Boise and 3 others to the Pac 12.

[spacemonkey]

There is no p5/G5 in CFP....it is the top 5 highest ranked champion. It could be
SBC, MWC, AAC, ACC and Pac8 champions.

The P5/G5 only has to do with voting power.

[appdaze]

There is no p5/G5 in CFP....it is the top 5 highest ranked champion. It could be
SBC, MWC, AAC, ACC and Pac8 champions.

The P5/G5 only has to do with voting power.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/spor ... ormat.aspx

"The 12 participating teams will be the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee, plus the next seven highest-ranked teams."

It is completely biased based on the committee, not rankings like you might think. If they deem all P5s to be the highest, which 90% of years they will, then they will get the 5 bids. The whole CFP process is just based on the opinions of a small committee. I posted a breakdown of the process a while back. It isn't much of a statistical representation of the best teams as it is mostly the eye test and bias of the committee members. So, while there may not technically be a P5 and G5 on paper, it is 100% part of the bias of the whole operation.



Edit:
Here we go. The link I posted before.
https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... cess-works

"1. The first list
To start, every College Football Playoff selection committee member creates a master list of the 30 teams they think are the best in the country.
The committee will give consideration to any team that three or more members add to their lists.
At the end of any round of selections, members can add other teams to the group, provided at least three or more members agree.
Each successive round consists of two steps: "listing," and "ranking.""

This is literally some dudes throwing out lists until stuff matches. This might as well be Joe, Bob, and Bart sitting around at the bar filling out lists and comparing them until they have a top 30. Nothing scientific about it. So again, no G5 or P5 designations technically, but it 100% influences what they do.

[Stonewall]

G6

[spacemonkey]

The next big controversy/dilemma in college football is going to be the conference championship games at the G5 level. Lets say App and Texas St. make the conference championship. (Which I think will happen). App has lost two games and Texas State is undefeated (Which I think will happen). The Conference REFs and the powers that be will have a $$$BIG$$$ vested interest in making sure the higher rated team wins.

[AppStFan1]

I’m not sure that’s the case as the 5 highest ranked conference champs get the auto, with the top 4 getting the byes. The top G5 champ still can get in and this new PAC with whoever they add isn’t going to elevate them to a loftier status. Boise is still Boise and is probably better than any of the other members on a consistent basis. But no one else is an entity that I would P5 quality.

Completely and totally disagree. The MWC was already at or near the top G5 football conference as it is. Now you add two legitimate power conference schools and their bankrolls which will exceed all other G5s, and that spot will be theirs to lose each year. You think much less of OSU and WSU than I do, clearly.

The only way the rest of us have a shot at it is to go undefeated each year and hope they beat each other up. But make no mistake, any 0-2 loss team from that conference will take that bid with relative ease.

To be completely honest, it is way too early to draw any conclusions one way or another.

Agreed. App and a few SBC schools could currently be working on an alliance with some AAC schools or even PAC12 schools to merge and form a really good league. If it is big enough and you have a full east so we only go out west for 1 game in regular season or for conference title game it could be a really good situation for us. There are a lot of dominoes to fall. I think we will see more moves over the next 15-18 months.

You could theoretically take the top 6 Belt and top 6 AAC schools and easily rival whatever the new PAC 12 is. Question is would App make that top 6? We don’t bring the TV piece and just because we see ourselves at a certain level the powers that be might not. JMU, Marshall, Coastal, a Ga team and maybe La would get serious consideration considering the footprint. I would hate for us to get relegated to a glorified FCS again.

I like that idea as well and I think App would absolutely make it. If you made a 14 team league from the best of the AAC and SBC this is who I would pick. As you can see I am taking some

App State
Army
East Carolina
James Madison
Marshall
Memphis
Navy
Rice
South Florida
Southern Miss
Texas State
Troy
Tulane
UTSA

[Mjohn1988]

I’m not sure that’s the case as the 5 highest ranked conference champs get the auto, with the top 4 getting the byes. The top G5 champ still can get in and this new PAC with whoever they add isn’t going to elevate them to a loftier status. Boise is still Boise and is probably better than any of the other members on a consistent basis. But no one else is an entity that I would P5 quality.

Completely and totally disagree. The MWC was already at or near the top G5 football conference as it is. Now you add two legitimate power conference schools and their bankrolls which will exceed all other G5s, and that spot will be theirs to lose each year. You think much less of OSU and WSU than I do, clearly.

The only way the rest of us have a shot at it is to go undefeated each year and hope they beat each other up. But make no mistake, any 0-2 loss team from that conference will take that bid with relative ease.

To be completely honest, it is way too early to draw any conclusions one way or another.

Agreed. App and a few SBC schools could currently be working on an alliance with some AAC schools or even PAC12 schools to merge and form a really good league. If it is big enough and you have a full east so we only go out west for 1 game in regular season or for conference title game it could be a really good situation for us. There are a lot of dominoes to fall. I think we will see more moves over the next 15-18 months.

You could theoretically take the top 6 Belt and top 6 AAC schools and easily rival whatever the new PAC 12 is. Question is would App make that top 6? We don’t bring the TV piece and just because we see ourselves at a certain level the powers that be might not. JMU, Marshall, Coastal, a Ga team and maybe La would get serious consideration considering the footprint. I would hate for us to get relegated to a glorified FCS again.

It maybe there but is there really evidence that any of the teams you mentioned draw more eyes to TV than App does? I get the geography of it all but I’m not so sure that matters so much anymore. I sure looks like the marketing folks think the geography matters but I think numbers would show they got it wrong with UNCC. No way I believe they draw more eyes than App. Same with GA State.

[AppStFan1]

Completely and totally disagree. The MWC was already at or near the top G5 football conference as it is. Now you add two legitimate power conference schools and their bankrolls which will exceed all other G5s, and that spot will be theirs to lose each year. You think much less of OSU and WSU than I do, clearly.

The only way the rest of us have a shot at it is to go undefeated each year and hope they beat each other up. But make no mistake, any 0-2 loss team from that conference will take that bid with relative ease.

To be completely honest, it is way too early to draw any conclusions one way or another.

Agreed. App and a few SBC schools could currently be working on an alliance with some AAC schools or even PAC12 schools to merge and form a really good league. If it is big enough and you have a full east so we only go out west for 1 game in regular season or for conference title game it could be a really good situation for us. There are a lot of dominoes to fall. I think we will see more moves over the next 15-18 months.

You could theoretically take the top 6 Belt and top 6 AAC schools and easily rival whatever the new PAC 12 is. Question is would App make that top 6? We don’t bring the TV piece and just because we see ourselves at a certain level the powers that be might not. JMU, Marshall, Coastal, a Ga team and maybe La would get serious consideration considering the footprint. I would hate for us to get relegated to a glorified FCS again.

It maybe there but is there really evidence that any of the teams you mentioned draw more eyes to TV than App does? I get the geography of it all but I’m not so sure that matters so much anymore. I sure looks like the marketing folks think the geography matters but I think numbers would show they got it wrong with UNCC. No way I believe they draw more eyes than App. Same with GA State.

I am of the same thought. TV market sounds like it would effect eyeballs but it is not directly correlated. If that was the case then Georgia State would attract the most interest of any Sun Belt school and they don't.

[ah59396]

For those saying this new PAC wouldn’t be a big deal, I saw this posted elsewhere, should the PAC6 gobble Memphis and Tulane as many expect. YES, this is one year, but the gap is substantial. Will take a miracle for a G5 team to get an autobid if this happens.



Median Massey FB rankings current:

SBC (95.5)
AAC 2.0 (95.5)
MWC 2.0 (103.5)
MAC (110.5)
CUSA 4.0 (115.5)

Six Pac with Memphis/Tulane for 8:

PAC-8 (46)
SBC (95.5)
AAC 3.0 (102.5)
MWC 3.0 (106.5)
MAC (110.5)
CUSA 4.0 (115.5)


And how the new PAC8 would look compared to the current P4:

SEC (23)
XII (35.5)
B1G (36)
ACC (43)
PAC (46)

[Saint3333]

This is about getting the last CFP spot. What's the appetite from our fanbase increasing our likelihood of increasing revenue as the clear the 5th conference if we selected the six best football programs?

[ah59396]

I am absolutely going to be that message board guy and start a totally unfounded rumor that the PAC is going to have an east and west division.

And the East will be the 6 strongest G5 programs they can grab.

Tulane
Memphis
App State
USF
Liberty
JMU/Marshall/ECU

We play the 5 in our division every year and at worst have to travel west 2x a year to:

Washington State
Oregon State
Boise State
San Diego State
Colorado State
Fresno State


I will see you all in fantasy land. Sign me up immediately.

[Stonewall]

Gill is rallying the troops , anticipating trickle down. Lose a couple? Gain a few?

[Saint3333]

Love DG on the chess board. Masterclass last round. Let him cook!

[Stonewall]

Not sure I follow.