I am with you Coach Clark

[boonetodd]

The players are bad but the coaches do not make any adjustments mid game especially on defense. We are like swiss cheese. Holes everywhere. If some players read the board and want to transfer that probably isn't a bad thing. We also need to bring in size and quit trying to be small and fast. That does not work anymore. We get pushed around all over the field.

[Stonewall]

Just win. No excuses.

[NewApp]

I have been a season ticket holder since 2001 and if clark is still coach next year I won't be renewing. Its sad to see this great program falling to the levels we have this year. We aren't even competitive.

And if we run the table the next year, you'll be at home listening on WKBC or watching on a different cable package each week.

But you'll be hurting the program more than yourself.

What do you see that makes you think that is possible? We won’t even win 7 games in a year we were picked to win the Sun Belt this year so I have a hard time thinking it’s possible.

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Is this your first and only fan message board? It’s a place to make comments good or bad. Right now we suck so do you expect rah rah comments?

No. I'm just on a roll. Seldom post anymore. Just post when I'm triggered when we eat our own and we post nothing but negativity. Usually just read daze's, RichmondApp, Beau, Saint and co. posts to see when he posts about me then comes up with that butt hurt shiiit when I comment. It's all good. Takes the boredom out of watching paint dry.

[falcoapp]

I have been a season ticket holder since 2001 and if clark is still coach next year I won't be renewing. Its sad to see this great program falling to the levels we have this year. We aren't even competitive.

And if we run the table the next year, you'll be at home listening on WKBC or watching on a different cable package each week.

But you'll be hurting the program more than yourself.

What do you see that makes you think that is possible? We won’t even win 7 games in a year we were picked to win the Sun Belt this year so I have a hard time thinking it’s possible.

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Is this your first and only fan message board? It’s a place to make comments good or bad. Right now we suck so do you expect rah rah comments?

He's been around since the Delphi days. I think that was circa early 2000s. At least that's when I joined there.

[boonetodd]

DJ Campbell was the QB when I started following app football. I have seen some bad days and a lot of good ones. We are in a dangerous spot right now. Reputation is being completely tarnished by the ass beatings we are taking. We could become irrelevant very quickly if we don't address the problems.

[bcoach]

And if we run the table the next year, you'll be at home listening on WKBC or watching on a different cable package each week.

But you'll be hurting the program more than yourself.

What do you see that makes you think that is possible? We won’t even win 7 games in a year we were picked to win the Sun Belt this year so I have a hard time thinking it’s possible.

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Jerry had a real problem in that he had Laney as AD. The minute Laney left we won 3 titles. I think we would have won at least 2, maybe 3, prior to 2005 with a better AD. The doubts by fans and media are legit with our standard and how it has gone the last couple years.

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

If you had any idea...oh never mind.

[AppStFan1]

And if we run the table the next year, you'll be at home listening on WKBC or watching on a different cable package each week.

But you'll be hurting the program more than yourself.

What do you see that makes you think that is possible? We won’t even win 7 games in a year we were picked to win the Sun Belt this year so I have a hard time thinking it’s possible.

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Jerry had a real problem in that he had Laney as AD. The minute Laney left we won 3 titles. I think we would have won at least 2, maybe 3, prior to 2005 with a better AD. The doubts by fans and media are legit with our standard and how it has gone the last couple years.

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

[AppStFan1]

DJ Campbell was the QB when I started following app football. I have seen some bad days and a lot of good ones. We are in a dangerous spot right now. Reputation is being completely tarnished by the ass beatings we are taking. We could become irrelevant very quickly if we don't address the problems.

This and knowing recruiting for the 2026 class will take a huge hit is why I think Gillin, BOT, and Norris move on from him if we don't go on a big run to end this month and through November.

[AppStFan1]

I was told during a fundraiser that “this is our year” . I should have asked for clarification rather than assuming….

I heard that from multiple people as well. Shawn is 64%, which is solid, but when you consider where we were before he took over and the current trajectory that is the problem. When your best years are your first 2 and you are on a decline that is not the trend you look for. This team completely belongs to Shawn so it falls on him.

64% with 6-0 against FCS. They’re still wins, and other coaches had them too, but those definitely fluff the % a little.

Yes FCS count and others have them as well but my point is the trajectory. The last 3 years he is 17-14 (54.8%) and if you remove the 4 FCS wins he is 13-14 (48.1%) against FBS teams. If he was 17-14 in his 1st 3 seasons and won 9-10 games in season 4 and 5 that is a different story because he would be improving the team. The reality is we are seeing the same mistakes over and over, trajectory of wins are going down, and the bad news is we go into 2025 without a proven QB. We are 2-3 now with the preseason 1st team All-Sun Belt QB. What will we be like with a big downgrade at QB unless things change? I am pulling for Shawn to turn this around but I don't have any faith he can right now.

[NewApp]

And if we run the table the next year, you'll be at home listening on WKBC or watching on a different cable package each week.

But you'll be hurting the program more than yourself.

What do you see that makes you think that is possible? We won’t even win 7 games in a year we were picked to win the Sun Belt this year so I have a hard time thinking it’s possible.

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Is this your first and only fan message board? It’s a place to make comments good or bad. Right now we suck so do you expect rah rah comments?

He's been around since the Delphi days. I think that was circa early 2000s. At least that's when I joined there.

Actually before that on Phil's original board as app2949556.

[NewApp]

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

And lordy, do we have a staff now. Have you looked at our staff listing on the official sports site. Dozens and dozens. No one should be over worked.

[appdaze]

1998, straight from the pony's mouth.

[AppStFan1]

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

And lordy, do we have a staff now. Have you looked at our staff listing on the official sports site. Dozens and dozens. No one should be over worked.

A big problem we have is we have a bloated staff that we pay so little money so any good ones are going to bounce pretty quickly and the bad ones who can't move up the ladder will stay. I think we should consolidate many roles and instead of having 5 people do specific jobs making 50k we should turn that into 2 employees doing that jobs and pay them each 150k. We have to be more competitive with our pay and the only way we can is decrease staff size and pay each individual more with the money saved from downsizing staff numbers.

[NewApp]

Makes sense, AppStFan1. I'm for anything that can save money and relegate it to the athletes.

[boonetodd]

For Gods Sake keep politics off here.

[AppStFan1]

Makes sense, AppStFan1. I'm for anything that can save money and relegate it to the athletes.

All of them are getting paid from EA and about a dozen of them getting NIL from TIGMA, etc right now. I am not suggesting we save money with downsizing but suggesting we take that money and use it to hire very good people and retain them. We are paying a dozen players now and they are losing by double digits to everyone because we don't have the right people in control. We can pay players 1M a year but if they aren't that good and the staff is not any good then that is money wasted. I don't want to waste any money. If our QB is playing like Armanti Edwards then i am all for it but if they are throwing more picks than TDs or if our big money defender has 10 tackles with 0 TFLs and sacks through 5-6 games then I don't think we should keep throwing money at them.

[NewApp]

For Gods Sake keep politics off here.

OK. You're right. I normally do.

[GoBoone]

For Gods Sake keep politics off here.

Dang right and let Gerald Adams rest in peace.

[CharlotteApp05]

What do you see that makes you think that is possible? We won’t even win 7 games in a year we were picked to win the Sun Belt this year so I have a hard time thinking it’s possible.

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Jerry had a real problem in that he had Laney as AD. The minute Laney left we won 3 titles. I think we would have won at least 2, maybe 3, prior to 2005 with a better AD. The doubts by fans and media are legit with our standard and how it has gone the last couple years.

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

I was on the team in the Laney years. Not sure what the players do for Friday practice now before home games, but if you were on the practice field before or after practice and Laney saw you....You were an able body who instead of warming up or cooling down was then moving crap (soccer goals, track equipment, whatever) to get the facility ready for game day. I just stopped warming up on those days.

[AppinVA]

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Jerry had a real problem in that he had Laney as AD. The minute Laney left we won 3 titles. I think we would have won at least 2, maybe 3, prior to 2005 with a better AD. The doubts by fans and media are legit with our standard and how it has gone the last couple years.

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

I was on the team in the Laney years. Not sure what the players do for Friday practice now before home games, but if you were on the practice field before or after practice and Laney saw you....You were an able body who instead of warming up or cooling down was then moving crap (soccer goals, track equipment, whatever) to get the facility ready for game day. I just stopped warming up on those days.

Roach doubled as the cross-fit strength coach.