our OL and DL getting beat up on 2 out of 3 plays. The successful passing attempts seemed to only come when Chase rolled out to escape the rush and there was zero pressure on McCall. We used to have a guy in S&C who was a little out of control but brought the fire. Got rid of him because he was a little out of control. I think we need that a$$hole back.

I still believe Clark is the right hire and guy to get us back to the App State way. Got to get some consistency in the coaching ranks, there's too much turnover. DJ, maybe but considering what we can pay he's probably as good as it will get. As far as QB play, Chase is the best we've got. Calling him names or singing his praises doesn't change it. He's our horse to ride this year. I think he's damn good and he definitely leaves it all out on the field.

Absolutely not in bringing coach Mike back. There's a reason he got fired from Louisville. And it's not from on field performance. When a school that hires Petrino fires someone, you know it's not good.

I agree with that for sure but it looks to me like we need better than what we have.

Just looking at the games over the past 3 years it sure looks like we need a change in the strength and conditioning program.

[bcoach]

If Shawn Clark is a good coach he will seek the counsel of both Jerry Moore and Scott Satterfield in the offseason....My concern is he is too prideful to admit mistakes beyond coach speak. I misspoke the other day about him being a first year coach,,,I meant a first-time Head Coach. that is not an east transition at the school where you were an assistant. there is a big difference in being at a crossroads and a bump. We survived Mike Working.....and this is nowhere close the carnage that man caused. I clearly remember when App football was totally irrelevant and no one cared an iota............
Again everything relative to your personal experience.....

I'm curious what you are basing the above statement on, or if it's just a concern. I hear the word "stubborn" a lot lately about the play calling and it might be accurate, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think Coach Clark would have a prideful approach to dealing with Moore and Satterfield. I don't know him so I am just going on what I've seen publicly and the overall comments I've read over the years. I just don't see Clark as particularly prideful, especially within the population of FBS head coaches.

You are 100% correct. I do know Shawn and he is not full of himself and has a very close relationship with Coach Moore. I have no idea what his relationship is with Scott nowadays but I can't imagine he would not listen to someone who has been there.

[WVAPPeer]

Old man rant (sort of)- when Charlotte came to Boone a few years ago I recall watching their sideline and the dancing and crap that went on seemed over the top. I've seen many, many teams over the past few years who do the same sideline stuff. Lots of teams do the goofy turnovers chains, swords and whatever other props get used. I think staffs have just let stuff go now as long as there are wins and plays made between the lines. We seem to run into teams now who have more than their share of cocky crap taking players but they also get results. Like most I hate the defensive celebrations especially after a routine tackle or pass breakup and especially when we are down big. That being said we need a little more swagger (without stupid penalties) and get back to pushing our opponents around rather than being pushed.

I'm sure I am older but I am in agreement with you on the antics - I hate that sideline crap with the turnover belts, and all the other stupid stuff but I don't consider that having swag - teammates celebrating together after a sack or TD or INT is great - the one that gets me is all these DBs when the pass is incomplete waving the finger like don't come after anymore - most do and most give up big plays and TDs - If you shut your receiver down the entire game then wag your finger at the end of the game - I know some on here don't care much for Nick Saban but rarely do you see his players do any of that individual crap. I heard him say one time - "If you want to take your helmet off on the sidelines and wave to the crowd and dance around when you make a good play - then do it when you screw-up as well"

[bcoach]

Old man rant (sort of)- when Charlotte came to Boone a few years ago I recall watching their sideline and the dancing and crap that went on seemed over the top. I've seen many, many teams over the past few years who do the same sideline stuff. Lots of teams do the goofy turnovers chains, swords and whatever other props get used. I think staffs have just let stuff go now as long as there are wins and plays made between the lines. We seem to run into teams now who have more than their share of cocky crap taking players but they also get results. Like most I hate the defensive celebrations especially after a routine tackle or pass breakup and especially when we are down big. That being said we need a little more swagger (without stupid penalties) and get back to pushing our opponents around rather than being pushed.

I'm sure I am older but I am in agreement with you on the antics - I hate that sideline crap with the turnover belts, and all the other stupid stuff but I don't consider that having swag - teammates celebrating together after a sack or TD or INT is great - the one that gets me is all these DBs when the pass is incomplete waving the finger like don't come after anymore - most do and most give up big plays and TDs - If you shut your receiver down the entire game then wag your finger at the end of the game - I know some on here don't care much for Nick Saban but rarely do you see his players do any of that individual crap. I heard him say one time - "If you want to take your helmet off on the sidelines and wave to the crowd and dance around when you make a good play - then do it when you screw-up as well"

Like Coach Holtz said act like you have done it before. It would be much more impressive it you just walked back to your position like " this is what we do and have done it many times before". Instead they look like this is the first time they have ever been successful. When they jump around after doing nothing at all to break up the play and we are getting our buts kicked they just look middle school. Now with all that said much of the time our sideline ( coaches etc. ) looks like they are at a funeral. If I had a vote and I certainly don't, our emotions would be somewhere in-between. Now it's time for me to get back to something I actually know about(:

[Bootsy]

I don't mind players celebrating after making a big play.

OTOH, celebrating like you won the lotto shouldn't happen:

• After missing a tackle

• After an incomplete pass the WR couldn't have caught anyway

• On the sideline when App's getting sandpapered and you see a TV camera

That's not even immaturity or amateur night...it's just rank stupidity.

I imagine we'll see a number of these yahoos next season...wearing another team's uniform.
Or maybe not, since they'll be playing in some lower division or not playing at all.

[Stonewall]

A lot I agree with here.I don't see consistent physicality but we do seem to be injury prone making it fair to call into question S&C.As to stubbornness , Jerry , who I love , was and is very.It took a lot to move him in 2004 , and at other times. I hope HCSC is learning and will begin putting that wisdom into practice.

[appgrad95&97]

The ultimate question for EVERYONE to ponder ... As others have stated .......... are we now a mediocre team or become a mediocre program? TA&M (1-5) (3-6) is the absolute trash of the SEC so that dub is out that door. UNC while trending in the ACC is a WIN to APP and loss to ND.... Clemson lost to ND and Marshall win vs ND was considered a "legit win" & "strength of conference". Guess our game in Huntington this weekend will tell more about the topic in question, are we a mediocre team or become a mediocre program? Let's go keyboard warriors, it's clear you know who I am, who are you? 9842386301, let me hear you & your opinion loud and proud. LFG Babyyyyyy!!!!!!

I do not consider APP a Mediocre program/team. We are a really really good program that has hit a few "bumps" in the road. We at APP have the support of the entire university. The "bumps" are new for us. I have faith we will rebound. Underperforming and being mediocre are two different subjects. If APP continues down this path for 3 to 5 years, we start loosing quality coaches and players in the transfer postal - then maybe we could be mediocre. I am not willing to right off the program after 1 year. Do changes need to be made? Sure - even if we have a very solid season - there is no harm in self reflection and assessing the overall product.

I honestly think this is what separates some of us. If this is a one year bump in the road, I would agree that it's not a big deal and is to be expected. But speaking only for myself, this is not a one year bump. I really go back to the 2020 game at Marshall. To me, we never looked "right" and really underperformed the talent we had on the field. The scores all season long were suspiciously close. Last year, another solid record, but we escaped the Marshall and Coastal games. And good for Clark et al. for those comebacks. Louisiana embarrassed us. And now this year. Obviously, the record is disappointing. Honestly, who thought bowl eligibility would be an issue? It took a miracle to have our one win againt a team with a winning recond. We don't score in the second half and let JMU comeback for 28-3. Then we look just awful at Texas St. Then there's next year, No Brice and no Cam... My whole point is, it doesn't look like a one year bump in the road to me.

[Seattleapp]

The ultimate question for EVERYONE to ponder ... As others have stated .......... are we now a mediocre team or become a mediocre program? TA&M (1-5) (3-6) is the absolute trash of the SEC so that dub is out that door. UNC while trending in the ACC is a WIN to APP and loss to ND.... Clemson lost to ND and Marshall win vs ND was considered a "legit win" & "strength of conference". Guess our game in Huntington this weekend will tell more about the topic in question, are we a mediocre team or become a mediocre program? Let's go keyboard warriors, it's clear you know who I am, who are you? 9842386301, let me hear you & your opinion loud and proud. LFG Babyyyyyy!!!!!!

I do not consider APP a Mediocre program/team. We are a really really good program that has hit a few "bumps" in the road. We at APP have the support of the entire university. The "bumps" are new for us. I have faith we will rebound. Underperforming and being mediocre are two different subjects. If APP continues down this path for 3 to 5 years, we start loosing quality coaches and players in the transfer postal - then maybe we could be mediocre. I am not willing to right off the program after 1 year. Do changes need to be made? Sure - even if we have a very solid season - there is no harm in self reflection and assessing the overall product.

I honestly think this is what separates some of us. If this is a one year bump in the road, I would agree that it's not a big deal and is to be expected. But speaking only for myself, this is not a one year bump. I really go back to the 2020 game at Marshall. To me, we never looked "right" and really underperformed the talent we had on the field. The scores all season long were suspiciously close. Last year, another solid record, but we escaped the Marshall and Coastal games. And good for Clark et al. for those comebacks. Louisiana embarrassed us. And now this year. Obviously, the record is disappointing. Honestly, who thought bowl eligibility would be an issue? It took a miracle to have our one win againt a team with a winning recond. We don't score in the second half and let JMU comeback for 28-3. Then we look just awful at Texas St. Then there's next year, No Brice and no Cam... My whole point is, it doesn't look like a one year bump in the road to me.

Other teams try to win too. I know anything less than a 49-0 beat down is considered a loss around here but to say we escaped against Marshall and Coastal fails to acknowledge how good those teams are. And Troy is pretty good this year the last time I checked. Yea we 100% need to improve in some areas but to continually devalue every opponent on our schedule is pointless. And I was at that weird Covid Marshall game and ZT played awful. He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. A couple key turnovers and we lost. I understand in theory what what you are trying to say but you are simply picking and choosing games to fit your point. There are other games between that Marshall game and now where we looked good and picked up big wins. I know I’ll be accused of being too optimistic but I can live with that. This season has been weird to say the least and I’m pretty disappointed with the overall record, but I’ll reserve judgement of the program until after the season is over.

[ncman071]

This may be off the subject, but just wanted to speak on what I have seen this season. First of all App St football is not poop. Having said that, we have a QB with a world class arm and honestly just a terrific player. We don't utilize Chase as we should...seems like we only start airing it out when we get down as we did against Coastal. It's like we are running half an offense. Our offense has been predicated on a mobile qb in years past with a true RPO threat. We don't have that with Chase. But our coaches have not adapted our offense to fit Chase's true talents. We bring everybody in...run 2 tights...and try to run up the gut or around the edge and the problems with that are we are not running the ball well consistantly and our offensive line is built to be a mobile unit....they simply are not that line thats gonna guarantee to get that 1 or 2 yards on fourth and short. Which brings me to the point with SC. He has got to make better decisions on fourth down. Why we are going for it on fourth and short on our side of the 50 is mind boggling especially when it wasn't even the 4th qtr and we're only down 1 possession. I hate to say it but that loss was at least partially on that poor decision. I do like SC and hope he can right the ship. We have 3 games left...would be great to win all 3...but ...GaSouthern gonna be tough but its winnable...@ Marshall...i think its a 50/50 game...we'll see what happens. Theres still a lot to play for...a winning record in the conference and a bowl...winning out would be an amazing turnaround and I believe we have the talent to do it.