I am with you Coach Clark

[BallantyneApp]

Let’s say for argument sake that App all of a sudden had a massive (for our standards) influx of cash for NIL. Let’s also say that because of this new increased revenue stream that App can now “buy” 10 stud football players (or so we hope) and we also go out and get the new genius coach. We turn it on and go 11-2 (to include a Belt title!) but Boise goes 11-2 also and nabs the CFP slot. We head back to New Orleans and play Memphis. Great accomplishments indeed but we didn’t go any farther than in good years past. Other sports suffer because we pumped everything into football. Would that be worth it?

10000000000% YES! Those other sports cost us money while football draws money and success increases the pool of applicants into the school. Football is the window into your university. I would like to be good in other sports as well but none of them draw money or interest like football.

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

yes- we report to the Knight commission our ticket sales-donations and media contract. Football pays for itself.

[appgrad95&97]

Let’s say for argument sake that App all of a sudden had a massive (for our standards) influx of cash for NIL. Let’s also say that because of this new increased revenue stream that App can now “buy” 10 stud football players (or so we hope) and we also go out and get the new genius coach. We turn it on and go 11-2 (to include a Belt title!) but Boise goes 11-2 also and nabs the CFP slot. We head back to New Orleans and play Memphis. Great accomplishments indeed but we didn’t go any farther than in good years past. Other sports suffer because we pumped everything into football. Would that be worth it?

Do you think the problem with Florida is a lack of resources, NIL or otherwise? Do you think Indiana all of a sudden came into a fresh pile of cash? Personally, I think coaching really matters. Money can't paper over that for long (see Jimbo at A&M).

[bcoach]

Let’s say for argument sake that App all of a sudden had a massive (for our standards) influx of cash for NIL. Let’s also say that because of this new increased revenue stream that App can now “buy” 10 stud football players (or so we hope) and we also go out and get the new genius coach. We turn it on and go 11-2 (to include a Belt title!) but Boise goes 11-2 also and nabs the CFP slot. We head back to New Orleans and play Memphis. Great accomplishments indeed but we didn’t go any farther than in good years past. Other sports suffer because we pumped everything into football. Would that be worth it?

10000000000% YES! Those other sports cost us money while football draws money and success increases the pool of applicants into the school. Football is the window into your university. I would like to be good in other sports as well but none of them draw money or interest like football.

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

I would have to see the actual numbers but if we are going by that argument then we should get rid of all sports because not a single secondary sport does.

Well it was not an argument it was a question but I certainly don't agree with you on eliminating all sports. If football does in fact pay for it's self then I would be in favor of them doing that. Then the student fees could be devoted to the other sports. That would be a win-win.

[bcoach]

Let’s say for argument sake that App all of a sudden had a massive (for our standards) influx of cash for NIL. Let’s also say that because of this new increased revenue stream that App can now “buy” 10 stud football players (or so we hope) and we also go out and get the new genius coach. We turn it on and go 11-2 (to include a Belt title!) but Boise goes 11-2 also and nabs the CFP slot. We head back to New Orleans and play Memphis. Great accomplishments indeed but we didn’t go any farther than in good years past. Other sports suffer because we pumped everything into football. Would that be worth it?

10000000000% YES! Those other sports cost us money while football draws money and success increases the pool of applicants into the school. Football is the window into your university. I would like to be good in other sports as well but none of them draw money or interest like football.

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

yes- we report to the Knight commission our ticket sales-donations and media contract. Football pays for itself.

So it does not include student fees?

[AppStFan1]

Let’s say for argument sake that App all of a sudden had a massive (for our standards) influx of cash for NIL. Let’s also say that because of this new increased revenue stream that App can now “buy” 10 stud football players (or so we hope) and we also go out and get the new genius coach. We turn it on and go 11-2 (to include a Belt title!) but Boise goes 11-2 also and nabs the CFP slot. We head back to New Orleans and play Memphis. Great accomplishments indeed but we didn’t go any farther than in good years past. Other sports suffer because we pumped everything into football. Would that be worth it?

10000000000% YES! Those other sports cost us money while football draws money and success increases the pool of applicants into the school. Football is the window into your university. I would like to be good in other sports as well but none of them draw money or interest like football.

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

yes- we report to the Knight commission our ticket sales-donations and media contract. Football pays for itself.

I figured but did not know exact numbers. Thank you!

[AppStFan1]

Let’s say for argument sake that App all of a sudden had a massive (for our standards) influx of cash for NIL. Let’s also say that because of this new increased revenue stream that App can now “buy” 10 stud football players (or so we hope) and we also go out and get the new genius coach. We turn it on and go 11-2 (to include a Belt title!) but Boise goes 11-2 also and nabs the CFP slot. We head back to New Orleans and play Memphis. Great accomplishments indeed but we didn’t go any farther than in good years past. Other sports suffer because we pumped everything into football. Would that be worth it?

10000000000% YES! Those other sports cost us money while football draws money and success increases the pool of applicants into the school. Football is the window into your university. I would like to be good in other sports as well but none of them draw money or interest like football.

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

I would have to see the actual numbers but if we are going by that argument then we should get rid of all sports because not a single secondary sport does.

Well it was not an argument it was a question but I certainly don't agree with you on eliminating all sports. If football does in fact pay for it's self then I would be in favor of them doing that. Then the student fees could be devoted to the other sports. That would be a win-win.

I don't want to eliminate all sports. It appeared you were making an argument against football if they don't but it turns out it does. I want to have other sports but football is most important that we win with basketball and baseball next. If those 3 sports, along with wrestling and track due to history, I am fine with athletics.

[WASU 93]

Let’s say for argument sake that App all of a sudden had a massive (for our standards) influx of cash for NIL. Let’s also say that because of this new increased revenue stream that App can now “buy” 10 stud football players (or so we hope) and we also go out and get the new genius coach. We turn it on and go 11-2 (to include a Belt title!) but Boise goes 11-2 also and nabs the CFP slot. We head back to New Orleans and play Memphis. Great accomplishments indeed but we didn’t go any farther than in good years past. Other sports suffer because we pumped everything into football. Would that be worth it?

10000000000% YES! Those other sports cost us money while football draws money and success increases the pool of applicants into the school. Football is the window into your university. I would like to be good in other sports as well but none of them draw money or interest like football.

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

yes- we report to the Knight commission our ticket sales-donations and media contract. Football pays for itself.

So it does not include student fees?

Student Fees are 30% of our Athletic Department Revenue:
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/sun- ... university

Donor Contributions are 23%
Ticket Sales are 15%
Instutional/Government Support is 12%
Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football is 8%
Corporate Ads/Sponsorships and Licensing is 5%
Competition Guarantees are 5%

$46.47M in Revenue in 2023
$46.38M in Expenses in 2023

Compared to
$29.7M in Revenue in 2015
$30.65M in Expenses in 2015

[WASU 93]

We spend $3.697M on Football Coaching Salaries
The Sun Belt Median is $3.47M
The FBS Median is $7.147
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/sun- ... university

[AppSt91]

We spend $3.697M on Football Coaching Salaries
The Sun Belt Median is $3.47M
The FBS Median is $7.147
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/sun- ... university

Not getting our money’s worth.

[WASU 93]

UNC-Cheat. (28 sports vs. our 17)
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/acc/ ... l-hill2023
Revenue $139.35M

$48.86M Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football 35%. (App $3.66M)
$30M Ticket Sales 22%. (App $6.92M)
$21.63M Donor Contributions (16%). (App $10.52M)
$16.44M in Corporate Sponsorships 12%. (App $2.26M)
Student Fees 6%
Instutional/Government Support 5%

Football Coaching Salaries $14.46M

[BeauFoster]

UNC-Cheat. (28 sports vs. our 17)
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/acc/ ... l-hill2023
Revenue $139.35M

$48.86M Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football 35%. (App $3.66M)
$30M Ticket Sales 22%. (App $6.92M)
$21.63M Donor Contributions (16%). (App $10.52M)
$16.44M in Corporate Sponsorships 12%. (App $2.26M)
Student Fees 6%
Instutional/Government Support 5%

Football Coaching Salaries $14.46M

Just how in gods name does UNC have $30m in ticket sales? I know they have more seats, but not 5x. Either they charge double for every seat in the house, or there’s some odd math. Or both.

[hapapp]

UNC-Cheat. (28 sports vs. our 17)
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/acc/ ... l-hill2023
Revenue $139.35M

$48.86M Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football 35%. (App $3.66M)
$30M Ticket Sales 22%. (App $6.92M)
$21.63M Donor Contributions (16%). (App $10.52M)
$16.44M in Corporate Sponsorships 12%. (App $2.26M)
Student Fees 6%
Instutional/Government Support 5%

Football Coaching Salaries $14.46M

Just how in gods name does UNC have $30m in ticket sales? I know they have more seats, but not 5x. Either they charge double for every seat in the house, or there’s some odd math. Or both.

I assume that's all sports not just football.

[BeauFoster]

UNC-Cheat. (28 sports vs. our 17)
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/acc/ ... l-hill2023
Revenue $139.35M

$48.86M Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football 35%. (App $3.66M)
$30M Ticket Sales 22%. (App $6.92M)
$21.63M Donor Contributions (16%). (App $10.52M)
$16.44M in Corporate Sponsorships 12%. (App $2.26M)
Student Fees 6%
Instutional/Government Support 5%

Football Coaching Salaries $14.46M

Just how in gods name does UNC have $30m in ticket sales? I know they have more seats, but not 5x. Either they charge double for every seat in the house, or there’s some odd math. Or both.

I assume that's all sports not just football.

That makes much more sense.

[Bootsy]

Let's examine this through the "regular fan" lens (the majority) versus the "diehard fan" lens (the minority).

If the team is consistently competitive but loses games, regular fans are more understanding and willing to stick with the team. But if they aren't competitive, how many of these people will remain interested over the long run?

Here's an example in reverse: how much interest did regular fans have in App MBB before they won the SBC tourney a few years ago? Or even before last year's regular season title? Not that MBB has the following that football does, but very few really cared...outside of the diehard fanbase.

Will regular fans stay continue to remain engaged if the football team struggles?

[AppDawg]

10000000000% YES! Those other sports cost us money while football draws money and success increases the pool of applicants into the school. Football is the window into your university. I would like to be good in other sports as well but none of them draw money or interest like football.

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

yes- we report to the Knight commission our ticket sales-donations and media contract. Football pays for itself.

So it does not include student fees?

Student Fees are 30% of our Athletic Department Revenue:
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/sun- ... university

Donor Contributions are 23%
Ticket Sales are 15%
Instutional/Government Support is 12%
Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football is 8%
Corporate Ads/Sponsorships and Licensing is 5%
Competition Guarantees are 5%

$46.47M in Revenue in 2023
$46.38M in Expenses in 2023

Compared to
$29.7M in Revenue in 2015
$30.65M in Expenses in 2015

Correct on Student fees… $13.7M & 100% of that is needed to cover $13.7M in facilities debt. Our athletic department, much like the academic side of the university is over leveraged. It may all look pretty, and in places needed, but comes at a cost.

One of these things is not like the others:

Total Athletic Dept Debt

[BallantyneApp]

Hopefully we get our state handout like uncc did for expansion soon.

[bcoach]

10000000000% YES! Those other sports cost us money while football draws money and success increases the pool of applicants into the school. Football is the window into your university. I would like to be good in other sports as well but none of them draw money or interest like football.

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

yes- we report to the Knight commission our ticket sales-donations and media contract. Football pays for itself.

So it does not include student fees?

Student Fees are 30% of our Athletic Department Revenue:
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/sun- ... university

Donor Contributions are 23%
Ticket Sales are 15%
Instutional/Government Support is 12%
Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football is 8%
Corporate Ads/Sponsorships and Licensing is 5%
Competition Guarantees are 5%

$46.47M in Revenue in 2023
$46.38M in Expenses in 2023

Compared to
$29.7M in Revenue in 2015
$30.65M in Expenses in 2015

So, 42% of the revenue is not generated by football. That's fine but I keep hearing they pay for all the other sports and I was finding that hard to believe.

[WASU 93]

UNC-Cheat. (28 sports vs. our 17)
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/acc/ ... l-hill2023
Revenue $139.35M

$48.86M Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football 35%. (App $3.66M)
$30M Ticket Sales 22%. (App $6.92M)
$21.63M Donor Contributions (16%). (App $10.52M)
$16.44M in Corporate Sponsorships 12%. (App $2.26M)
Student Fees 6%
Instutional/Government Support 5%

Football Coaching Salaries $14.46M

Just how in gods name does UNC have $30m in ticket sales? I know they have more seats, but not 5x. Either they charge double for every seat in the house, or there’s some odd math. Or both.

I assume that's all sports not just football.

That is correct. If you haven't spent the time, click the links to the Knight Commission. It is easy to understand and eye-opening when you see the difference between G5 and P4. Especially when you get to the SEC.

[appgrad95&97]

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

yes- we report to the Knight commission our ticket sales-donations and media contract. Football pays for itself.

So it does not include student fees?

Student Fees are 30% of our Athletic Department Revenue:
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/sun- ... university

Donor Contributions are 23%
Ticket Sales are 15%
Instutional/Government Support is 12%
Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football is 8%
Corporate Ads/Sponsorships and Licensing is 5%
Competition Guarantees are 5%

$46.47M in Revenue in 2023
$46.38M in Expenses in 2023

Compared to
$29.7M in Revenue in 2015
$30.65M in Expenses in 2015

Correct on Student fees… $13.7M & 100% of that is needed to cover $13.7M in facilities debt. Our athletic department, much like the academic side of the university is over leveraged. It may all look pretty, and in places needed, but comes at a cost.

One of these things is not like the others:

Total Athletic Dept Debt

"Fully funded" will never get old.

[WASU 93]

Honest question. Does football presently pay for it's self ?

yes- we report to the Knight commission our ticket sales-donations and media contract. Football pays for itself.

So it does not include student fees?

Student Fees are 30% of our Athletic Department Revenue:
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/sun- ... university

Donor Contributions are 23%
Ticket Sales are 15%
Instutional/Government Support is 12%
Conference/NCAA Distributions/Media Rights/Post-Season Football is 8%
Corporate Ads/Sponsorships and Licensing is 5%
Competition Guarantees are 5%

$46.47M in Revenue in 2023
$46.38M in Expenses in 2023

Compared to
$29.7M in Revenue in 2015
$30.65M in Expenses in 2015

So, 42% of the revenue is not generated by football. That's fine but I keep hearing they pay for all the other sports and I was finding that hard to believe.

Total Football spending is $13.62M for 2023
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/sun- ... university

So, if Football is responsible for 70% (blind guess) of the Corporate Sponsorships, Donor Contributions, Ticket Sales and NCAA/Conference/Football Post-Season Distributions--That Revenue is $16.4M. Add another $1M for Competition Guarantees - what we pay out in Competition Guarantees and Football is definitely self-sustaining/turning a profit for the athletic department.

There's also the intangible that it draws more students than likely all other sports combined (with Men's basketball making profit), so it makes the student fees palatable.